mfbukowski Posted June 25, 2012 Posted June 25, 2012 (edited) After some help doing research on this, which I am totally terrible at, the help graciously provided by a fellow poster here who shall remain anonymous unless he/she wants to acknowledge the effort, I have come to the following conclusion:I think that the initial leak was probably delivered somehow to Kevin Graham, who then leaked it to Scratch on the other board.I have no special information on this- just looking in detail at threads on the other board. It is not that I am being all mysterious it is just that we are not supposed to link to posts over there, and even though there appear to be ways of doing it on the sly, I am probably already on the mods bad side here anyway.But the first inkling of this was clearly from Kevin Graham, who on June 15th just posted about the possibility of some "changes" to be, and then Scratch, the "malevolent stalker", on June 16th started the thread which finally broke the story which he claimed came from one of his "sources".It's all there for the finding if you don't mind wading around in the muck to dig it out, as my friendly poster did for me. Edited June 25, 2012 by mfbukowski 2
USU78 Posted June 25, 2012 Posted June 25, 2012 When Craig Jessop was dismissed as director of the MoTabs after President Hinckley died (they let him resign, but made it clear his authority was being so curtailed that continuing was unthinkable), there was no mention of any cause or reason.He shortly thereafter gets a plum job at USU, heading up the music and theater departments.The money was probably a bit better, though the continued notariety suffered a bit.All in all, not a bad deal.It may be that our favorite Professor Doktor is now facing a similar uptick in his life.I certainly hope this turns out to be the case.And shame on those miserable bureaucrats at yBu, living fairly high on the backs of the Phillipina widows whose mites fund their salaries. A pox on all their houses! 1
Matthew J. Tandy Posted June 25, 2012 Posted June 25, 2012 I think that the initial leak was probably delivered somehow to Kevin Graham, who then leaked it to Scratch on the other board.Even if that were true, that would hardly make Kevin the "leak". Once he had the info from somewhere else, then that would seem to make him not the leak. Accusing Kevin of passing on info he received is pointless. I suppose you could use it to limit the number of people who could be the mole, but even that would be tenuous at best.
John Ping Pong Posted June 25, 2012 Posted June 25, 2012 I expect the leaker is somebody who values John Dehlin more than Daniel Peterson.And his job less than either. 1
Somebodyz Posted June 25, 2012 Posted June 25, 2012 I think that the initial leak was probably delivered somehow to Kevin Graham, who then leaked it to Scratch on the other board.I read the same over there a day or so ago. Still doesn't tell us who the leaker is. Just says something about those who passed it on and posted it.I hope those at MI find the leaker and deal with him/her. It would be horrid to see a witch hunt start or innocent people accused. 1
ERayR Posted June 25, 2012 Posted June 25, 2012 I read the same over there a day or so ago. Still doesn't tell us who the leaker is. Just says something about those who passed it on and posted it.I hope those at MI find the leaker and deal with him/her. It would be horrid to see a witch hunt start or innocent people accused.Don't you understand the 2nd thing that takes place is to blame the innocent.
Somebodyz Posted June 25, 2012 Posted June 25, 2012 I expect the leaker is somebody who values John Dehlin more than Daniel Peterson.And his job less than either.Doubt it has much to do with Dehlin, think he's been over rated in all this. Seems someones been leaking for sometime before Dehlin decided he embraced censorship.
John Ping Pong Posted June 25, 2012 Posted June 25, 2012 Don't you understand the 2nd thing that takes place is to blame the innocent.I believe the monsters are due on Maple Street.
Chris Smith Posted June 25, 2012 Posted June 25, 2012 No, mfb. The first to post about it was apparently Dr. Scratch himself on the 14th. See the chronology here: http://www.clobberblog.com/
Pahoran Posted June 25, 2012 Posted June 25, 2012 Even if that were true, that would hardly make Kevin the "leak". Once he had the info from somewhere else, then that would seem to make him not the leak. Accusing Kevin of passing on info he received is pointless. I suppose you could use it to limit the number of people who could be the mole, but even that would be tenuous at best.I agree that Mr Graham is certainly not the mole. The mole, by definition, is someone inside the Institute who is feeding information to someone outside.But if Mr Graham is indeed the outside point of contact -- and he would certainly not be restrained by anything as irrelevant as moral scruples from disseminating information unethically given to him -- then that might help to narrow the list of suspects. Because he has frequently bragged about the "Mormon apologists" he counts as "friends." Although the expression "useful idiots" might be more apropos.But I agree that a witch hunt is absolutely not what anyone wants (with the possible exception of Graham and his cronies) so I hope that Dr Bradford moves swiftly, courageously and decisively to deal with the mole.Maybe he'll start by arranging for him/her to take an overseas trip....Regards,Pahoran
mfbukowski Posted June 25, 2012 Author Posted June 25, 2012 And shame on those miserable bureaucrats at yBu, living fairly high on the backs of the Phillipina widows whose mites fund their salaries. A pox on all their houses!I think I am really beginning to understand your point. At first I just figured you were totally devoted to your alma mater, but I am beginning to see the conflicts in using church funds to support academic political squabbling.
Calm Posted June 25, 2012 Posted June 25, 2012 Maybe he'll start by arranging for him/her to take an overseas trip....There needs to be a 'snort' smilie. 1
mfbukowski Posted June 25, 2012 Author Posted June 25, 2012 Even if that were true, that would hardly make Kevin the "leak". Once he had the info from somewhere else, then that would seem to make him not the leak. Accusing Kevin of passing on info he received is pointless. I suppose you could use it to limit the number of people who could be the mole, but even that would be tenuous at best.Yes, that was only speculation on my part- but he WAS the first to post about it as far as I can tell. The fact is that he obviously knew something before the story broke and even before the full leak.But of course there is no way of knowing if he had possession of the letters, he might have just heard it "through the grapevine"Darn good grapevine though....
mfbukowski Posted June 25, 2012 Author Posted June 25, 2012 (edited) No, mfb. The first to post about it was apparently Dr. Scratch himself on the 14th. See the chronology here: http://www.clobberblog.com/GREAT find- thanks- I stand corrected. (actually I sit corrected, but you know what I mean) According to that, SCRATCH KNEW BEFORE THE EMAIL WAS SENT TO DCPUh oh. Edited June 25, 2012 by mfbukowski
Nemesis Posted June 25, 2012 Posted June 25, 2012 There needs to be a 'snort' smilie.This was the best I could do with out using a smiley with drug refrences. Nemesis
Tacenda Posted June 25, 2012 Posted June 25, 2012 GREAT find- thanks- I stand corrected. (actually I sit corrected, but you know what I mean) According to that, SCRATCH KNEW BEFORE THE EMAIL WAS SENT TO DCPUh oh.I feel as if I'm watching a group of you playing Clue, love it. 1
mfbukowski Posted June 25, 2012 Author Posted June 25, 2012 This was the best I could do with out using a smiley with drug refrences. NemesisGee Cal you sure get instant results around here
mfbukowski Posted June 25, 2012 Author Posted June 25, 2012 I feel as if I'm watching a group of you playing Clue, love it.Well it is a bit more serious than that. Even in the early posts, there was talk about taking them down for fear of possible prosecution. Fortunately it is a little late now for them to do that. In fact one poster over there was concerned that his screen name would be seen as a sock puppet for Scratch- and he did not want to be implicated if it all turned out to be a hoax.
Matthew J. Tandy Posted June 25, 2012 Posted June 25, 2012 GREAT find- thanks- I stand corrected. (actually I sit corrected, but you know what I mean) According to that, SCRATCH KNEW BEFORE THE EMAIL WAS SENT TO DCPUh oh.Now THAT, if correct, is especially interesting. That would mean they would have to be in close contact with Brother Bradford.
Somebodyz Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Maybe it wasn't a leak but a hack.Bad writer? Horse? must of been the 'bad' writer.
Somebodyz Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Hey let's remember we are not here to directly accuse anyone of anything- all I want to do is look at the evidence.Evidence is one thing and the explanation of the evidence is totally different- so please everyone hedge your language accordingly. Just the facts as you can show them PLEASEIF it is true that Scratch knew before the email was sent to DCP, (THAT IS AN "IF") can anyone think of an explanation which takes Bradford off the hook?We already have one- his computer was hacked.Maybe he shared the email with others, to get their opinion, before sending it to DCP. 2
mfbukowski Posted June 26, 2012 Author Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) Maybe he shared the email with others, to get their opinion, before sending it to DCP.Quite possible, and I think even likely Edited June 26, 2012 by mfbukowski
Popular Post Somebodyz Posted June 26, 2012 Popular Post Posted June 26, 2012 Quite possible, and I think even likelySo give me a thumbs up, I'm not likely to get many of them. 5
jwhitlock Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Hey let's remember we are not here to directly accuse anyone of anything- all I want to do is look at the evidence.And we certainly do not want to accuse fellow posters of saying things they did not say- as you have done hereEvidence is one thing and the explanation of the evidence is totally different- so please everyone hedge your language accordingly. Just the facts as you can show them PLEASEIF it is true that Scratch knew before the email was sent to DCP, (THAT IS AN "IF") can anyone think of an explanation which takes Bradford off the hook?We already have one- his computer was hacked.This is an interesting possibility. There may not be a mole, actually, in the department itself. Since quite a bit of correspondence is done electronically at the MI, it is possible that one or more computers there have been compromised and that someone has been monitoring communications for quite some time. Academics are notoriously lax when it comes to computer security. I could probably think of a couple of different ways to get malware on the computers there.If I were unsure of how this got leaked, I'd be having someone come in and do a full security audit on the computers there.
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