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Again, this is a topic posed by my husband, which is not original but I believe one posed by the Tanner's. However I enjoyed researching the first so let's continue:

During Jesus' ministry He spoke of His church as something in the future. However, the Book of Mormon claims the Christian church was established as early as 147 B.C.

Matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

However, the Book of Mormon claims the Christian church was established as early as 147 B.C.

Mosiah 18:17 And they were called the church of God, or the church of Christ, from that time forward. And it came to pass that whosoever was baptized by the power and authority of God was added to his church.

So I believe this is essentially the same question as question number 1 posted 2/20. I believe this question is essentially asking about knowledge of Christ prior to his birth and ministry. Do you see anything else?

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The Church of Jesus Christ has existed since Adam and Eve were in Eden.

That to which Christ referred in Matt 16 was a restoration of the Church after His future resurrection, but that did not preclude its having existed in the past.

Furthermore, His church among the Nephites was separate from that in the Old Testament lands. Each had its own structure/organization and leadership. The Nephites, since He would be born elsewhere, would be unaffected by His mortal life and then to eliminate the crucifixion and so prevent the Atonement. They could know His name and receive His Gospel without interfering with the Plan of Salvation, which the Jews, had they the greater information accorded the Nephites, might have done.

Since the Church of Jesus Christ is not limited to a specific time and place, and since it can exist simultaneously in different parts of the world (as long as communications and travel don't create conflicts, as they would today), there can be two (or more) valid churches, or none at all. This latter event is not uncommon, as we saw after John (in the old Wrold) and Moroni (in America) were no longer available to run the Church and before Joseph Smith re-established it in 1830.

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Again, this is a topic posed by my husband, which is not original but I believe one posed by the Tanner's. However I enjoyed researching the first so let's continue:

During Jesus' ministry He spoke of His church as something in the future. However, the Book of Mormon claims the Christian church was established as early as 147 B.C.

Matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

However, the Book of Mormon claims the Christian church was established as early as 147 B.C.

Mosiah 18:17 And they were called the church of God, or the church of Christ, from that time forward. And it came to pass that whosoever was baptized by the power and authority of God was added to his church.

So I believe this is essentially the same question as question number 1 posted 2/20. I believe this question is essentially asking about knowledge of Christ prior to his birth and ministry. Do you see anything else?

Prophets from Adam on have always known Christ would come. The OT is filled with examples.

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Two concepts get mixed up in modern religion. One is a set of people who share common beliefs. The second is a formal organization to house those with such beliefs. The Hebrew religion was inherently social. The government and the religion really couldn't be separated. There was no "church" in terms of an organization that had adherents. Even the nature of the religion was social. That is underlying meaning of the ekklesia (translated church) in the New Testament. The formal organization necessarily came after. Prior to that time, it was a community of people sharing a belief. That social religion is precisely what we find in the Book of Mormon, even though the word "church" is used in the translation. There is really no contradiction between the Book of Mormon and the Bible on this point. What there is, is a misunderstanding of what "church" means and what led to that translation in the Book of Mormon.

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Again, this is a topic posed by my husband, which is not original but I believe one posed by the Tanner's. However I enjoyed researching the first so let's continue:

During Jesus' ministry He spoke of His church as something in the future. However, the Book of Mormon claims the Christian church was established as early as 147 B.C.

Yep, direct quote from the UTLM site. Not a bad site to collect criticisms from. ;)
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Again, this is a topic posed by my husband, which is not original but I believe one posed by the Tanner's. However I enjoyed researching the first so let's continue:

During Jesus' ministry He spoke of His church as something in the future. However, the Book of Mormon claims the Christian church was established as early as 147 B.C.

Matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

However, the Book of Mormon claims the Christian church was established as early as 147 B.C.

Mosiah 18:17 And they were called the church of God, or the church of Christ, from that time forward. And it came to pass that whosoever was baptized by the power and authority of God was added to his church.

So I believe this is essentially the same question as question number 1 posted 2/20. I believe this question is essentially asking about knowledge of Christ prior to his birth and ministry. Do you see anything else?

If one of your lead off threads is written this way and by your screen name...I am guessing you have more than a passing interest.

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If one of your lead off threads is written this way and by your screen name...I am guessing you have more than a passing interest.

You need to read her history. She definitely has a very strong interest for good reasons.

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I thought from the title this would be a polygamy thread.

No, no. The "Number 2" modifies the word "question," not the word "husband." ;):D

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