inquiringmind Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) Has anyone here ever seen any real evidence of the supernatural?Has anyone had an NDE?Does anyone know if the AWARE study has had any positive results yet? Edited July 16, 2011 by inquiringmind Link to comment
LeSellers Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Has anyone here ever seen any real evidence of the supernatural?It depends on your definitions of "real evidence" and "supernatural". By my understanding, I have. You may not agree. Please don't bother to ask. I am not inclined to divulge what I consider sacred. You, personally may not scoff, but others may very well do so, and I choose to hold these experiences sacred to me and to my family. Has anyone had an NDE?Yes, but not me. Lehi Link to comment
inquiringmind Posted July 16, 2011 Author Share Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) Thank you Lehi, but I didn't ask if anyone had a real spiiritual experience,I asked if anyone (here) has seen any real, hard, evisence of the supernatural."Supernatural" as in without a natural explaination, "seen" as in seeing with the eyes,real (hard) "evidence" as in "the fleece was wet, but the ground around it was dry, "water came out of the rock," "I saw and heard everything that was going on around me when I flatlined, and the doctors and nurses corroberated the details."That kind of thing.Has anyone here had that kind of experience?Also--has anyone heard of the AWARE (Awareness while under Resucitation) study, and does anyone know if any preliminary findigs have been released yet? Edited July 16, 2011 by inquiringmind Link to comment
frankenstein Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Thank you Kehi, but I didn't ask if anyone had a real spiiritual experience,I asked if anyone (here) has seen any real, hard, evisence of the supernatural."Supernatural" as in without a natural explaination, "seen" as in seeing with the eyes,real (hard) "evidence" as in "the fleece was wet, but the ground around it was dry, "water came out of the rock," "I saw and heard everything that was going on around me when I flatlined, and the doctors and nurses corroberated the details."That kind of thing.Has anyone here had that kind of experience?Yep, to sum it up, intent and momentum were in one direction but travel occurred in a opposite direction, and we found what we were looking for. Link to comment
Mike Richards Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Has anyone here ever seen any real evidence of the supernatural?Has anyone had an NDE?Does anyone know if the AWARE study has had any positive results yet?In my experience discussing supernatural events with people, those who are disinclined to believe in such things are always able to find a natural explanation (and often mock those who believe the events are from God). While I have had or have received personal information about many supernatural experiences, I'm disinclined to discuss them for the same reason Lehi mentioned. Link to comment
inquiringmind Posted July 16, 2011 Author Share Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) In my experience discussing supernatural events with people, those who are disinclined to believe in such things are always able to find a natural explanation (and often mock those who believe the events are from God). While I have had or have received personal information about many supernatural experiences, I'm disinclined to discuss them for the same reason Lehi mentioned.I believe Gideon hid the fleece, and found it wet with dew in the morning (with the ground surounding it bone dry.)I believe the ground was wet, and the fleece was dry on the following morning.I even believe that water came out of a rock.I am not disinclined to believe in the supernatural.But while I believe these things, I'd be lying if I said I never doubted them, and I was wondering if anyone here can truly say they've really seen such things today?Anyone? Edited July 16, 2011 by inquiringmind Link to comment
Mute Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Closest thing I have had is sleep paralysis. Not sure if that counts. Link to comment
smac97 Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Has anyone here ever seen any real evidence of the supernatural?Yes.Has anyone had an NDE?Not personally.-Smac Link to comment
TAO Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) Has anyone here ever seen any real evidence of the supernatural?Yes. Although I prefer not to talk of it. Like Lehi said... it is sacred. =)It is not unexplainable, of course... but I believe it. =)Has anyone had an NDE?Nah, not me.Does anyone know if the AWARE study has had any positive results yet?I do not know, sorry =/.Soft Wishes,TAO Edited July 16, 2011 by TAO Link to comment
katherine the great Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Has anyone here ever seen any real evidence of the supernatural?My mom saw her guardian angel once. Does that count? She's also extremely left brained and tends to rely a lot on logic so it was quite a life altering experience for her. Link to comment
Duncan Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Has anyone here ever seen any real evidence of the supernatural?Has anyone had an NDE?Does anyone know if the AWARE study has had any positive results yet?never had any near death experiences but currently undergoing a near life experience. I WISH I had some kind of super natural experience. I actually feel left sometimes at Church when people share stuff, like what my deceased relatives aren't good enough to come for a visit? we have family secrets that I would love to know but seemingly when I sleep or go to the Temple I get bupkus from the other side. Link to comment
Ron Beron Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Has anyone here ever seen any real evidence of the supernatural?Has anyone had an NDE?Does anyone know if the AWARE study has had any positive results yet?You might do well to watch "Through the Worm Hole" on the Science Channel. http://science.discovery.com/tv/through-the-wormhole/ Link to comment
Robert F. Smith Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Has anyone here ever seen any real evidence of the supernatural?Has anyone had an NDE?Does anyone know if the AWARE study has had any positive results yet?The concept of "supernatural" is foreign to Mormon theology, since it opts for an entirely natural universe and a natural God. A better term might be preternatural.The NDE literature is vast, from the early account by psychiatrist Raymond Moody of his own NDE experience through the deep research by organizations such as the Menninger Foundation (I have attended lectures on NDE by Drs. Gabbard, Twemlow, and Green), and current efforts to explain it all away via entirely naturalistic, brain-centered phenomena. You would be well advised to study that literature.My best friend had an extraordinary NDE (actual death and bodily reentry, from his POV), but I am not free to describe it. However, Hugh Nibley publicly explained his own NDE on several occasions, including in his 1985 "Faith of an Observer" film, available on DVD and HERE. Link to comment
Ron Beron Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 The concept of "supernatural" is foreign to Mormon theology, since it opts for an entirely natural universe and a natural God. A better term might be preternatural.The NDE literature is vast, from the early account by psychiatrist Raymond Moody of his own NDE experience through the deep research by organizations such as the Menninger Foundation (I have attended lectures on NDE by Drs. Gabbard, Twemlow, and Green), and current efforts to explain it all away via entirely naturalistic, brain-centered phenomena. You would be well advised to study that literature.My best friend had an extraordinary NDE (actual death and bodily reentry, from his POV), but I am not free to describe it. However, Hugh Nibley publicly explained his own NDE on several occasions, including in his 1985 "Faith of an Observer" film, available on DVD and HERE.I remember Nibley using the term, "supernature". Stuff we simply do not have the sophistication to understand. Link to comment
Robert F. Smith Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 I remember Nibley using the term, "supernature". Stuff we simply do not have the sophistication to understand.Yes, of course, and most of us use such inexact terminology every day. However, strictly speaking "supernatural" is based on logical and philosophical assumptions which are incompatible with Mormonism. Link to comment
TAO Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) never had any near death experiences but currently undergoing a near life experience. I WISH I had some kind of super natural experience. I actually feel left sometimes at Church when people share stuff, like what my deceased relatives aren't good enough to come for a visit? we have family secrets that I would love to know but seemingly when I sleep or go to the Temple I get bupkus from the other side.Duncan... wait patiently, my friend... God will show it to you when he wills it... it will be the right moment =).Keep going in faith... and I am sure it will happen if he wills it (which is between you and him). Edited July 16, 2011 by TAO Link to comment
TAO Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 I also have met someone who has not had persay a 'NDE' experience... but has had something similar. Link to comment
inquiringmind Posted July 16, 2011 Author Share Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) Yes, of course, and most of us use such inexact terminology every day. However, strictly speaking "supernatural" is based on logical and philosophical assumptions which are incompatible with Mormonism..I'm talking about things that clearly suggest there's more to this universe than can be explained by scientific theories that exclude God, angels, spirits, etc., and I don't really care whether you call it supernatural or preternatural. Edited July 16, 2011 by inquiringmind Link to comment
inquiringmind Posted July 16, 2011 Author Share Posted July 16, 2011 My mom saw her guardian angel once. Does that count? She's also extremely left brained and tends to rely a lot on logic so it was quite a life altering experience for her.Yes! Especially if she's logic oriented, with no psychiatric history.Thank you?May I ask how she knew it was an angel? Link to comment
inquiringmind Posted July 16, 2011 Author Share Posted July 16, 2011 never had any near death experiences but currently undergoing a near life experience. I WISH I had some kind of super natural experience. I actually feel left sometimes at Church when people share stuff, like what my deceased relatives aren't good enough to come for a visit? we have family secrets that I would love to know but seemingly when I sleep or go to the Temple I get bupkus from the other side.Our neighbor had a wife he says died hard.He says that three months later, he was stiring a cup of cofee, thinking about her, and hoping she's alright now, when he saw her standing in the kitchen.I wish I could see my Mom like that, know that the ICU wasn't the end of her, and know that she's o.k. now (but I suspect I'm not good enough to receive that kind of blessing.) Link to comment
inquiringmind Posted July 16, 2011 Author Share Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) The concept of "supernatural" is foreign to Mormon theology, since it opts for an entirely natural universe and a natural God. A better term might be preternatural.The NDE literature is vast, from the early account by psychiatrist Raymond Moody of his own NDE experience through the deep research by organizations such as the Menninger Foundation (I have attended lectures on NDE by Drs. Gabbard, Twemlow, and Green), and current efforts to explain it all away via entirely naturalistic, brain-centered phenomena. You would be well advised to study that literature.My best friend had an extraordinary NDE (actual death and bodily reentry, from his POV), but I am not free to describe it. However, Hugh Nibley publicly explained his own NDE on several occasions, including in his 1985 "Faith of an Observer" film, available on DVD and HERE.Have you heard of Dr. Sam Parnia's AWARE study?Do you know if any preliminary results have been released (or leaked) yet? Edited July 16, 2011 by inquiringmind Link to comment
alter idem Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Has anyone here ever seen any real evidence of the supernatural?Yes, I have; that's one reason why I believe in supernatural events.Has anyone had an NDE?I have not. I have always been fascinated with NDE's and have read a number of books on them. I also attend the IANDS group each month and have listened to people relate their own personal NDE's. I heard Dr. Melvin Morse and Dr. Raymond Moody speak on the topic. I have no doubt that they are real, though some people's experiences may have been embellished, IMO.Does anyone know if the AWARE study has had any positive results yet?I do not, but I'm sure that if you google it, you can find out.the early account by psychiatrist Raymond Moody of his own NDE experience I think you may be thinking of George Ritchie, he wrote 'Return from Tomorrow' about his NDE at about age 20 and he was a psychiatrist. Dr. Moody did not have an NDE but was the first to really study them among patients in the early 1970's. He has had some experiences which he described to us at the Salt Lake IANDS meeting in June but I don't believe he's published them yet--he said he has another book he's writing that will come out soon. Link to comment
inquiringmind Posted July 16, 2011 Author Share Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) I do not, but I'm sure that if you google it, you can find out.I've tried Google and Google news, and can't find anything new. I think you may be thinking of George Ritchie, he wrote 'Return from Tomorrow' about his NDE at about age 20 and he was a psychiatristI'm not faniliar with him, his NDE, or his writtings.Does he believe he experienced an external, objective reality?Did he have a veridical out of body experience (of the kind Dr. Parnia's study is trying to document)? Edited July 16, 2011 by inquiringmind Link to comment
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