scooby Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54846.htmlWhen asked whether he still belonged to the Mormon church, he said, "that's tough to define."Hmm.Not passing judgement. Just find it interesting. Link to comment
Jeff K. Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 It begs the question, can a man be a politician and a Mormon.It will be interesting to see who gets further, a man who embraces his religion as Romney does, or the one that witdraws from it, as Huntsman seems to be doing. Link to comment
Sky Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 It begs the question, can a man be a politician and a Mormon.It will be interesting to see who gets further, a man who embraces his religion as Romney does, or the one that witdraws from it, as Huntsman seems to be doing.Considering the influence of the Religious Right and the Tea Party on the GOP, I don’t necessarily see either man getting very far. Huntsman is not conservative enough, and Romney is not ‘Christian’ enough.Although, I think it is possible to be both a politician and a Mormon. Just not necessarily a president. Harry Reid is an example of a person who has been able to be successful as both a politician and a Mormon. Link to comment
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 It begs the question, can a man be a politician and a Mormon.Not a very active one. Link to comment
thesometimesaint Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 I don't belong to the Mormon church. I belong to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and yes you can be a successful politician and belong to the Church. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latter_Day_SaintsCurrently in officeU.S. Senate Mike Crapo, (R-Idaho)[189] Orrin Hatch, (R-Utah)[189] Dean Heller, (R-Nevada) Mike Lee, (R-Utah)[189] Harry Reid, senate majority leader, (D-Nevada)[189] Tom Udall, (D-New Mexico)[189] U.S. House of Representatives Rob Bishop, (R-Utah)[189] Leonard Boswell, (D-Iowa), Community of Christ[190] Jason Chaffetz, (R-Utah)[189] Eni Faleomavaega, nonvoting delegate (D-American Samoa)[189] Jeff Flake, (R-Arizona)[189] Wally Herger, (R-California)[189] Raúl Labrador, (R-Idaho)[189] Buck McKeon, (R-California)[189] Mike Simpson, (R-Idaho)[189] Governors Gary Herbert, (R-Utah)[189] Past office holders U.S. Senate Bob Bennett, (R-Utah, 1993–2010)[191] Berkeley Bunker, (D-Nevada, 1940–42)[192] Howard Cannon, (D-Nevada, 1959–83)[193][194] Jake Garn, (R-Utah, 1974–93) [193] Paula Hawkins, (R-Florida, 1981–87)[195][196] William H. King, (D-Utah, 1917–1941)[197] Frank E. Moss, (D-Utah, 1959–77) [193] Gordon Smith, (R-Oregon, 1997–2009)[198] Reed Smoot, (R-Utah, 1903–33)[199] Elbert Duncan Thomas, (D-Utah, 1933–51)[200] U.S. House of Representatives Hamer Budge, (R-Idaho, 1951–1961)[201] John Milton Bernhisel, (Utah Territory)[202] John Doolittle, (R-California, 1991–2009)[203] Jim Gibbons, (R-Nevada, 1997–2006)[204] George Hansen, (R-Idaho, 1965–69, 1975–85) [205] Ralph Harding, (D, Idaho, 1961–65)[206] Ernest Istook, (R-Oklahoma, 1993–2007)[207] David S. King, (D-Utah, 1959–63, 1965–67)[208] Howard Nielson, (R-Utah, 1983–91)[209] Wayne Owens, (D-Utah, 1973–75, 1987–93)[193][210] Norman D. Shumway, (R-California, 1979–1991)[211] Richard Stallings, (R-Idaho, 1985–93)[212] Richard Swett, (D-New Hampshire, 1991–95)[213] Morris King Udall, (D-Arizona, 1961–91)[211] Stewart Udall, (D-Arizona, 1955–61) [193]Governors John Evans, (D-Idaho, 1977–1987)[214] Jim Gibbons, (R-Nevada, 2007–11)[204] Mike Leavitt, (R-Utah, 1993–2003)[215] George Romney, (R-Michigan, 1963–69)[216] Mitt Romney, (R-Massachusetts, 2003–2007)Cabinet officers, ambassadors and senior administration officials Terrel Bell, Secretary of Education (1981–85)[193][217] Ezra Taft Benson, Secretary of Agriculture (1953–61)[218] Angela Buchanan, Treasurer of the United States (1981–83)[193][219] J. Reuben Clark, undersecretary of state, U.S. ambassador to Mexico[193][220] David M. Kennedy, secretary of treasury (1969–71); ambassador to NATO (1972–73) [193] Mike Leavitt, Secretary of Health and Human Services (2005–2009); Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency[215] Rex Lee, United States Solicitor General (1981–85) [193] Ivy Baker Priest, Treasurer of the United States (1953–61) [193] George Romney, Secretary of Housing and Urban Development (1969–73)[216] Richard Swett, U.S. Ambassador to Denmark (1998–99)[213] Stewart Udall, Secretary of Interior (1961–69)[193] Link to comment
Walden Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Considering the influence of the Religious Right and the Tea Party on the GOP, I don’t necessarily see either man getting very far. Huntsman is not conservative enough, and Romney is not ‘Christian’ enough.I would agree that the Religious Right, dominated by the evangelicals, may take issue with Romney's mormonism, as they do not necessarily consider the LDS church to be a "Christian" church. However, I think an even bigger stumbling block for Romney and his campaign is the comprehensive insurance plan that was implemented under his watch, and with his enthusastic endorsement, while he was governor of Massachusetts. It is, after all, the model that forms the basis of Obama's insurance plan which has been pilloried by almost all on the Right, whether it be Religious Right, Social Right or Fiscal Right. Link to comment
frankenstein Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 I would agree that the Religious Right, dominated by the evangelicals, may take issue with Romney's mormonism, as they do not necessarily consider the LDS church to be a "Christian" church. However, I think an even bigger stumbling block for Romney and his campaign is the comprehensive insurance plan that was implemented under his watch, and with his enthusastic endorsement, while he was governor of Massachusetts. It is, after all, the model that forms the basis of Obama's insurance plan which has been pilloried by almost all on the Right, whether it be Religious Right, Social Right or Fiscal Right.holy cow Walden how can you be soooooooooooo dense. Its obvious that there is a difference between the two and that you can not see the difference means even if I tried to explain, your feeble mind still could not understand. But I will try anyway.The difference is this,Romney was elected by the will of the people to represent the people and as the representative of the people Romney instituted a socialist program.Obama was elected by the will of the people to represent the people and as the representative of the people Obama instituted a socialist program.See, walden you big dunce the difference is glaring ... it takes more letter to type the sentence about Romeny, also if you notice the sentence about Obama is just to left of the Romney sentence. Link to comment
scooby Posted May 14, 2011 Author Share Posted May 14, 2011 This thread is not about politics. Link to comment
SkepticTheist Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Remember that politicians will say pretty much anything to get elected. I think he is simply willing to throw his Mormonism under the bus for the sake of getting elected.http://www.politico....0511/54846.htmlHmm.Not passing judgement. Just find it interesting. Link to comment
thesometimesaint Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 SkepticTheist:How can you tell if a politician is lying? His/her mouth is moving. Link to comment
Analytics Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Remember that politicians will say pretty much anything to get elected. I think he is simply willing to throw his Mormonism under the bus for the sake of getting elected.I would like to think that Huntsman is being sincere about his beliefs, with little regard to its political implications. Link to comment
Walden Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 I would like to think that Huntsman is being sincere about his beliefs, with little regard to its political implications.A politician who disregards the political implications of anything that they believe, say, do, etc. will not be a politician for long in this country. Link to comment
Jeff K. Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 or any country for that matter. Link to comment
CQUIRK Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Off the subject, Mike Huckabee has officially declined to run for President.Maybe someone should start a new post on that subject Link to comment
CQUIRK Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 I don't belong to the Mormon church. I belong to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and yes you can be a successful politician and belong to the Church. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latter_Day_SaintsCurrently in officeU.S. Senate Mike Crapo, (R-Idaho)[189] Orrin Hatch, (R-Utah)[189] Dean Heller, (R-Nevada) Mike Lee, (R-Utah)[189] Harry Reid, senate majority leader, (D-Nevada)[189] Tom Udall, (D-New Mexico)[189] U.S. House of Representatives Rob Bishop, (R-Utah)[189] Leonard Boswell, (D-Iowa), Community of Christ[190] Jason Chaffetz, (R-Utah)[189] Eni Faleomavaega, nonvoting delegate (D-American Samoa)[189] Jeff Flake, (R-Arizona)[189] Wally Herger, (R-California)[189] Raúl Labrador, (R-Idaho)[189] Buck McKeon, (R-California)[189] Mike Simpson, (R-Idaho)[189] Governors Gary Herbert, (R-Utah)[189] Past office holders U.S. Senate Bob Bennett, (R-Utah, 1993–2010)[191] Berkeley Bunker, (D-Nevada, 1940–42)[192] Howard Cannon, (D-Nevada, 1959–83)[193][194] Jake Garn, (R-Utah, 1974–93) [193] Paula Hawkins, (R-Florida, 1981–87)[195][196] William H. King, (D-Utah, 1917–1941)[197] Frank E. Moss, (D-Utah, 1959–77) [193] Gordon Smith, (R-Oregon, 1997–2009)[198] Reed Smoot, (R-Utah, 1903–33)[199] Elbert Duncan Thomas, (D-Utah, 1933–51)[200] U.S. House of Representatives Hamer Budge, (R-Idaho, 1951–1961)[201] John Milton Bernhisel, (Utah Territory)[202] John Doolittle, (R-California, 1991–2009)[203] Jim Gibbons, (R-Nevada, 1997–2006)[204] George Hansen, (R-Idaho, 1965–69, 1975–85) [205] Ralph Harding, (D, Idaho, 1961–65)[206] Ernest Istook, (R-Oklahoma, 1993–2007)[207] David S. King, (D-Utah, 1959–63, 1965–67)[208] Howard Nielson, (R-Utah, 1983–91)[209] Wayne Owens, (D-Utah, 1973–75, 1987–93)[193][210] Norman D. Shumway, (R-California, 1979–1991)[211] Richard Stallings, (R-Idaho, 1985–93)[212] Richard Swett, (D-New Hampshire, 1991–95)[213] Morris King Udall, (D-Arizona, 1961–91)[211] Stewart Udall, (D-Arizona, 1955–61) [193]Governors John Evans, (D-Idaho, 1977–1987)[214] Jim Gibbons, (R-Nevada, 2007–11)[204] Mike Leavitt, (R-Utah, 1993–2003)[215] George Romney, (R-Michigan, 1963–69)[216] Mitt Romney, (R-Massachusetts, 2003–2007)Cabinet officers, ambassadors and senior administration officials Terrel Bell, Secretary of Education (1981–85)[193][217] Ezra Taft Benson, Secretary of Agriculture (1953–61)[218] Angela Buchanan, Treasurer of the United States (1981–83)[193][219] J. Reuben Clark, undersecretary of state, U.S. ambassador to Mexico[193][220] David M. Kennedy, secretary of treasury (1969–71); ambassador to NATO (1972–73) [193] Mike Leavitt, Secretary of Health and Human Services (2005–2009); Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency[215] Rex Lee, United States Solicitor General (1981–85) [193] Ivy Baker Priest, Treasurer of the United States (1953–61) [193] George Romney, Secretary of Housing and Urban Development (1969–73)[216] Richard Swett, U.S. Ambassador to Denmark (1998–99)[213] Stewart Udall, Secretary of Interior (1961–69)[193]I wouldn't count Jim Gibbons if I were you; our former Governor was NEVER a practicing member of the faith, he only claimed the title Link to comment
thesometimesaint Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 CQUIRK:If he never had his name removed from the roles of the Church, he is still a member of the Church. I'm not addressing their level of religiosity, or level of activity. Link to comment
BCSpace Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Does Jon Huntsman Jr. Still Belong To The Lds Faith?It depends alot on his positions on the issues, actual membership notwithstanding.Not passing judgement. Just find it interesting.Yet judgement is exactly what the scriptures ask us to do (1 Cor 6:2). Link to comment
Jaybear Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 It depends alot on his positions on the issues, actual membership notwithstanding.I wonder if Jesus would pass your litmus test. Link to comment
frankenstein Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 according to his PR person in waiting Huntsman is still a member, but that does not say much. Many people are still members. The only part about the whole thing that bothers me is that I believe LDS People will vote for him just because of his membership status, same goes for the flipflopper. Link to comment
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54846.htmlHmm.Not passing judgement. Just find it interesting.I think it speaks volumes, that he is not. Link to comment
CARPE DIEM Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Considering his recent interest in Running for POTUS, I think he is staying neutral in light of what happened to Mitt Romney? Link to comment
BCSpace Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 It depends alot on his positions on the issues, actual membership notwithstanding.I wonder if Jesus would pass your litmus test. Since it's his own test, I'm sure he would. The real question is does someone truly belong to something when they don't like being associated with that something? Consider John 17:11, 20-23. Is Jesus praying for those who cringe when their name is associated with his or who don't accept the doctrine? Of course not. He's praying for those who believe on his name through the teachings of the apostles and prophets; in other words, the Church. Link to comment
Jaybear Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Since it's his own test, I'm sure he would. Jesus never said: "It depends alot on his positions on the issues, actual membership notwithstanding."That was you, which makes your your test. The real question is does someone truly belong to something when they don't like being associated with that something? Huntsman never said he didn't like being associated with Mormonism. I suspect that when he said .... When asked whether he still belonged to the Mormon church, he said, “that’s tough to define. There are varying degrees. I come from a long line of saloon keepers and proselytizers, and I draw from both sides.”... he had in mind the fact that some members, ie members like you, would say he does not belong, if he does not "truly" belong. Whatever that means. Link to comment
Sky Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 However, I think an even bigger stumbling block for Romney and his campaign is the comprehensive insurance plan that was implemented under his watch, and with his enthusastic endorsement, while he was governor of Massachusetts. It is, after all, the model that forms the basis of Obama's insurance plan which has been pilloried by almost all on the Right, whether it be Religious Right, Social Right or Fiscal Right.Good point. It’s such a shame that Romney committed the crime of trying to help people without access to health insurance, isn’t it? Link to comment
Jeff K. Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Considering his recent interest in Running for POTUS, I think he is staying neutral in light of what happened to Mitt Romney?I can think of similar circumstances with members in an earlier time. Wonder if he will deny three times before primary morn? Link to comment
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