USU78 Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 In the Nahom thread, it was suggested that Lehi may have been spelled Lamed-Heh-Yod instead of Lamed-Chet-Yod. In looking at the "Heh" possibility it's come to my attention that, if you put an "aleph" at the beginning and a "mem" at the end of the "Heh" Lehi, you get Eloheim, the title for G-d: lhi --> 'lhim.So what does this mean? I'm not sure, though theophoric elements are all over the place in Hebrew place- and personal names. Here we appear to have a disguised theophoric for the Lehite Patriarch. Link to comment
katherine the great Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 In the Nahom thread, it was suggested that Lehi may have been spelled Lamed-Heh-Yod instead of Lamed-Chet-Yod. In looking at the "Heh" possibility it's come to my attention that, if you put an "aleph" at the beginning and a "mem" at the end of the "Heh" Lehi, you get Eloheim, the title for G-d: lhi --> 'lhim.So what does this mean? I'm not sure, though theophoric elements are all over the place in Hebrew place- and personal names. Here we appear to have a disguised theophoric for the Lehite Patriarch. I thought Lehi meant "jawbone" in Hebrew. Link to comment
USU78 Posted March 20, 2011 Author Share Posted March 20, 2011 I thought Lehi meant "jawbone" in Hebrew.Hebrew has to h's in its alphabet, one that sounds like ours and another that is pronounced like Scottish loch. The letter chet, which I mentioned above, is contained in the Jawbone Lehi. There is, however, the possibility that we are dealing with a heh Lehi, whose definition escapes me just now (my books are all in boxes -- don't ask). It is this heh Lehi that can be turned into the name of G-d by adding letters to its beginning and end. Link to comment
kolipoki09 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Hebrew has to h's in its alphabet, one that sounds like ours and another that is pronounced like Scottish loch. The letter chet, which I mentioned above, is contained in the Jawbone Lehi. There is, however, the possibility that we are dealing with a heh Lehi, whose definition escapes me just now (my books are all in boxes -- don't ask). It is this heh Lehi that can be turned into the name of G-d by adding letters to its beginning and end.As in Elehim? Link to comment
USU78 Posted March 21, 2011 Author Share Posted March 21, 2011 As in Elehim?Vowels don't count. It's the consonants that are the big deal in Hebrew. Link to comment
kolipoki09 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Vowels don't count. It's the consonants that are the big deal in Hebrew.I know. But I've never considered LHY as part of ELHYM until you mentioned it, which may be worth bringing up with one of my teachers. Thanks! Link to comment
LeSellers Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 I thought Lehi meant "jawbone" in Hebrew.I can't speak for Father Lehi, but if we take the English "jawbone" in its verbal form, then, for this Lehi, the name is irrefutably apropos. Lehi Link to comment
USU78 Posted March 21, 2011 Author Share Posted March 21, 2011 I can't speak for Father Lehi, but if we take the English "jawbone" in its verbal form, then, for this Lehi, the name is irrefutably apropos. LehiBadumbum Link to comment
USU78 Posted March 23, 2011 Author Share Posted March 23, 2011 Bump, on the hope that volga or another of our brilliant Hebrew scholars will comment on my observation. Link to comment
volgadon Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Still mulling it over, don't want to be hasty in jumping to conclusions, because it is a fascinating proposal. Link to comment
Robert F. Smith Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 In the Nahom thread, it was suggested that Lehi may have been spelled Lamed-Heh-Yod instead of Lamed-Chet-Yod. In looking at the "Heh" possibility it's come to my attention that, if you put an "aleph" at the beginning and a "mem" at the end of the "Heh" Lehi, you get Eloheim, the title for G-d: lhi --> 'lhim.So what does this mean? I'm not sure, though theophoric elements are all over the place in Hebrew place- and personal names. Here we appear to have a disguised theophoric for the Lehite Patriarch.Does this mean that Loki, the god of Norse mythology, is really Elokim in disguise? Link to comment
Mordecai Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Does this mean that Loki, the god of Norse mythology, is really Elokim in disguise?Isn't Loki the god of mischief, which is pretty much Satan? Link to comment
Robert F. Smith Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 I thought Lehi meant "jawbone" in Hebrew.Correct.KJV Lehi (Heb. ??? = LXX ?????) shows up in the Samson story and elsewhere as both a place-name (Jud 15:9,14, 17,19, 1 Sam 23:11), and Link to comment
Robert F. Smith Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Isn't Loki the god of mischief, which is pretty much Satan?He is the Trickster, but probably not equivalent to Satan. Link to comment
LDSGuy Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 If Lehi means jawbone that would make sense to me. After all, he was the mouthpiece of the Lord. Link to comment
volgadon Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Except that the jawbone, or cheek, or chin were not used as metaphors for speech, as far as we can tell. It is better to look at how the word is used in the Bible first, and try to reconstruct the meaning that way. Link to comment
LDSGuy Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Except that the jawbone, or cheek, or chin were not used as metaphors for speech, as far as we can tell. It is better to look at how the word is used in the Bible first, and try to reconstruct the meaning that way.I was just saying that it made sense to me, not that it was the exact meaning. Just for clarification. Link to comment
USU78 Posted March 28, 2011 Author Share Posted March 28, 2011 Does this mean that Loki, the god of Norse mythology, is really Elokim in disguise?No, but it does mean that Scandinavian Loki, in his German iteration as Loge, is the g-d of mid-priced opera seats. And fire sales. Link to comment
Robert F. Smith Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 No, but it does mean that Scandinavian Loki, in his German iteration as Loge, is the g-d of mid-priced opera seats. And fire sales.Touche, mon frere. Link to comment
USU78 Posted March 28, 2011 Author Share Posted March 28, 2011 He is the Trickster, but probably not equivalent to Satan.You aren't the first to make an implicit connection between the SW Amerind g-d/demig-d Coyote and Loki in their functions as trickster. Of course, there's no evidence that I've seen that Coyote has any end-days enemy function like Loki in les Affaires Baldur and Ragnaroek, so the parallel can't be taken too far. Link to comment
Nathair/|\ Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Isn't Loki the god of mischief, which is pretty much Satan?Satan doesn't have a sense of humor.(Source: C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters.) Link to comment
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