Is Egypt just coincidence?

[LDS Guy 1986]

So is it just me or does all these pro democracy protests throughout the dictatorships of the Middle East seem really convenient, since it was only last July when Iraq emerged as a sovereign and independent nation that is run and defended by the Iraqi Military instead of the US military?

I mean less than 1 year of the emergence of a free and democratic nation in the Middle East and all of a sudden we got a deposed dictator in Egypt, and protests in Iran, Yemen, Syria, Jordan, Algeria, Bahrain, Sudan, and Tunisia. In my opinion this is no coincidence, the people see that democracy can work in the Middle East and now they want what Iraq has gained. I have said this all along, when I was in Iraq we knew this was a fact, the insurgency was not Iraqis but Syrians, Iranians, and Jordanians fighting the US and Iraq to destroy a stable democracy in the Middle East. They feared what has happened, when people see a free Iraq run by a democratic government they want the same. One functioning and sovereign democracy in the Middle East is a threat to all the totalitarians in the region.

These protests will probably get ugly before they get better, but they are the beginning of a free and democratic middle east in my opinion.

[SkepticTheist]

is anything we touch truly free and democratic, or just an extension of our empire for certain elitist interests to maintain its control and interests in the world? I would say the latter. And I would say that they don't care whether it is free and democratic or if it has a dictator, as long as their interests are maintained.

So is it just me or does all these pro democracy protests throughout the dictatorships of the Middle East seem really convenient, since it was only last July when Iraq emerged as a sovereign and independent nation that is run and defended by the Iraqi Military instead of the US military?

I mean less than 1 year of the emergence of a free and democratic nation in the Middle East and all of a sudden we got a deposed dictator in Egypt, and protests in Iran, Yemen, Syria, Jordan, Algeria, Bahrain, Sudan, and Tunisia. In my opinion this is no coincidence, the people see that democracy can work in the Middle East and now they want what Iraq has gained. I have said this all along, when I was in Iraq we knew this was a fact, the insurgency was not Iraqis but Syrians, Iranians, and Jordanians fighting the US and Iraq to destroy a stable democracy in the Middle East. They feared what has happened, when people see a free Iraq run by a democratic government they want the same. One functioning and sovereign democracy in the Middle East is a threat to all the totalitarians in the region.

These protests will probably get ugly before they get better, but they are the beginning of a free and democratic middle east in my opinion.

[todd520]

is anything we touch truly free and democratic, or just an extension of our empire for certain elitist interests to maintain its control and interests in the world? I would say the latter. And I would say that they don't care whether it is free and democratic or if it has a dictator, as long as their interests are maintained.

I'm confused by your use of we and our versus they and their.

Are WE also THEY?

Obviously our self interests are at play,

- A desire for financial and societal stability is one self interest

- Another self-interest is adhering to our legal and moral codes, where individuals do have basic rights and I must follow God's commandments.

The fight to eliminate slavery or racial inequality is an example of serving the later self interest over the former.

I would equate pushing deomocracy on other contries with past and present efforts to promote racial equality.

[SkepticTheist]

Yeah, you are right. I should have elaborated more.

WE are their pawns that do THEIR bidding, that our soldiers die for in meaningless wars. It is THEIR empire. They are the Globalist interests. Not our self interests.

I'm confused by your use of we and our versus they and their.

Are WE also THEY?

Obviously our self interests are at play,

- A desire for financial and societal stability is one self interest

- Another self-interest is adhering to our legal and moral codes, where individuals do have basic rights and I must follow God's commandments.

The fight to eliminate slavery or racial inequality is an example of serving the later self interest over the former.

I would equate pushing deomocracy on other contries with past and present efforts to promote racial equality.

[frankenstein]

Egypt spawned from Tunisia, and Tunisia started because a Mohammed Bouazizi set himself on fire to protest the government action. no mention of iraq

[LDS Guy 1986]

Egypt spawned from Tunisia, and Tunisia started because a Mohammed Bouazizi set himself on fire to protest the government action. no mention of iraq

I didn't say Iraq was the direct cause, look at the protests in Iran in 2009 before Iraq gained total sovereignty. They fell apart in no time, there was no example to look to at that time. Now with a free and democratic Middle Eastern nation the people know that democracy is a achievable thing in the Middle East not just something that works in the western world.

[frankenstein]

I didn't say Iraq was the direct cause, look at the protests in Iran in 2009 before Iraq gained total sovereignty. They fell apart in no time, there was no example to look to at that time. Now with a free and democratic Middle Eastern nation the people know that democracy is a achievable thing in the Middle East not just something that works in the western world.

i think you are trying too hard to draw a connection where there is none. is anyone in Egypt, or other places of current unrest in the Middle East shouting "Look at Iraq we want that too". Now, is the US involved in the Egypt revolution, yes it is, the US smuggled a person out of Egypt and then smuggled that person back in, that person is part of the revolution going on. but still nothing that justifies Iraq, or anything to suggest iraq is what middle east people are looking too.

[LDS Guy 1986]

i think you are trying too hard to draw a connection where there is none. is anyone in Egypt, or other places of current unrest in the Middle East shouting "Look at Iraq we want that too". Now, is the US involved in the Egypt revolution, yes it is, the US smuggled a person out of Egypt and then smuggled that person back in, that person is part of the revolution going on. but still nothing that justifies Iraq, or anything to suggest iraq is what middle east people are looking too.

I would have to disagree, Iraq is the one that disproved the long standing and widely accepted idea that democracy can't exist in the Middle East. That lie has been disproven and now the people are demanding that there voice be heard, like I said before Iraq is not a direct cause, but it seems to be a real big coincidence that most of the Middle East decides it wants democracy within a year of a fully functional democracy succeeding in the heart of the Middle East.

You are right no one is saying "Look at Iraq" that is a direct cause, I am saying it is an indirect cause. People see that democracy can work in the Middle East and when there government keeps oppressing them they desire to be free as well. It follows the domino effect, a stable democracy in Iraq is a threat to the surrounding totalitarian states, because there people will start demanding the same thing.

[SkepticTheist]

Actually, this thing was engineered by George Soros, and his lackey, ElBaradei from the Muslim Brotherhood is being set up to take over. this is not about democracy. it is about globalists extending their interests.

I would have to disagree, Iraq is the one that disproved the long standing and widely accepted idea that democracy can't exist in the Middle East. That lie has been disproven and now the people are demanding that there voice be heard, like I said before Iraq is not a direct cause, but it seems to be a real big coincidence that most of the Middle East decides it wants democracy within a year of a fully functional democracy succeeding in the heart of the Middle East.

You are right no one is saying "Look at Iraq" that is a direct cause, I am saying it is an indirect cause. People see that democracy can work in the Middle East and when there government keeps oppressing them they desire to be free as well. It follows the domino effect, a stable democracy in Iraq is a threat to the surrounding totalitarian states, because there people will start demanding the same thing.

[Hestia]

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