Vex Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Using the contexts, is the best way, then in the mouth of two or three witness and third using yourborn again spirit to bear record of the truth!one loveSo you use two references to place God with feathers and wings. Yet have only one reference for God is a spirit. Care again to elaborate your position on how you reconcile the scriptures you have quoted with the ones I have referenced; or are you in the habit of posting nonsensical positions? Link to comment
evangelist Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 So you use two references to place God with feathers and wings. Yet have only one reference for God is a spirit. Care again to elaborate your position on how you reconcile the scriptures you have quoted with the ones I have referenced; or are you in the habit of posting nonsensical positions?I gave two scripture about God being only a Spirit , and He is also Love!one love Link to comment
Vex Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I gave two scripture about God being only a Spirit , and He is also Love!one loveI see only one. More to the point you have not reconciled the scriptures as you seem to be under the delusion you have. Link to comment
why me Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Yes. But I also believe He was God during his mortal existence.Respectfully,BalzerBut he did get angry with the money changers. And I am sure that he wasn't emotionless when he lived on earth and our emotions can be less than perfect at times. We know very little of christ's life. Was he a normal boy? Was he a normal teenager? We do not know much at all. But what we do know is the short time that he was ministering among the people. But hardly anything else before that. And as had been said, here, maybe he was a perfected man when he was a man. Link to comment
thesometimesaint Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 TAO:Yet Jesus called us Gods. Link to comment
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 The Spirit was reincarmated or manifested into the body of Jesus!1Tm:3:16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.The word "reincarnation" derives from Latin, literally meaning, "entering the flesh again". The Greek equivalent metempsychosis (????????????) roughly corresponds to the common English phrase "transmigration of the soul" and also usually connotes reincarnation after death,[5] as either human, animal, though emphasising the continuity of the soul, not the flesh. The term has been used by modern philosophers such as Kurt G Link to comment
thesometimesaint Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Evangelical:Deu 32:11 "AS AN EAGLE" stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young, spreadeth abroad6566 her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings:Emphasis mine. You do know what a simile is? Link to comment
tana Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 If god is/was a man, is now in a body of flesh and bone, and even his spirit consists of substance/more-fine-spirit-matter, what is left for god to do? Where is his power and might? It seems to me this teaching has turned him into mere machine. Exactly that which the spiritualist fights against....A materialist, causation up, matter creates mind. According to this thinking, everything that god does is through cause and effect, and if this is the case, the only thing that makes him god/special....above all, is he is privy to certain information. He has been handed keys of authority from another. What is to stop a civilization from advancing to this same status of all knowledge.....on it's own?Whereas if it is a system of *causation down* Mind creates matter, all that is is his creation.....from his own mind. *Zero* cause and effect. Just pure will. He has all control.And when I say He, I mean we.... as I believe that all that is.... is God. Link to comment
thesometimesaint Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 tana39:To bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of us his children. Link to comment
tana Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 tana39:To bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of us his children.But I don't think that that really answers my question; If everything about god is mechanical, physical, chemical.....cause and effect, what makes him unique, mysterious, powerful? Everything about him could feasibly be understood simply by examination. He only holds power of knowledge, he doesn't own it. His position of authority and leadership could hypothetically be usurped. Link to comment
Deborah Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 But I don't think that that really answers my question; If everything about god is mechanical, physical, chemical.....cause and effect, what makes him unique, mysterious, powerful?Do you have the power to help your children become gods? None of us do and we can't do it without him. Link to comment
ERayR Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 If god is/was a man, is now in a body of flesh and bone, and even his spirit consists of substance/more-fine-spirit-matter, what is left for god to do? Where is his power and might? It seems to me this teaching has turned him into mere machine. Exactly that which the spiritualist fights against....A materialist, causation up, matter creates mind. According to this thinking, everything that god does is through cause and effect, and if this is the case, the only thing that makes him god/special....above all, is he is privy to certain information. He has been handed keys of authority from another. What is to stop a civilization from advancing to this same status of all knowledge.....on it's own?Whereas if it is a system of *causation down* Mind creates matter, all that is is his creation.....from his own mind. *Zero* cause and effect. Just pure will. He has all control.And when I say He, I mean we.... as I believe that all that is.... is God.Have you looked at the universe and beyond lately? Link to comment
ERayR Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 But I don't think that that really answers my question; If everything about god is mechanical, physical, chemical.....cause and effect, what makes him unique, mysterious, powerful? Everything about him could feasibly be understood simply by examination. He only holds power of knowledge, he doesn't own it. His position of authority and leadership could hypothetically be usurped.Satan/Lucifer tried that. Link to comment
tana Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Satan/Lucifer tried that.That has always been curious to me. How could Lucifer possible think that he could win.... Link to comment
tana Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Have you looked at the universe and beyond lately?I believe your point then is; matter is made up of....stuff, mass, substance? I won't debate this with you as I am not qualified. I will say tho that some say matter is illusion. David Bohm for instance hypothesized that the universe is holographic in nature.My point in this thread is that to give the universe and everything about it, including God, mass and substance, you throw yourselves in with the materialist. It makes god a by-product of cause and effect.My perception of LDS theology is: At a certain point in eternity, an awareness is assembled? out of a stockpile? of eternal components. At this point in eternity he finds himself/becomes cognizant of full awareness, but zero intelligence, experience, memories. He goes thru courses of incarnation to arrive at a point in eternity of all knowledge.To examine this from a purely material perspective. At his *zero* knowledge point, the first cause was affected....and it has been a chain reaction from thence. He has never had an *original* thought. To have an original thought would require....no cause for that thought. Which would seemingly put him outside of cause-effect/materialism I'm going to stop there and see if anyone else wants to play. Link to comment
ERayR Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 I believe your point then is; matter is made up of....stuff, mass, substance? I won't debate this with you as I am not qualified. I will say tho that some say matter is illusion. David Bohm for instance hypothesized that the universe is holographic in nature.My point in this thread is that to give the universe and everything about it, including God, mass and substance, you throw yourselves in with the materialist. It makes god a by-product of cause and effect.My perception of LDS theology is: At a certain point in eternity, an awareness is assembled? out of a stockpile? of eternal components. At this point in eternity he finds himself/becomes cognizant of full awareness, but zero intelligence, experience, memories. He goes thru courses of incarnation to arrive at a point in eternity of all knowledge.To examine this from a purely material perspective. At his *zero* knowledge point, the first cause was affected....and it has been a chain reaction from thence. He has never had an *original* thought. To have an original thought would require....no cause for that thought. Which would seemingly put him outside of cause-effect/materialism I'm going to stop there and see if anyone else wants to play.Your question is what does/will God do. My point is that universe and beyond is extremely chaotic. God brings order and purpose to all that chaos. From my understanding that is a never ending job. Link to comment
tana Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Your question is what does/will God do. My point is that universe and beyond is extremely chaotic. God brings order and purpose to all that chaos. From my understanding that is a never ending job.The differences in our philosophies though are IMO, you/Abrahamic religion, has God as separate from this chaos....an observer. I have us all as a part of this system."Physical objects are not in space, but these objects are spatially extended (as fields). In this way the concept 'empty space' loses its meaning. ... The field thus becomes an irreducible element of physical description, irreducible in the same sense as the concept of matter (particles) in the theory of Newton. ... The physical reality of space is represented by a field whose components are continuous functions of four independent variables - the co-ordinates of space and time. Since the theory of general relativity implies the representation of physical reality by a continuous field, the concept of particles or material points cannot play a fundamental part, nor can the concept of motion. The particle can only appear as a limited region in space in which the field strength or the energy density are particularly high". (Albert Einstein, Metaphysics of Relativity, 1950)If the material world of *things* is ONE continuous field, why wouldn't all aspects of existence be a part of the all? How can there be *voids* of absolutely nothingness between persons, dimensions...or even awareness's? Link to comment
TAO Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 ERayR... I wouldn't say it's chaotic... it's rather just unknown orderly.Organization doesn't have to organize chaos... it can organize something that's ordered in a different way as well ;-) Link to comment
evangelist Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 I see only one. More to the point you have not reconciled the scriptures as you seem to be under the delusion you have.Those scriptures are very clear and so clear to understand a blind person could read them and get true revelation!IWhen a spirit has no flesh and bone from the beginning how can you say a spirit has flesh and bone from the beginning it is contradicting the bible.Plus Go is SPIRIT and that is why He can be everywhere at the same time.I did hear of spirit going to different places but one place as a time or maybe two places, but not everywhere at the same time even to be in all the universes at the same time like God almighty!one love Link to comment
nicolasconnault Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Those scriptures are very clear and so clear to understand a blind person could read them and get true revelation!Plus God is SPIRIT and that is why He can be everywhere at the same time.one loveA blind person might misread the scriptures like you just did. The scripture doesn't say that God is Spirit, it says that God is a Spirit. Spirit and Body are not mutually exclusive, otherwise we wouldn't have a Spirit, given we have a body. Also please CFR for "He can be everywhere at the same time". Link to comment
evangelist Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 A blind person might misread the scriptures like you just did. The scripture doesn't say that God is Spirit, it says that God is a Spirit. Spirit and Body are not mutually exclusive, otherwise we wouldn't have a Spirit, given we have a body. Also please CFR for "He can be everywhere at the same time".Can He be everywhere at the same time in His body and bones and flesh according to Mormons truth teaching???one love Link to comment
thesometimesaint Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 evangelist:In the same way that Jesus is present everywhere though he has a body of flesh and bone. Link to comment
Vex Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Can He be everywhere at the same time in His body and bones and flesh according to Mormons truth teaching???one loveThis is called a deflection, and does not answer the CFR. Link to comment
Vex Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Those scriptures are very clear and so clear to understand a blind person could read them and get true revelation!I think that word does not mean what you think it means. Let us investigate this claim you appear to be making. As the scripture goes;God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.So there is your verse; God is a Spirit. In English the use of 'a' in this sentence is termed an indefinite article, thus one may look up the definition as follows:a1 ? ?[uh; when stressed ey] Show IPA Link to comment
Vance Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Plus Go(d) is SPIRIT and that is why He can be everywhere at the same time.So, is He in HELL? Link to comment
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