Beck and Mormonisn - Missionary work

[noel00]

Glenn Beck generates a lot of praise and intense dislike from nonlds. When one reads the letters in the various online newsletters, many know he is a Mormon and have a negative view of his beliefs. A recent poll found that while Bush and Palin were regarded as Christians, a very small % did not believe he was. He was even lower than Obama, which is strange since he seems to consider Obama as the anti-christ.

[frankenstein]

so what would you like to discuss?

[CA Steve]

Yes I do.

[Jason]

Is there a point to starting yet another Glenn Beck thread? They all get closed for being too political.

[Avatar4321]

Im sure my views effect the perception of mormonism as well.

We all interact with the world around us. People are going to see us and associate us with the Gospel. That's inevitable.

That is why it's so vital that we invite them to learn of the doctrine and be converted by the Spirit and not by anything we do or dont do.

[Hick Preacher]

Im sure my views effect the perception of mormonism as well.

We all interact with the world around us. People are going to see us and associate us with the Gospel. That's inevitable.

That is why it's so vital that we invite them to learn of the doctrine and be converted by the Spirit and not by anything we do or dont do.

I could easily argue that Glen Beck or any other public figure (Mitt, Orrin Hatch, Harry Reid), who are LDS are indeed on a day to day basis of the same basic faith in the same Jesus Christ as Ronald Reagan, Harry Truman, even Billy Graham.

Likewise most any Mormon. The 'different Jesus' argument is a high theological idea that has little to do with a Mormon's day to day religiosity and life lived week to week with family and Ward activities.

But if I were to delineate this idea in an exposition on a public forum, it would

would make my LDS friends think me nuts-- and remove all doubt of such among my Ev friends.

ISA 53:1

[thesometimesaint]

Mr. Beck generates a lot of discussion in LDS circles as well. Personally I use Jesus the Christ as my role model for what a Christian(LDS or not) should be like.

[Hick Preacher]

Mr. Beck generates a lot of discussion in LDS circles as well. Personally I use Jesus the Christ as my role model for what a Christian(LDS or not) should be like.

I have wondered if LDS talk about Beck much.

I am glad to hear that Jesus Christ is your exemplar.

When you say that I imagine that it is the same Jesus Christ. The person born to Mary, son of Joseph, of prophecy in the Hebrew Scripture. This being the case, high mysterious theological notions ( though they have a place) become secondary.

[thesometimesaint]

Hick Preacher:

He gets plenty of discussions in the lead up to Priesthood Meetings. So it's really nothing official. Just a bunch of old men talking. I try to stay out of it. It makes for a much more enjoyable Priesthood Meeting. But sometimes it is just too much and I'm not adverse to saying so. But as I've said it doesn't make for a enjoyable time for me, and I'm pretty sure for others.

That's the Jesus I know and love. Theological differences aside.

[Gohan]

Brother Beck's conversion story DVD actually helped quite a few people on my mission that had had hard lives, really touched them. Got through in a way we were couldn't do; despite the political differences between him and those watching. So, IMO, he's helped missionary work quite a bit in that regard.

[Hick Preacher]

Hick Preacher:

He gets plenty of discussions in the lead up to Priesthood Meetings. So it's really nothing official. Just a bunch of old men talking. I try to stay out of it. It makes for a much more enjoyable Priesthood Meeting. But sometimes it is just too much and I'm not adverse to saying so. But as I've said it doesn't make for a enjoyable time for me, and I'm pretty sure for others.

That's the Jesus I know and love. Theological differences aside.

Old men talking--- you mean the High Priest's Q? A bunch of bored former bishops, and stake high councilmen--oh my. They need to think of ways to raise the percentages of home teachings instead of generating gosip-- or do your Ward Qs have 100% home teaching stats?

Humm-- theology--?? Who lived off of that anyway?

[Hick Preacher]

Brother Beck's conversion story DVD actually helped quite a few people on my mission that had had hard lives, really touched them. Got through in a way we were couldn't do; despite the political differences between him and those watching. So, IMO, he's helped missionary work quite a bit in that regard.

Glen Beck seems to cry too easily--- on the other hand he is a funny guy.

[Scott Lloyd]

Glenn Beck generates a lot of praise and intense dislike from nonlds. When one reads the letters in the various online newsletters, many know he is a Mormon and have a negative view of his beliefs. A recent poll found that while Bush and Palin were regarded as Christians, a very small % did not believe he was. He was even lower than Obama, which is strange since he seems to consider Obama as the anti-christ.

Did you mean to ask whether his views effect (bring about) people's view of Mormonism, or whether they affect (influence) people's view of Mormonism?

[noel00]

Beck has attacked Christians who argue for social justice and he has attacked leading evangelical Jim Wallis. He attacked Dr Cone from Union Seminary over Liberation theology, and interviewed the conservative author Metaxas over his book on Bonhoeffer who attacked the "liberals" at Union. However if He had read some of the sermons that Bonhoeffer would have been listening to by Adam Clayton Powell (shades of Rev Wright) , he would have read a lot about liberation theology from him. This behaviour and his Histrionics on Fox make me doubt the sincerity of his conversion. But then for 30 million a year?

[LifeOnaPlate]

Likewise most any Mormon. The 'different Jesus' argument is a high theological idea that has little to do with a Mormon's day to day religiosity and life lived week to week with family and Ward activities.

The 'different Jesus' argument is a whole lot of special-pleading nonsense, and was thoroughly debunked in the yet-to-be-bested book Offenders for a Word by Peterson and Ricks. There is a huge difference in believing different things about Jesus and believing in a different Jesus. Evangelicals who promote such polemics seem to be motivated above all by boundary maintenance. IMO.

[LifeOnaPlate]

I have wondered if LDS talk about Beck much.

I am glad to hear that Jesus Christ is your exemplar.

When you say that I imagine that it is the same Jesus Christ. The person born to Mary, son of Joseph, of prophecy in the Hebrew Scripture. This being the case, high mysterious theological notions ( though they have a place) become secondary.

I've never heard Beck mentioned at Church, in a Sunday School class, sacrament meeting, etc. I've seen him discussed online on LDS blogs and websites, but not in Church, thank the good Lord.

[LifeOnaPlate]

Beck has attacked Christians who argue for social justice and he has attacked leading evangelical Jim Wallis. He attacked Dr Cone from Union Seminary over Liberation theology, and interviewed the conservative author Metaxas over his book on Bonhoeffer who attacked the "liberals" at Union. However if He had read some of the sermons that Bonhoeffer would have been listening to by Adam Clayton Powell (shades of Rev Wright) , he would have read a lot about liberation theology from him. This behaviour and his Histrionics on Fox make me doubt the sincerity of his conversion. But then for 30 million a year?

Beck is an inter-religious nightmare, for the most part. He's said embarrassing things about social justice (thus maligning Catholics and others), Black Protestants (thus offending liberation movements and echoes of the civil rights era), and he's also said ridiculous things about Islam as well. I beseech you, and all others, to disregard anything Beck says about other religions.

[CA Steve]

Did you mean to ask whether his views effect (bring about) people's view of Mormonism, or whether they affect (influence) people's view of Mormonism?

I think Beck 'effects' his views on Mormonism to affect his pocketbook.

[Hick Preacher]

The 'different Jesus' argument is a whole lot of special-pleading nonsense, and was thoroughly debunked in the yet-to-be-bested book Offenders for a Word by Peterson and Ricks. There is a huge difference in believing different things about Jesus and believing in a different Jesus. Evangelicals who promote such polemics seem to be motivated above all by boundary maintenance. IMO.

Thanks LifeOnaPlate--

I have a copy of Offenders for a Word and consider it to cover a very useful aspect of the 'different Jesus' controversy.

The Christ of the preparatory gospel and the covenant of baptism in the LDS Church is identical in His attributes of identity to the orthodox Christ of Traditional Christianity.

In the higher spheres of Mormon teachings (Eternal Progression), The Christ takes on some other attributes. This is of recent interest to me because the realm of theology is beyond Biblical revelation. That is to say the LDS revelations that assign other attributes to Christ-- in of a sphere or tier of kinds of mystery that has always been above the preparatory gospel or scope of the Bible. The higher spheres of teachings which communicate the mystery of godliness by nature take on an additional rules of epistemology. This is why Traditional Christians, viewing the mystery with a different set of knowledge rules reckon the Mormon Jesus to be a different Jesus.

[Pahoran]

Beck has attacked Christians who argue for social justice

IOW, people to the left of him.

You really ought to try to avoid using loaded language that pre-empts any discussion. I have frequently observed that such "progressive elements" (a term of art used by the state sponsors of subversion) use slogans like "social justice" to mean something equivalent to "socialist programs."

and he has attacked leading evangelical Jim Wallis. He attacked Dr Cone from Union Seminary over Liberation theology,

Which is a radically left-wing notion.

and interviewed the conservative author Metaxas over his book on Bonhoeffer who attacked the "liberals" at Union. However if He had read some of the sermons that Bonhoeffer would have been listening to by Adam Clayton Powell (shades of Rev Wright) , he would have read a lot about liberation theology from him. This behaviour and his Histrionics on Fox make me doubt the sincerity of his conversion. But then for 30 million a year?

So he makes more than most anti-Mormons do. No need to get jealous.

Regards,

Pahoran

[LifeOnaPlate]

IOW, people to the left of him.

You really ought to try to avoid using loaded language that pre-empts any discussion. I have frequently observed that such "progressive elements" (a term of art used by the state sponsors of subversion) use slogans like "social justice" to mean something equivalent to "socialist programs."

Which is a radically left-wing notion.

So he makes more than most anti-Mormons do. No need to get jealous.

Regards,

Pahoran

Catholics who advocate for social justice, while at the same time objecting to abortion, birth control, gay marriage, etc. might have a good laugh over your inaccurate politicizing of their take on social justice.

[Vance]

Becks very existence and popularity on the national stage exposes anti-Mormon religious bigots for what they are, religious bigots. The exposure of this bigotry is good for the Church and good for the nation. It might even bring some people into the church (more than he might be driving away).

[noel00]

It might prompt people to examine LDS history and theology more. People might ask, what is the Book of Mormon? Is it a plausible scripture? Does the S/R theory adequately explain it's origins? Turning the light onto your faith's origins might be a two edged sword. I am not bigoted if I after reading all the relevant arguments come to the conclusion that the LDS claims are false. I am free to do so in any blog, letter to the editor or messageboard. If I am civil,toughminded I will get a fair hearing, if I rant and rave and make unsubtaniated statments I will be ignored. So I see an incongruity between the statements Beck makes of others he disagrees with and his personal claims of faith. Calling people bigoted who disagree with you is a bad argument.

[frankenstein]

Catholics who advocate for social justice, while at the same time objecting to abortion, birth control, gay marriage, etc. might have a good laugh over your inaccurate politicizing of their take on social justice.

a voice of reason in a wandering herd of insanity.

[Pahoran]

Catholics who advocate for social justice, while at the same time objecting to abortion, birth control, gay marriage, etc. might have a good laugh over your inaccurate politicizing of their take on social justice.

Right after I have a good laugh at anyone who assumes that I was talking about "their take" on any subject.

I simply observed that "social justice" is a slogan frequently pressed into the service of a left-wing agenda. Do you disagree?

Regards,

Pahoran