cinepro Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 Quick question. In the early days of the Church, it is my understanding that the Aaronic priesthood offices weren't generally given to teenagers, and it wasn't delineated by age. Does anyone know when the Church instituted the current policy of 12 year old Deacons, 14 year old Teachers, 16 year old Priests, and then Melchezidek Priesthood ~18?Thanks.
The_Monk Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 The article you want is William G. Hartley, "From Men to Boys: LDS Aaronic Priesthood Offices, 1829
urroner Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 The article you want is William G. Hartley, "From Men to Boys: LDS Aaronic Priesthood Offices, 1829
rockslider Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 Interesting, 1877-1908, every youth 12 up at least one office1908-22, age linked.It goes back further than I had expected.I remember talking to some RLDS years ago when I was first ordained a HP. I was surprised at how humble and respectful they were to this when I mentioned it. I was then quickly humbled when I learned they (dedicated adult men) were deacons and teachers.Hopefully UD will note this thread and add some thoughts.
Uncle Dale Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 ...Hopefully UD will note this thread and add some thoughts...Not much to say. Many RLDS deacons and teachers are in their senior years and have more experience and capabilities than most high priests.What was the highest priesthood office filled by Joseph Smith, Sr.? That may tell us something.UD
rockslider Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 Might I ask your office before Restitution Branch split and CoC change?
Uncle Dale Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 ...Restitution [sic] Branch...Sorry, I can't quit laughing.In short, associate prophet.UD
rockslider Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 UD,I'm sorry; it truly is a challenge having an intelligence level only slightly above idiot.I know, it was a Freudian slip in your behalf - you surely deserve some restitution. I'm mostly embarrassed for the lack of respect, which I do indeed feel for it
USU78 Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 [A]ssociate prophet.Does that come with a stipend based upon gross points from the sale of Hello Kitty merchandise?
Uncle Dale Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 Does that come with a stipend based upon gross points from the sale of Hello Kitty merchandise?Fine print of the setting apart blessing says "Good for 10,000 miles or one false prediction -- which ever comes first."UD
cinepro Posted July 11, 2010 Author Posted July 11, 2010 Thanks urroner and the_Monk. That was exactly what I was looking for!
Glenn101 Posted July 11, 2010 Posted July 11, 2010 Not much to say. Many RLDS deacons and teachers are in their senior years and have more experience and capabilities than most high priests.What was the highest priesthood office filled by Joseph Smith, Sr.? That may tell us something.UDIf I remember correctly Joseph Smith Sr. was a High Priest and the first Patriarch to the church. I do not have the references handy, though, but if anyone asks for a CFR, I will try to dig the info up.Glenn
Uncle Dale Posted July 11, 2010 Posted July 11, 2010 If I remember correctly Joseph Smith Sr. was a High Priest and the first Patriarch to the church. I do not have the references handy, though, but if anyone asks for a CFR, I will try to dig the info up.GlennMy question was a purely rhetorical one. JS Sr. progressed through the quorums, holding different offices at different times, until made a high priest.My point was that people like himself and his old friend Alva Beeman, were in "lower" offices (as old men) when other, younger members were already in higher offices.UD
rockslider Posted July 11, 2010 Posted July 11, 2010 UD, this Associate Prophet is foreign to me. Given the following information can you give me a similar RLDS hierarchy? LDS Priesthood orders and offices:I'd suggest that orders of the priesthood represent a personal progression, available to all - foundationaly non ecclesiastical Orders of the Priesthood:DeaconTeacherPriestElderHigh PriestPatriarchal (thinking temple here -- UD take on this please?)I'd suggest offices of the Priesthood are more ecclesiastical in nature. Of course several of the orders have associated ecclesiastical responsibilities as well.Offices of the Priesthood:Bishop (typically HP)Elders Quorum President (Elder)High Priest Group Leader (all remaining HP required)Stake High CouncilStake PresidentStake PatriarchRegional Authority70ApostleAssistant to the President (i.e. Alvin R. Dyer)First PresidencyProphet
cinepro Posted July 11, 2010 Author Posted July 11, 2010 The MHA article discusses a period where the new, younger priesthood were given additional, non-scriptural responsibilities to help keep them busy. I had never realized that passing the Sacrament isn't actually a scriptural duty of the Deacons, or that Teachers aren't doctrinally required to prepare the Sacrament table (in fact, women had that duty for many years).There is even a photo of some "Bee-hives" from 1945 who, for two years, collected fast offerings because there weren't enough Deacons, and they did a great job!
Uncle Dale Posted July 11, 2010 Posted July 11, 2010 UD, this Associate Prophet is foreign to me. Given the following information can you give me a similar RLDS hierarchy? LDS Priesthood orders and offices:I'd suggest that orders of the priesthood represent a personal progression, available to all - foundationaly non ecclesiastical Orders of the Priesthood:DeaconTeacherPriestElderHigh PriestPatriarchal (thinking temple here -- UD take on this please?)I'd suggest offices of the Priesthood are more ecclesiastical in nature. Of course several of the orders have associated ecclesiastical responsibilities as well.Offices of the Priesthood:Bishop (typically HP)Elders Quorum President (Elder)High Priest Group Leader (all remaining HP required)Stake High CouncilStake PresidentStake PatriarchRegional Authority70ApostleAssistant to the President (i.e. Alvin R. Dyer)First PresidencyProphet I think you have it about right.As for my own history, all I'm comfortable in saying is that all ordinances were performed by elders who either went into Restoration branches or left CoC, and thus (except for baptism/confirmation) are not recognized by the post-2000 CoC. Since this thread is not about me, I think it best to leave personal matters at that.UD
urroner Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 Since this thread is not about me, I think it best to leave personal matters at that.UDWe could make it about you. BTW, the warranty comment was hilarious. I really wasn't expecting something like that which made it a great piece of humor.
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