David T Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Gospel Principles (2009)EDIT: (September 8 : The Entire list of Changes in MS Word .doc format hereEDIT: (august 6) Starting on post #155 of this thread, I've started documenting the changes in each chapter. Click ahead to skip the speculation, and see what actually has or has not changed in these chapters:Chapter 1: Our Heavenly FatherChapter 2: Our Heavenly FamilyChapter 3: Jesus Christ, Our Chosen Leader and SaviorChapter 4: Freedom to ChooseChapter 5: The CreationChapter 6: The Fall of Adam and EveChapter 7: The Holy GhostChapter 8: Praying to Our Heavenly FatherChapter 9: Prophets of GodChapter 10: ScripturesChapter 11: The Life of ChristChapter 12: The AtonementChapter 13: The PriesthoodChapter 14: Priesthood OrganizationChapter 15: The Lord's Covenant PeopleChapter 16: The Church of Jesus Christ in Former TimesChapter 17: The Church of Jesus Christ TodayChapter 18: Faith in Jesus ChristChapter 19: RepentanceChapter 20: BaptismChapter 21: The Gift of the Holy GhostChapter 22: The Gifts of the SpiritChapter 23: The SacramentChapter 24: The Sabbath DayChapter 25: FastingChapter 26: SacrificeChapter 27: Work and Personal ResponsibilityChapter 28: ServiceChapter 29: The Lord's Law of HealthChapter 30: CharityChapter 31: HonestyChapter 32: Tithes and OfferingsChapter 33: Missionary WorkChapter 34: Developing Our TalentsChapter 35: ObedienceChapter 36: The Family Can Be EternalChapter 37: Family ResponsibilitiesChapter 38: Eternal MarriageChapter 39: The Law of ChastityChapter 40: Temple Work and Family HistoryHere, chapters were rearranged:Chapter 41:The Postmortal Spirit World (was Chapter 45 in 1997 edition) Chapter 42: The Gathering of the House of IsraelChapter 43: Signs of the Second Coming (was Chapter 41 in 1997 edition) Chapter 44: The Second Coming of Jesus Christ (was Chapter 43 in 1997 edition) Chapter 45: The Millennium (was Chapter 44 in 1997 edition)Chapter 46: The Final JudgmentChapter 47: Exaltation Link to comment
mnn727 Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Had not heard a word about it - but being I am the 2&3rd week instructor for EQ (currently) I am looking forward to it (anything to get out of the Joseph Smith manual -- ugh!)This book provides an overview of gospel principles. It was revised in 2009. It is used for personal study and for the Gospel Principles class during Sunday School. In 2010 and 2011 it will be used for Melchizedek Priesthood and Relief Society instruction on the second and third Sundays of each month.I just checked in the Sunday School section of LDS.org and its not online yet, they still have the older version. Link to comment
David T Posted July 24, 2009 Author Share Posted July 24, 2009 For starters, I'm just glad I won't have to see the old horribly dated cover art any more Link to comment
emeliza Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 I am way excited as I love Gospel Principles. I wonder if this means investigators will now go to Gospel Doctrine. Link to comment
robuchan Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 $20 says deification doctrine is further dumbed down. Link to comment
Joseph Antley Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 $20 says deification doctrine is further dumbed down.I can't help but wonder if your cynicism and gambling habit have any relation to one other. Link to comment
Lightbearer Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 $20 says deification doctrine is further dumbed down.I cover that and raise you $200. And I do not gamble. Link to comment
cinepro Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 For starters, I'm just glad I won't have to see the old horribly dated cover art any more x2 Link to comment
cinepro Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 $20 says deification doctrine is further dumbed down.This is the chapter from the old manual. What part seems "dumbed down" to you? It seems pretty clear to me:Chapter 47: ExaltationThose who receive exaltation in the celestial kingdom through faith in Jesus Christ will receive special blessings. The Lord has promised, â??All things are theirsâ? (D&C 76:59). These are some of the blessings given to exalted people:1. They will live eternally in the presence of Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ (see D&C 76).2. They will become gods.3. They will have their righteous family members with them and will be able to have spirit children also. These spirit children will have the same relationship to them as we do to our Heavenly Father. They will be an eternal family.4. They will receive a fulness of joy.5. They will have everything that our Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ haveâ??all power, glory, dominion, and knowledge. President Joseph Fielding Smith wrote: â??The Father has promised through the Son that all that he has shall be given to those who are obedient to his commandments. They shall increase in knowledge, wisdom, and power, going from grace to grace, until the fulness of the perfect day shall burst upon themâ? (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:36).The Prophet Joseph Smith taught: â??When you climb up a ladder, you must begin at the bottom, and ascend step by step, until you arrive at the top; and so it is with the principles of the Gospelâ??you must begin with the first, and go on until you learn all the principles of exaltation. But it will be a great while after you have passed through the veil [died] before you will have learned them. It is not all to be comprehended in this world; it will be a great work to learn our salvation and exaltation even beyond the graveâ? (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 348).This is the way our Heavenly Father became God. Joseph Smith taught: â??It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God. â?¦ He was once a man like us; â?¦ God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself didâ? (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345â??46). Link to comment
robuchan Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 This is the chapter from the old manual. What part seems "dumbed down" to you? It seems pretty clear to me:Chapter 47: ExaltationThis is the last remnant of any deification doctrine in any official church publications. It's plain, but not stated as forcefully as many would like. Link to comment
David T Posted July 24, 2009 Author Share Posted July 24, 2009 One reason I like this book, is because it is the closest thing the Church has to a Catechism, or systematic explaining of the essentials of LDS Doctrine, taught not in an apologetic manner, but clear and straightforward, that the most unlearned individual, after reading this book, could easily be able to understand and find context in the core doctrine of the church, and its relation to the commandments and ordinances. Very much looking forward to an updated edition. Link to comment
Connolly Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 This is the last remnant of any deification doctrine in any official church publications. It's plain, but not stated as forcefully as many would like.Ahem... The book of Doctrine and Covenants is not an official church publication? Link to comment
LifeOnaPlate Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Gospel Principles (2009)I haven't seen it readable online at LDS.org yet, just for purchase. Does anyone know anything more about this manual?20 bucks says folks will be whining about it/making fun of it before it even hits the shelves. Link to comment
LifeOnaPlate Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 $20 says deification doctrine is further dumbed down.Oh SNAP! Link to comment
LifeOnaPlate Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 x2Actually, I really like that old school art. Link to comment
cinepro Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 This is the last remnant of any deification doctrine in any official church publications. It's plain, but not stated as forcefully as many would like.Really?2. They will become gods.Does it get more forceful than that? Should it say "They will really, really become gods"? Link to comment
David T Posted July 24, 2009 Author Share Posted July 24, 2009 All I know is that I already ordered mine, so in case it's not online anytime soon, I can examine it and discuss it by its own merits.(speaking of new publications, the Brand New Double-length Book of Mormon institute manual is available as a PDF, although I can't find any sign of it on the Distribution website...) Link to comment
LifeOnaPlate Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 This is the last remnant of any deification doctrine in any official church publications. It's plain, but not stated as forcefully as many would like.Methinks you have more reading to do, robuchan. Your ignorance betrays you, my friend. The newest manual, Teachings of the Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith, talks about God being a man, and man becoming gods, several explicit times. While it enters no rigorous ontological or metaphysical discussion on the subject, the words are all there, and quite explicit. In other words, this comment of yours is akin to me claiming that Huck Finn never mentions any rafting on the river. It shows little more than sheer ignorance. Oops! Link to comment
LifeOnaPlate Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Does it get more forceful than that? Should it say "They will really, really become gods"?Italicize the second "really" and you've got it right! Link to comment
robuchan Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Really?Does it get more forceful than that? Should it say "They will really, really become gods"?No reason to be coy. You know what I mean. Lower case gods could mean a lot of things to a lot of people. You could reject pretty much all of King Follet and still be in line doctrinally with the Gospel Principles Manual. Link to comment
ttribe Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 20 bucks says folks will be whining about it/making fun of it before it even hits the shelves.I'm guessing Coolrock7 already has one and is actively engaged in quote-mining for more "ammunition" and doing a "comparison" of the old and new to identify "important" differences between the two manuals ("scare" quotes used purposely as a result of another thread involving Coolrok). Link to comment
LifeOnaPlate Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 I'm guessing Coolrock7 already has one and is actively engaged in quote-mining for more "ammunition" and doing a "comparison" of the old and new to identify "important" differences between the two manuals ("scare" quotes used purposely as a result of another thread involving Coolrok).hehe, coolpaste is probably as excited as anyone about this new development! Link to comment
ebeddoulos Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 This is the last remnant of any deification doctrine in any official church publications. It's plain, but not stated as forcefully as many would like.You it find not forceful enough? The following seems more than adequate to me.2. They will become gods.How would you have it stated to make it more forceful. This enquiring mind wants to know. Link to comment
Calm Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 I'm guessing Coolrock7 already has one and is actively engaged in quote-mining for more "ammunition" and doing a "comparison" of the old and new to identify "important" differences between the two manuals ("scare" quotes used purposely as a result of another thread involving Coolrok).Hmmm....maybe I should go look for that old thread we did a pretty detailed analysis on one of the issues....deification, IIRC. Link to comment
emeliza Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Really?Does it get more forceful than that? Should it say "They will really, really become gods"?Cinepro~ You crack me up. I spit my salad all over my desk when I read that one. Link to comment
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