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Remnant Of 2nd Temple In Jerusalem Found?


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Interesting:

Remains of the Jewish second temple may have been found during work to lay pipes at the Al-Aqsa mosque compound in east Jerusalem, Israeli television reported Thursday.

Israeli television broadcast footage of a mechanical digger at the site which Israeli archaeologists visited on Thursday.

Gaby Barkai, an archaeologist from Bar Ilan University, urged the Israeli government to stop the pipework after the discovery of what he said is "a massive seven metre-long wall."

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The compound, which houses both Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock, is located in east Jerusalem, which Israel occupied in 1967 and then annexed. It is the third holiest site in Islam after Mecca and Medina.

-Smac

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From what was reported in the article, it appears that the logic is, "We found something on the Temple Mount. Therefore, it must be part of the Temple." I'm sure many of us could make an extended list of the logical fallacies in that reasoning.

It would be nice to have a bit more evidence that actually establishes it as a part of the former Temple.

However, as Mr. Truth suggests, I would be more than astounded if the Waqf permits any significant study of this find.

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A temple remnant presents a bit of a problem. "There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down" - Matt 24

It could be a related structure.

Im not really sure the verse yer speaking of actually meant that each stone of the temple

would be thrown down? I think ,maybe it was refering to something else other than the actuall temple building?

:P

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JST Matthew 24: 2 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple; and his disciples came to him, for to hear him, saying: Master, show us concerning the buildings of the temple, as thou hast saidâ??They shall be thrown down, and left unto you desolate. 3 And Jesus said unto them: See ye not all these things, and do ye not understand them? Verily I say unto you, there shall not be left here, upon this temple, one stone upon another that shall not be thrown down.

KJV Matt 24: 1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

NIV Matt 24: 1Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2"Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."

He was definitely talking about the temple. It was completely destroyed in 70AD. When Herod rennovated the temple c.a. 20BCE he built a massive retaining wall around the temple mount and filled it to provide a larger platform around the temple. The wailing wall is the western edge of the retaining wall, but the temple itself is long gone. Herod's platform raised the surrounding hillside as much as 20 feet and had many underground rooms, so no doubt there are archeological finds to be had there, but the temple was completely and utterly dismantled by the Romans.

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Remains of the Jewish second temple may have been found during work to lay pipes at the Al-Aqsa mosque compound in east Jerusalem, Israeli television reported Thursday.

No, there were no remains of the second Jewish Temple. There never was a Jewish Temple. The site of the Al-Aqsa mosque has always belonged to Allah and His servants, led by Muhommend (PBUH).

MY GOSH, SMAC, ARE YOU TRYING TO GET THESE FOLKS ANY MORE FIRED UP THAN THEY ALREADY ARE? ADOPT THE PARTY LINE, MAN! :P

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Maybe the destruction hasn't been completed yet. I don't see any timeline in those words.

No, as Connolly pointed out, the Romans did a pretty thorough job on the Temple. Although under orders not to destroy the structure, the Temple was consumed in the ferocious fighting around the Temple Mount, particularly the Antonia Fortress adjacent to the Temple complex. At that point, the Romans had little sympathy for their opponents and their opponents' sacred places (which were usually a favorite target during a siege), and began a rampage. All Jews on the Mount were slaughtered, and a fire (intentional or not remains a minor controversy) consumed the Temple and those who fled to it in the hope of divine protection. The ruins of the Temple and the rest of the city were ordered destroyed according to Josephus:

Now as soon as the army had no more people to slay or to plunder, because there remained none to be the objects of their fury (for they would not have spared any, had there remained any other work to be done), Caesar gave orders that they should now demolish the entire city and Temple, but should leave as many of the towers standing as were of the greatest eminence; that is, Phasaelus, and Hippicus, and Mariamne; and so much of the wall as enclosed the city on the west side. This wall was spared, in order to afford a camp for such as were to lie in garrison [in the Upper City], as were the towers also spared, in order to demonstrate to posterity what kind of city it was, and how well fortified, which the Roman valor had subdued; but for all the rest of the wall, it was so thoroughly laid even with the ground by those that dug it up to the foundation, that there was left nothing to make those that came thither believe it had ever been inhabited. This was the end which Jerusalem came to by the madness of those that were for innovations; a city otherwise of great magnificence, and of mighty fame among all mankind

Basically only the walls supporting the Temple Mount survived. There are stories of underground passages and storage chambers under the Temple Mount that did survive according to the Crusaders (which fuels legends of fantastic discoveries by the Templar Knights), which archeologists ache to explore if the Israel-Palestine situation ever allows it. The Temple itself, though, was utterly obliterated. There may be the remnants of a foundation left (but that would mean digging under the Dome of the Rock to confirm it, which is a no-no). I can think of no reason why the prophecy in Matthew has yet to be fulfilled.

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Ah Connolly - it has to be literal and not figurative right?

Even if there is a figurative element to it, the prophecy still refers to the temple.

Here's the options:

1) Christ was prophesying about the temple and it happened as he said it would.

2) It didn't happen as Christ said and he is a false prophet.

3) Christ was talking figuratively and it was only coincidence that the temple was destroyed, Christ was not enough of a seer to foresee that it would literally happen.

4) The entire prophecy was never made, it was fabricated years after the Romans completely dismantled the temple to give credibility to a newly made up religion based on bald faced lies.

Which one of those do you want to hang your hat on?

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After the Bar Kokhba revolt ca 134CE, Hadarin ordered that what was left of Jerusalem was to be destroyed.

Josephus continues:

And truly, the very view itself was a melancholy thing; for those places which were adorned with trees and pleasant gardens, were now become desolate country every way, and its trees were all cut down. Nor could any foreigner that had formerly seen Judaea and the most beautiful suburbs of the city, and now saw it as a desert, but lament and mourn sadly at so great a change. For the war had laid all signs of beauty quite waste. Nor had anyone who had known the place before, had come on a sudden to it now, would he have known it again. But though a foreigner were at the city itself, yet would he have inquired for it (emphasis added)

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