Chris Smith Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 We are told in Mark that Jesus' parents didn't believe in him and tried to take him into custody. This is odd, if his birth really was a virgin conception announced by an angel.Any thoughts on why Jesus' parents might have doubted him? Link to comment
cjcampbell Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 Got a cite for that? I don't see anything in Mark like that. Link to comment
structurecop Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 See Mark 3:21,31-34Probably because the virgin birth narrative is a late addition. Link to comment
proofoflife Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 See Mark 3:21,31-34I must be reading the wrong Bible because Mark 3:21, 31-34 has nothing to do with Jesus' parents were not in agreement as to who Jesus was and what his role would be. Or am I off on this one? Link to comment
ed2276 Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 I must be reading the wrong Bible because Mark 3:21, 31-34 has nothing to do with Jesus' parents were not in agreement as to who Jesus was and what his role would be. Or am I off on this one? I don't see it there either. Link to comment
charity Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 Mark 3:21 And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself. 31 Link to comment
Baurak Ale Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 PhilipTraum is that picture, a real picture of mans head being shot and blowing up or exploding?Where did you get it rotten.com ? or something? Link to comment
Chris Smith Posted May 20, 2007 Author Share Posted May 20, 2007 Mark 3:21 And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself. ...ck,what did you have for breakfast?That's interesting... the KJV says "friends" where other versions (NIV, Holman) say "family." If we read it as "family," then 31-34 appears to be an attempt by his family to "lay hold of him." Thus, perhaps, his ambivalent reaction to their arrival.-CK Link to comment
charity Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 That's interesting... the KJV says "friends" where other versions (NIV, Holman) say "family." If we read it as "family," then 31-34 appears to be an attempt by his family to "lay hold of him." Thus, perhaps, his ambivalent reaction to their arrival.-CKIs there a reason you left out the other verses you cited? Link to comment
johndoe Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 PhilipTraum is that picture, a real picture of mans head being shot and blowing up or exploding?Where did you get it rotten.com ? or something?I'm guessing it may be a scene from an old movie called 'Scanners'.LinkOK, back to your regularly scheduled programming...Edited: My suspicion has been confirmed by the convenience of youtube. Sorry to indulge the rabbit trail. Link to comment
Chris Smith Posted May 20, 2007 Author Share Posted May 20, 2007 Is there a reason you left out the other verses you cited?Only to highlight that it's the KJV translation of v. 21 that led you to wonder what I had for breakfast. Link to comment
kantgomo Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 Could it have been they were concerned for his safety? Link to comment
TrashcanMan79 Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 Came across an interesting article addressing this:Jesus' Family Was Not Supportive Link to comment
Chris Smith Posted May 20, 2007 Author Share Posted May 20, 2007 That's a really interesting article. Thanks! Link to comment
charity Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 Only to highlight that it's the KJV translation of v. 21 that led you to wonder what I had for breakfast.Actually, what led me to question your grip on reality this morning, was the whole thing does not seem to say to me that His parents did not believe him. Link to comment
Loquacious Lurker Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 the whole thing does not seem to say to me that His parents did not believe him.Add that passage in Mark together with this:But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in His own country, and in His own house. And He did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief. Matthew 13:54-58 KJVCircumstantial evidence...?(edit) AND this:"His brethren therefore said unto Him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that Thy disciples also may see the works that Thou doest. For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If Thou do these things, show Thyself to the world. For neither did His brethren believe in Him." (John 7:3-5 KJV)(Note: "brethren" here cannot mean His disciples, or the Twelve, who did believe in Him; those verses are speaking of Jesus' actual physical brothers) Link to comment
Deborah Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 "His brethren therefore said unto Him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that Thy disciples also may see the works that Thou doest. For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If Thou do these things, show Thyself to the world. For neither did His brethren believe in Him." (John 7:3-5 KJV)(Note: "brethren" here cannot mean His disciples, or the Twelve, who did believe in Him; those verses are speaking of Jesus' actual physical brothers)This is either evidence that Mary did not remain a virgin and had other children or it is a misinterpretation. Not that I believe Mary and Joseph didn't have other children but my interpretation of this is that "brethern" refers to his followers not his siblings. Link to comment
Joseph Antley Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 This is either evidence that Mary did not remain a virgin and had other children or it is a misinterpretation.Not necessarily. All Catholics believe Mary remained a virgin but are well aware Jesus had other brothers. As attested by one of the infancy gospels, the tradition is that these were sons of Joseph by a previous wife.I think CK's observation is very interesting. Link to comment
TrashcanMan79 Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 All Catholics believe Mary remained a virgin but are well aware Jesus had other brothers. As attested by one of the infancy gospels, the tradition is that these were sons of Joseph by a previous wife.I'm curious. Which came first: the tradition that Jesus' brothers weren't sons of Mary or the belief that Mary remained a virgin? Link to comment
Chris Smith Posted May 20, 2007 Author Share Posted May 20, 2007 The reason given by Gary Willis in What Jesus Meant is that Jesus may have spent his early years with a desert sect like the Essenes or John the Baptist's followers. Jesus' family might have seen this as the rough equivalent of joining a cult. Thus, despite the promises given them, disillusionment set in. Willis' book is what sparked this thread. Link to comment
Joseph Antley Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 I'm curious. Which came first: the tradition that Jesus' brothers weren't sons of Mary or the belief that Mary remained a virgin?I would guess the latter, and the former was created to justify it.The reason given by Gary Willis in What Jesus Meant is that Jesus may have spent his early years with a desert sect like the Essenes or John the Baptist's followers. Jesus' family might have seen this as the rough equivalent of joining a cult. Thus, despite the promises given them, disillusionment set in. Willis' book is what sparked this thread.Very interesting. Maybe I should pick up a copy of his book. Link to comment
Chris Smith Posted May 20, 2007 Author Share Posted May 20, 2007 He's a good writer, and the book's easy to read. It's more of a devotional book than an academic study, though, just so you know. Willis is a Catholic. Link to comment
Deborah Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 Not necessarily. All Catholics believe Mary remained a virgin but are well aware Jesus had other brothers. As attested by one of the infancy gospels, the tradition is that these were sons of Joseph by a previous wife.Except that the scriptures do not mention anything about Joseph having been a widower. Link to comment
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