Zakuska
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He also believes, belivers will never die,
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Just now, JLHPROF said:
No, the Church is his bride.
And he loves her every bit as much as we love our spouses.
And he would be more than ready to walk away from her if she abandoned correct principles and doctrine.The God presented by Jeremiah doesn't sound that ready to abandoned Israel even after centuries of incorrect principles doctrines and policies.
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10 minutes ago, thesometimesaint said:
Matthew 10:37
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Is Christ the church?
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Another flaw with savedwheat's hypothosis that "those in hell remain in hell forever" is the Biblical/Christian doctrine of the "harrowing of hell".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrowing_of_Hell
Not to mention the prophet David.
Psalms 16
For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
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15 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:
All my time on this board and I've never been able to get a Youtube video to directly embed in a post. I click the code button, choose HTML, and enter the embed code from Youtube and nothing happens.
What am I missing?Thanks!
I simply grab the youtube url and paste it into the post. The software does the rest.
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I nominate this thread for a Golden Ramiumpton Award.
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8 hours ago, savedwheat said:
I couldn't get into that other thread. It doesn't let me in.
I'm finding an issue when running on Chrome in my tablet that it only allows me to edit a post once and then after that I hit save and it does nothing. I often have to go in and fix the autocorrect mistakes and spelling issues. :S
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8 hours ago, savedwheat said:
They are never going to repent.
Jonah repented after he died and went to hell.
Jonah 2
1 Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish’s belly,
2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.
And the Lord released him from hell.
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6 hours ago, savedwheat said:
Bible teaches if you are not saved before you die, you will never be saved. Anyone who goes to Hell stays in Hell forever.
No baptizing for the dead. That's entirely delusional.
Yet another fundamentally flawed misreading of Scripture by our new narcissistic friend.
For those who "go to hell to remain in hell forever"... as savedwheat hypothesizes... hell has to remain forever... yet what do the scriptures tell us...
Rev 20
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Hell at some future point is emptied of souls and ceases to exist. So we know savedwheat is misreading scripture here.
We also know that Jonah went to hell and his Spirit remained conscious and he prayed and repented and he "escaped" hell.
Jonah 2
1 Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish’s belly,
2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.
How was Jonah able to repent AFTER he was drowned in the sea and found himself in hell?
PS. Faith IS a work.
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Just now, Jim Stiles said:
Here:
I'm not seeing the word "truine" in any of those verses. I do see 3 beings working in unity with each other.
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21 minutes ago, savedwheat said:
Remember He emptied Himself of His independent attributes to be likeness of flesh for us. This is not to say He won't always know. He likely knows the minute He returns now that He is at the right hand of the Father. He is still the fullness of the Godhead bodily all God could be in bodily form.
'Likely knows'... you're speculation and mis reading scriptures again I see.
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vv.8,23 “Upon the good ground”—That is, upon a good heart, one that obeys God’s will. “Understandeth” means to understand in the spirit. For fruit bearing, more than faith is required. A hundredfold is perfect; sixty passes the half way mark; thirty is below half; but any below thirty is insignificant. Though the heart is good, there may yet be hindrance.
Yep theres the 3 degrees of glory.
Telestial
Terestrial
Celestial
All the others above they do "believe" and are "saved" but tgey fall from tgat salvation because they lac works.
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Just now, savedwheat said:
Not at all. All sowing remained saved. Just different kinds of Christians from carnal to spiritual.
That's not what the parable says.
The only "saved believers" are those who bare fruit (aja good works) for the Lord.
14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares andriches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit toperfection.
15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honestand good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forthfruit with patience.
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Just now, savedwheat said:
Your scriptures conflict with the Bible that salvation, that is, initial, which can never be lost, is a once for all.
Contradicts the parable of the sower sorry.
13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
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8 minutes ago, savedwheat said:
Nothing in the Bible about salvation after you die. You're asleep get resurrected judged. You won't repent if you rejected Jesus before you died.
If you are "asleep" before you get ressurected and judged. Why was lazarus and the rich man conversing with the Lord?
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Just now, savedwheat said:
Sorry I don't see that. You're misreading it. It agree with John 10.28 "they shall never perish".
And yet even Peter is dead and buried.
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I wonder how lazarus was "awake" without his body?
Luke 16
19 ¶There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetimereceivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulffixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and theprophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
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Just now, savedwheat said:
Since Jesus is God and Father is God then this is the Trinity.
Since Jesus created all things then the Trinity must be true otherwise He did not create all things.
Jesus is I AM so is the Father so that is the Trinity.
Jesus is the Alpha and Omega but so is the Father so that is the Trinity.
Only the uncreated Creator has the power to atone for sins so that is the Trinity.
If Christ is "one being" with his father then he suffers from dimensia. Because not even he knows when his second coming will be.
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All one need do is read Ezekiel 18 to see the cycle of a Believer falling away and regaining salvation only to fall again and then regain it again through repentance. Something savedwheet says is "weird".
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Just now, savedwheat said:
John 10.28 disagrees with you "they shall never perish". It would be a weird kind of salvation if you could get saved, lose it, get it back, lose it again, on and on.
Nobody believes for awhile but gave their life to Christ to be kept so He always keeps them believing.
You can't crucify anew that's the point.
So then you are calling Christ a liar then because he says there are some who do just that in the parable of the sower.
He says "saved people" can lose their salvation here too unless they mantain their "good works".
Rev 2
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
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Just now, savedwheat said:
Christians don't crucify Jesus anew.
Be burned—This fits in well with what 1 Corinthians 3.15 says about God’s fire burning up the person’s work. Such a person is like a living garbage can in which are stored many unclean things that will be purified through the fire.
We should rejoice on the one hand and be warned on the other. Our salvation is safe and secure on the one side, yet on the other side we will receive punishment if we do not behave. Although such punishment is not permanent, we shall have no part in the millennial kingdom.
To sum up, then, Hebrews 6.1-3 states that the foundation is not to be laid again; verses 4-6 explain that it is impossible to again lay the foundation from whence a believer has fallen but there must be a rising up, since there is no possibility of going back to renew his first repentance; and verses 7 and 8 conclude that one should not misbehave, because he will surely be punished if he persists.
If they 'believe for a while' as the parable says and then let temptation over come them... yes they do "crucify christ a new". And the "fall from grace".
OSAS is a develish heresy.
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1 minute ago, savedwheat said:
In this parable the ground is the heart. Everyone is saved except those the side falls on the wayside. These are different kinds of believers but they still all believe. None ever lose salvation.
Those who "crucify Christ a new" don't lose Salvation?
Not according to Hebrews 6:8
but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.
Believers who fail to bring forth "Works (aka fruits) to Perfection" are cadt into the fire.
"Once saved always saved" is a devilish myth.
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Just now, savedwheat said:
Salvation by works is further seen in an Apostate Mormon going to Hell whereas in Christianity once saved always saved "they shall never perish" (John 10.28).
If your interpretation is correct then Jesus parable is a lie.
Luke 8
4 ¶And when much people were gathered together, and were come to him out of every city, he spake by a parable:
5 A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.
6 And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.
8 And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
9 And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be?
10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares andriches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit toperfection.
15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honestand good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forthfruit with patience.
These people hear the word... accept the holy spirit into their heart... are "saved" in every sense of the word and yet still find away to "fall away" from salvation.
And this verse is redundant...
Heb 6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of theworld to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
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5 minutes ago, savedwheat said:
Nothing beside God so God alone.
Since Jesus is God and Father is God they are one being.
Jesus created all things so completely alone.
First time God created, first time time began. It's irrelevant if He created another timeline for something else as that would be meaningless speculation.
http://wordcategory.blogspot.com/2014/07/difference-between-alone-only-lonely.html
There is a difference
Alone
"Alone" is used to say 'without anyone or anything else'.- He was all alone.
- The shoes alone cost £100.
- I don't like going out alone at night.
Only
"Only" is used to say 'unique of something'.- It was the only way that we could do it.
- Kevin was the only person to complain.
Lonely
"Lonely" is a feeling. For example you are feeling lonely because you miss someone. You can be alone without being lonely, and vice versa.- He was lonely without his wife and children.
- She was a lonely child with few friends.
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Why Do Mormons Reject Jesus Created All Things?
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God created Jesus. So ALL things isn't really ALL things.