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Just now, Diamondhands69 said:

Nope but two people who claimed with a lot of confidence that the GTE got mentioned in those talks were flat out wrong. And you are one of em. 
 

neither of you have read them otherwise you would have known right off the topics you cited are not from the infamous essays. 

so you are wrong then, just say it already. So two people aren't the church but now we're suppose to believe we are the church, delusional.

I have read them, I haven't memorized them and you seem to think that I am suppose to have. Nonsense

4 minutes ago, Diamondhands69 said:

Uhh did you listen to snow? He said it wasn’t publicized. He said it, not dehlin. 
 

and still. You don’t know what these essays even are . It is really something to come here and act like these got broadcast to the world yet you don’t know what they are. You are a real piece of work. 

Elder Snow said we are to know the essays and to share it with our friends. You can't handle the truth that exmormons have been lying to you and you eat that Dehlin et al garbage up, I hope you didn't send him any money.

"You are a real piece of work"

There is a lot of that going around

3 minutes ago, Diamondhands69 said:

There is a difference. No one listens to CES curriculum. BKP also delivered a famous talk to CES which is virtually unknown among members . In this talk he admonished CES instructors to not share the truth about church history if it isn’t faith promoting. If you look up church definitions of lie, lying, integrity etc you will see BKP essentially told the CES instructors to lie to our kids. 
 

 

this is pure delusion, plain and simple. I hope you aren't setting yourself up to be some kind saviour to rescue the church or some other nonsense

I thought you were moving on?

3 minutes ago, Diamondhands69 said:

No one heard this talk cept the folks that teach seminary and institute. 

and from the sources that used his talk? You don't know how to read or?

4 minutes ago, Diamondhands69 said:

even you still don’t know what the gospel topics essays are

except that I do and you don't know what I know. I watched Pres. Ballard's talk back in 2016. Were you too busy that night? doing what?

5 minutes ago, Diamondhands69 said:

He failed at his mission if your knowledge of the agates is any indicator of the success of the delivery of the message. 

this is gobblygook and is meaningless, agates?  Not that I care one iota what you think or think you think but if I don't get something then Pres. Ballard failed? That is so ridiculous

4 minutes ago, Diamondhands69 said:

Well that is two in a row… members of this board who do not know what the gospel topics essays are. 
 

The church has done a bang up job making sure everyone knows about them lol 

 

https://www.Mormon*******.***/portfolio-items/elder-steven-e-snow-lds-gospel-topics-essays-not-advertisex/

 

from your nonsense, Elder Snow said

"If you haven’t had a chance to look at those essays, we’d enc[o]urage you to do so and share them with your friends."

The hypocrisy of Dehlin and others like him, they want the church to comment on the issues, the membership to know about these issues then the church comes out with something and they don't like it. Well, Dehlin is going bellyup anyways so his opinion is garbage anyways

1 minute ago, Diamondhands69 said:

Well that is two in a row… members of this board who do not know what the gospel topics essays are. 
 

The church has done a bang up job making sure everyone knows about them lol 

 

https://www.Mormon*******.***/portfolio-items/elder-steven-e-snow-lds-gospel-topics-essays-not-advertisex/

 

two people constitute the church now? how delusional are you?

9 minutes ago, Diamondhands69 said:

That article was not directed at the general membership of the church although they are available to the membership. 

distinction without a difference

2 minutes ago, Diamondhands69 said:

Neither one of those quotes are from the “gospel topics essays”

 

these are the GTEs. The church has done a great job keeping them from you too lol. 

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays?lang=eng

is your back hurting from moving the goalposts from Pres. Ballard? it must be!

• "Master the content of the Gospel Topics essays."
• https://rsc.byu.edu/vol-17-no-3-2016/study-faith
• " “know the content in these essays like you know the back of your hand.”
• https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/church/news/help-build-unwavering-faith-in-students-lives-elder-ballard-tells-ces-teachers?lang=eng
•  
• "The church has done a great job keeping them from you too"

you've really outdone yourself not looking for them being used and said over the pulpit, keeping yourself hidden

53 minutes ago, Diamondhands69 said:

if the church wants us to read them, they would tell us so over the pulpit, in conference and in their emails we get sent for other things. 
 

Which has been TWICE in General Conference, one by Elder Golden and Elder Cook. in 2021 Conference. I guess being from a "power Mormon family" you are too busy basking in the glow of your own light not to notice that. Besides of which it was done by then Pres. Ballard in 2016, were you too busy eating at Dunkin Donuts not to notice? I thought you weren't active so who really cares what you think anyways

Elder Marcus B. Nash is Executive the Director with a David Weidman as managing director. 

https://www.thechurchnews.com/2021/7/22/23218269/inside-church-headquarters-missionary-executive-council-temple-family-history-priesthood-family

Elder Kevin R. Duncan is in charge of the Temple admin Dept. 

Given that the IIRC an Apostle oversee each of these departments, with the First Presidency being responsible for all of it.

https://www.thechurchnews.com/2021/10/12/23265586/church-news-podcast-reimagining-missionary-work-elder-nash

We never watched any videos in our class 

7 minutes ago, TheTanakas said:

Does this mean the Book of Mormon is no longer the best book 
to understand the plan of salvation?

if you gain a testimony and attend the class then you can find out for yourself and that is significant

21 minutes ago, smac97 said:

I think you are misconstruing my use of the word "suspect."

My "eternal glory" will not, I think, hinge on me having a perfect and complete understanding of D&C 130:2.

that's true or anyone's interpretation of it, mine for you or you for mine

22 minutes ago, smac97 said:

And yet the "sociality" here will be "eternal," not "mortal" (because, I think, it is "coupled with eternal glory").

meaning if you are say involved in a SSM here or "sociality" here this verse says you would be SSM in the next life or have "eternal glory" it's the same here as it is the same over. Or as it says in the Book of Mormon, Alma 34:34 the same spirit that you die with will have "power to possess" you in the next life" besides arguing against temple work why wouldn't this apply to sexuality?

29 minutes ago, smac97 said:

First, I reject the notion of sexual orientation as a state of being.

as opposed to what? a state of non being like asexuality?

30 minutes ago, smac97 said:

Fourth, I think our "sociality" will change much in the way that our physical bodies will change.  Our bodies will not be literally and precisely "the same" as they exist now.  See, e.g., here: What are resurrected bodies like?

I get that, as God is the father of billions if not more spirits but sexuality isn't your body either, you could make someone a eunuch and they would still sexually desire someone

32 minutes ago, smac97 said:

Yes.  We all have the same opportunity to obey God and obtain blessings from him.

true, as 99.9% of people who have never heard of the church, in this life, or who have a negative opinion of it will find out the truth in the next life, Wonderful "opportunity" for almost everyone, it is like God doesn't think too much of his plan for his children, or his children choosing his plan, it's offered to hardly anyone, ever really. It's like you're gay here, die, go to the next world and be told

well, there's a test you need to see if you would be obedient but the same sociality you had there or the same spirit you possessed there exists here, so you've failed it and so your punishment is having your sexuality changed, good luck!

44 minutes ago, smac97 said:

I can't speak to such imponderables, or to your judgment of them.

but let's give it a go because "eternal glory" hangs in the balance but actually you do "speak to such imponderables", see below

46 minutes ago, smac97 said:

There are many trials and difficulties that the Lord gives His children during this life.  Some of them, I respectfully submit, are as or more difficult than keeping the Law of Chastity.

even the Lord said it isn't good for man to be alone but apparently he told his church something else

The Lord also revealed in D&C 130:2, "And that same sociality which exists among us here will exist among us there, only it will be coupled with eternal glory, which glory we do not now enjoy."

Why can't the "same sociality" that exists for homosexuals here exist in the next life? and "coupled with eternal glory"? 

one thing too, this may have been brought up, but when I say "Deck-al" it's more pronounced "Deck-ull" whereas people who say "dee-cal" it's more pronounced, "dee-cal" but not like "call" 

I say "deck-al". it isn't a word I say often though

3 minutes ago, Diamondhands69 said:

It served me better than the anecdotal evidence you provided. Mine was backed up by church policy and yours was disproved by the same policy. 

you obviously missed it but your "opinion" is completely worthless to me so whatever

take care or take off

26 minutes ago, Diamondhands69 said:

You don’t do well when empirical evidence proves you to be wrong.
 

take care

you don't do well to realize it isn't 1955 anymore and your anecdotal evidence fallacy doesn't serve you well

1 hour ago, Diamondhands69 said:

Yep I agree church leaders don’t follow the book… just like the seventy you quoted. He apparently doesn’t know what it even says. 
 

doesn’t change the fact the content of each blessing is the stake president’s business… well at least according to the prophet. if the SP is  doing his job, he will review each blessing whether you like it or not. He can also choose to not review it, just like the seventy said who was running his mouth spreading bad info. One thing  that guy needs to learn is as a senior leader to never make public statements contrary to church doctrine or policy. Annnnnd needs to realize anytime he speaks in a church setting he represents church policy. If it his opinion SPs are not to read the blessings than prob a good idea to state it is personal opinion. If you don’t know the policy don’t make one up. 

 

odds are that seventy used to be a stake pres and probably didn’t review the blessings as a matter of how he did or didn’t do his job. Why he told someone  blessings are not reviewed is beyond me, but he is clearly wrong. It is church policy to do so regardless if some do it or not. 
 

 

in other words, they don't follow the book but do follow the book because you grew up in Stake Pres. house, got it.

4 hours ago, Diamondhands69 said:

Your seventy needs to check himself… 

“At least twice a year, the stake president reviews the blessings the patriarch has given. As needed, he may make general suggestions about the content of the patriarch’s blessings.”

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/general-handbook/6-stake-leadership?lang=eng

 

 

 

that doesn't mean anything, you even said yourself that 

"I hope you don’t believe majority actually follow the book. I have lived in the inner workings at higher than sp level and I can say with utmost confidence the manual is nothing but a guideline. The odds of being held to account for not following it are pretty low. "

4 hours ago, Diamondhands69 said:

Dude I grew up in a stake pres household.  Know their job and the politics too. It is their business. The SP is the patriarch’s supervisor. 
 

Now who is wrong?

who cares what they did 50 years ago? things change, if they ever did it at all

you are still wrong

3 minutes ago, Diamondhands69 said:

Are you saying the stake pres cannot review a patriarchal blessing? 

I am saying you're wrong. Why on God's green earth would a Stake President review someone's PB? it isn't any of their business

2 hours ago, Diamondhands69 said:

Yep- stake pres reviews every single one of them. Someone else above ?? Mebbe

that isn't true at all. Someone asked this at Priesthood leadership meeting sometime ago and the Seventy said nope they don't. The Patriarch gets interviewed or met with by the Stake President but they don't review the blessings given. Your info is outdated