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  1. There are hundreds of Christian denominations including Mormonism. How many of these denominations did our Heavenly Parents decide to give priesthood authority? How many Christian denominations use priesthood authority from God to baptize their members? The thread is, interconnectedness of the Christian faith. If we’re interconnected like so many here now believe, why doesn’t Heavenly Father share at least a little teeny weeny bit of authority with at least one other Christian denomination?
  2. How do we have a common Christian history? We believe our church and the true priesthood was removed from the earth so it could be protected until the time was right and it could be restored on earth again. Isn’t that the truth? Brigham Young said “”with a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world.”” He also said “” The time came when paganism was engrafted into Christianity, and at last Christianity was converted into paganism rather than converting the pagans. And subsequently the priesthood was taken from among men, this authority was recalled into the heavens, and the world was left without the priesthood, without the power of God, without the church and kingdom of God.”” For 1700 some years our Heavenly Parents kept the true gospel protected and locked away in a storage unit somewhere in the heavens so it couldn’t be corrupted by the “Christianity” found here on earth during that period. That’s why when we knock on doors and find out the person answering the door is a Christian, we still try to convert them to Mormonism, correct?
  3. A few hours ago on a thread in the Social Hall I made a statement that we, mormons, don’t fully accept the name of Christ through baptism. Of course I was called a troll and thread banned. So my question is, do we fully accept the name of Christ through baptism or is it a life long process like Elder Bednar explains in the video provided? I’ve always thought this subject was a major difference between Mormons and Christians. Am I not understanding him correctly? Because what he explains starting at the 1:10 mark, is exactly what I was taught in church, that accepting Christ fully is a lifelong process. When we were young we would joke on Christians for thinking Christ’s grace was 100% free, that we didn’t have to put some skin in the game.
  4. Also, do you realize non Mormon Christians believe they take upon the name of Christ fully once they accept he’s Lord and Savior? We on the other hand don’t fully take upon the name of Christ at baptism, for us it’s a process, depending on our works.
  5. “”My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects were right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, then I asked the person who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong, and which I should join. I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong, and the person to who address me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight, but those professors were all corrupt, that, they drew near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they denied the power there of. he again for bade me to join with any of them. “” Joseph Smith There’s only a couple places in the scriptures or in the writings of Joseph Smith where God repeats himself. Why did God repeat himself when he told Joseph not ti join any of the “Christian” sects here on earth? Here’s a video of Elder Bernar explaining how one becomes a Christian. He says a person becomes a Christian by accepting ordinances and covenants of the LDS church. Is he wrong Bluebell? Go to the 1:40 mark.
  6. We define ourselves as THE ONLY CHRISTIANS. Remember, we believe the priesthood along with Christ true church was removed from earth shortly after The original prophets died. The earth was blanketed in darkness until Joseph Smith restored Christ true church. Let me ask you this. The poster that started this thread is a believing Orthodox Christian, is his Christianity, his belief in Christ enough to make sure he will live with God after he dies? Remember, he’s a Christian!
  7. I’m just being honest. Read what Calm just wrote! You see, what I said made her uncomfortable because it’s true. We Mormons work our way into heaven, that’s what sets us apart from Christians. Most Mormons probably don’t believe like I do and if the do, they won’t admit it because it will go against everything they’ve been indoctrinated with since birth. I believe my relationship with Christ is the most important relationship I can work on and that has absolutely nothing to do with the Mormon church. It has absolutely nothing to do with a bishop, stake president and definitely not a prophet. My relationship with Christ doesn’t rely on me wearing certain underwear, not cussing, not drinking coffee, reading scripture everyday. My relationship with Christ is personal and there’s no other relationship like the one I have with him because everyone has a unique relationship with Christ, no two are the same. One of the biggest traps in Mormonism is thinking that someone who isn’t Mormon doesn’t have the opportunity to live with God because they’re not Mormon. Mormonism is an outline to live a lifestyle that if lived correctly can bring you comfort, health and close family ties. Joseph Smith knew this, that’s why he structured Mormonism they way he did. But if lived incorrectly, so orthodox the believer is blinded, Mormonism can also be the undoing of everything that’s good in life. To many Mormons see Christ as the janitor that comes out of his little janitor closet when they make a mess of life, then he returns to his closet once he’s cleaned up the mess. To answer your question, to me Mormonism is a lifestyle, an outline to happiness. My relationship with Christ has nothing to do with Mormonism.
  8. Unlike Christians, Mormons have two Devine relationships, first, the relationship with the church itself (the priesthood) along with all it’s legalese, the stuff that actually gets you into heaven, and secondly our relationship with Christ. Look at it this way! Mormons find great comfort in being under contract with the church. The church says, eat and drink this, don’t eat and drink that, say these words, don’t say those words, wear this underwear, don’t wear that underwear, Etc, etc! The contracts (covenants) we make with the church are what make our church unique.We are a work based church. The more faithful we are to the contract we are bound by, the more likely we are to get into VIP heaven, the only heaven that matters! The more orthodox the Mormon, the more important the contract is and the less important our relationship with Christ is? Orthodox Mormons rely heavily on the contract. Garments become really important, so does language, what foods you do/don’t consume, church attendance is extremely important, temple attendance, callings are important, and much much more. The more orthodox you become, the more you start thinking life is about you being in a big arena, and all your dead relatives are watching you from above, so it’s YOUR job to be on YOUR best behavior so they don’t see YOU sin. You see, in Mormonism, perfection is attainable and the Mormon is the one who controls the outcome, Christ is there for moral support. That’s the biggest pitfall in the Mormon church! It’s really really easy to lose focus and forget about Christ. So that’s why members “legally” remove their name from church records. It’s to null and void the contract made with the church.
  9. I don’t see the world as black or white. Same with building a house. Walls are rarely perfectly plumb and floors are rarely perfectly level. There’s a lot of grey area when building a house, kinda like life. Have you ever set an interior door in a rough opening? If so, is it more important for the door & frame to be perfectly plumb & level or is it more important for the reveal between the door and frame to look perfect even though that might mean the frame is out of plumb a 1/4 inch? Life is the same way! Nothin is ever perfect.
  10. It matters a lot! Two times a year the prophet stands at the podium and addresses the entire world. We believe this man speaks for God. We believe this man has been given the keys to the priesthood, more than any other man on earth. We believe he can prophesy, see what’s going to happen in the future and then reveal what he’s seen. He, more than anyone else on earth stands next to Jesus Christ and has regular contact with super natural beings. As Mormons, this is what we believe! I’m sorry, but In my opinion the prophet, the one man on earth that has been blessed with abilities and gifts no other man or woman possesses should be the one man that can stand at a podium and give a talk without reading off a teleprompter. Also, talks by all the speakers in General Conference are becoming more bland over time. It’s as if our mormon leaders have decided to move us into “survival mode” and strip everything that’s controversial to the rest of the world from our doctrine, our lifestyle. in the past 50 years there’s been over 3000 General Conference talks and everyone of them has been read from a teleprompter. I’m sorry, but we believe the Holy Ghost directs us what to say and what to do. We rely on his guidance, don’t we? Again, is the guidance we receive from the Holy Ghost so weak a prophet can’t give a talk without writing it down first? Instead of running to the Christian’s tent to seek shelter, shouldn’t we be doing the opposite? Shouldn’t General Conference talks be getting bolder and explaining why we’re different?
  11. Of course the spirit could. But at some point a prophet needs to be a prophet. A seer needs to be a seer and a revelator needs to start revelating. The mouth piece of God, more than any other person on earth should be able to stand at a podium and speak without having to write down what he’s going to say beforehand. As if God is speaking to us through the prophet at the very time the prophet is speaking.
  12. Basically what you’re saying is, the Holy Ghost is so weak, insignificant, the mouth of God (prophet) can’t give a talk in General Conference without it being full of mistakes? Really? Is that where Mormonism has sunk to? What does it mean to be a prophet? What does it mean to be a seer? What does it mean to be a revelator? On average there’s 30 to 40 talks given in General Conference. Wouldn’t it be nice to have just one given that wasn’t pre-written?
  13. I understand your point, I really do. But shouldn’t a prophet of God be able to stand in front of God’s children and be promoted by the Holy Ghost? Should’nt the words roll off his tongue without reading from a teleprompter? I’m behind serious when I ask you this. If Jesus returns in your lifetime and he addresses the world at the podium from General Conference, would you not be a little disappointed if he’s reading from a teleprompter? It would make me question a lot of things.
  14. Yes! One of my favorite talks by him. Don’t have time to link to it now, but he says something like “ brethren, there are 225,000 of you here tonight, 225,000 of you may become Gods.” What upsets me so much, what I can’t understand, is lately it seems Mormons are scared if someone mentions what Mormonism actually teaches. It almost like like we’re trying so hard to sqeeeeze our way into the tent of Christianity, we’re willing to sacrifice what makes us unique.
  15. It’s not just you. One of the reasons I turned to the internet was because I’m very frustrated at how everything I loved about the church is being thrown overboard so the ship won’t sink. Our church is being stripped down to the bare minimum. My whole perspective changed once I was made to feel guilty for saying the word Mormon. That upsets me soooo much! As far as talks go, yes, they’re being stripped down to the bare minimum as well. Anything that could be used against the speaker negatively on the internet isn’t being used in the talk. Did you know every single General conference talk all the way back to the 1970s is read from a teleprompter? Why? What’s the HolyGhost good for if you’re reading a talk from a teleprompter? It’s as if the leaders are trying their hardest to strip everything that’s unique about Mormonism and throw it in the trash.
  16. No! Let me say that again. No! Just the opposite actually. Most people that leave the church realize while they were living a Mormon lifestyle, they were full of pride and never realized how judgemental they were until leaving the church. We Mormons are a very good at flipping on a dime once we hear someone has left the church. As far as concrete guidance for gay church members, they need to follow their heart and not the advice of any man. We’re not here to follow a mortal man.
  17. Oh wow!! Basically, you’re saying nah nah a booboo we are better than you? Question. If we actually believe the Christians are actually Christians, why do we still try to convert them to Mormonism? If they’re our brothers and sisters in Christ, why don’t the missionaries walk away and not try to convert someone once it’s found out they’re Christian? Let me help you with the answer! ”” What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world”. Joseph Smith “” …all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, with out one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels.”” Joseph Smith Mormonism teaches we are the Christians. This was always taught, well, at least till the internet screwed everything up.
  18. If they’re real Christians then what’s the point of having Mormon missionaries teach them the gospel of Jesus Christ? Back in 2016 I think, Elder Oaks said the only way any of us can make it back to our heavenly parents is to accept the teachings of Jesus Christ. Do our heavenly parents share priesthood authority with any other denomination besides The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints? Is a “Christian” baptism binding in heaven? Because I was taught “Christian” baptism is meaningless in the eyes of God. That’s why we have a missionary program. GingerRed, take a listen to this talk from Elder Oaks. He pretty much spells out that “Christianity” the Christianity our early prophets thought was hatched in hell, Oaks explains at the 13:40 mark that anyone who doesn’t reach the Celestial kingdom will find themselves damned in a lesser kingdom. He then goes on to explain that there’s not one “Christian” minister that can get you to the Celestial Kingdom. He also says “good Christian living” can’t help you make it back to our heavenly parents. You see! We Mormons believe Mormonism is the only path back to our heavenly parents. We are a very legalistic church. Wouldn’t you agree?
  19. Mormons don’t believe “Christians” are the “real Christians” because the gospel was removed from the earth shortly after the last apostle died some 2000 years ago. Growing up I was taught my Christian family members were following the teachings of satan. We Mormons still believe that to this day. Why else do we have a missionary program? Because to us, anything less than the celestial kingdom is a form of damnation. Yes, the terrestrial and telestial kingdoms are kingdoms of damnation. “” Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth.” Brigham Young. ””both Catholics and protestants are nothing less than the whore of Babylon whom the Lord announces by the mouth of John the revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornication and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive the holy ordinances of the gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them unless they repent”” Orson Pratt
  20. Buy him a beer, everything will be ok.
  21. This makes absolutely no sense Robert. Are you saying Joseph Smith lived a form plural marriage the next six prophets of the church didn’t live? Because the next six prophets after Joseph all had children with multiple women. It’s more likely Joseph didn’t have children because he used the “pull out” method while having sex because he knew having children with multiple women would sink the church while still in the United States. Also remember, he was running for President, he had to deny polygamy if he wanted to be elected. You see how lying comes in handy sometimes, even prophets take advantage.
  22. Yeah, but our Heavenly Parents want him to lie. That’s his calling. He was chosen by our Heavenly Parents to be opposition in all things. Remember this, “ it must needs be, that there is an opposition in all things”. Satan, our brother, is extremely important and you should probably be thanking him for accepting such a crappy calling from our Heavenly Parents.
  23. As mortals living here on earth, we have absolutely no idea what exalts a person in the next stage of our existence. Personally, I think exaltation might be as simple as truly understanding we don’t understand. That is a very very hard concept for most to understand. Understand?
  24. He did! Thanks for asking. Actually he just got married. You want me to give you his contact information and you can ask him how he overcame his fear of women? If he can find a soulmate anyone can!
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