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  1. 1 hour ago, Calm said:

    reached a point where I don’t like you

    Well, I would never say I don't like you, but I'm sure there's a lot of people in your life you don't like.

    I've read through hundreds if not thousands of old threads on this forum and it's always the same handful of women who start attacking people if they don't agree or say something they deem out of line. I know Scott was kidding a couple months ago when he said, uh oh, the jackels are after me again, but he's correct, that's what it feels like. I'm sorry to say it but when you girls get together you can be down right cruel. 

        This poster is banned. There is too much to clean up so let's get back on topic. 


  2. 4 minutes ago, Raingirl said:

    I’m confident he completely understands how he is coming across, and that it is willful and intentional. And I don’t think it needs to be a troll OR misogynistic. I think it can be both. 

    I'm confident you don't understand how you come across to anyone with half a brain. When I pray tonight I'm thanking God for letting me live with women who think the exact opposite as you come across

  3. 8 minutes ago, Calm said:

    Accusations of criminal behaviour. Nice. 

    Just to be clear, I have a problem with how you express things. I have been hoping it is you just not understanding how you are coming across rather than actually being misogynistic. 

    From the second or third day I joined this forum I've been called all kinds names and been insulted and I think it's always been by a handful of women who act like they own this board. You guys are mean. I've tried to be upbeat, cheerful, compliment people and just be an all around good person. But a man  says one wrong sentence on here there is a group of women who won't let go until there's no more meat on the bone. One wrong sentence will derail a thread and send people off in a tizzy because you don't agree. It's ridiculous!! 

  4. 10 minutes ago, Calm said:

    that would cause me to avoid you in person

    Well, I decided months ago if you, raingirl or Julianne were in my ward, I would sell my house and move to a different stake because I wouldn't want my daughter's to be in any class you might teach in young women's. I don't believe in child abuse.

  5. 7 minutes ago, Rain said:

    One of the board rules with a call for references is that you supply the reference or withdraw what you said. Please show us where this has happened or withdraw it.

    You want me to prove women can float on clouds? Well I guess if you supply the cloud I'll see if you  could float on it. Might work, might not, who knows, I'm not a scientist, just a dumb roofer.

  6. 9 minutes ago, MorningStar said:
    • vulgar slang
      a stupid or ridiculous person.
    See? Way too heavy for a cake.

    Aaaahh shucks morning star! I teed that question up perfectly for you. I was hoping you would say, well Atlanticmike, if you really want to know why don't you look in the mirror dumb xss! 😂😂😂😂😂 That would of been great! Oh well😁 I'll keep tryin.

  7. Just now, MorningStar said:

    Predators suck. Amen. 

    Thank you morning star!!! That's all I wanted to hear. I was getting tired of the man bashing on this thread. 

           Young men are less likely to report any type of sexual abuse so we really don't know what percentage of women actually sexually assault young men and even young women. Do men do modt of the assaults, of course, I'm not denying that. But this pretending that women are innocent and are nothing but sweat angels floating on clouds while men are brute beast just dying to get into the women's locker room is ridiculous. Just about every man I know would go out of their way to protect any innocent child or women. 

  8. 14 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said:

    There are plenty of groups that have predators join up including Hollywood, pop culture, sports, politics, academia, the Olympics, etc. It seems that would better be addressed in another thread. 

    I’m trying to be upeat about something that has had significant positive impact on my life and my extended family from age 8 to now. If you want to tear it down feel free, but I won’t do it in this thread.

    👍    Scouts was a positive influence in my life also. Did you get your eagle?

  9. 12 minutes ago, bluebell said:

    Does anyone lamenting the loss of the foundational impact that the BSA had on American youth want to discuss its pedophile problem?  Because I don't see how we can honestly ignore that part of its legacy.

    Not all of the BSA's influence as been good.  



    Are you suggesting that it might of been a good idea for the church to of parted ways with the BSA because of sexual abuse? If so, then that kinda opens up the discussion about what we do with the sexual abuse inside other organizations like religions, including ours.

  10. 1 hour ago, Daniel2 said:

    , white women also emphasized that contact with black women in bathrooms would infect them with venereal diseases. White women refused to share bathrooms with black women throughout the South and also in places like Detroit, which was flooded with white and black Southern transplants during the war years. Claiming that racial integration with blacks would cause them to catch syphilis from shared toilet seats and towels in public restrooms, white women engaged in numerous labor strikes and walkouts to resist FEPC policies

    Dang , I was just telling calm about my aunt who refused to go in public bathrooms in fear of a black women had sat on the toilet seat. I can remember being in at a rest stop in the mountains of Virginia, I was probably 10 or so, and my aunt almost peed her pants because she wouldn't go in the bathroom. They made us kids go get drinks out if the vending machine so they could pull the van around back past the semi trucks so my aunt could squat down an pee on the ground. I'll never forget that day, it's seared into my brain.

         I don't know why some people are transgender. I personally feel like some people are possibly born with a chemica imbalance, possibly something happened in the womb. I also feel like some trans people are possibly dealing with certain trauma that happened to them and identifying as a different gender than what they see in the mirror because somehow they think it will relieve pain they can't figure out how get rid of. But that's all speculation on my part. 

        One thing I do know though is the pain and torment they live with daily because of feeling confused is probably more than I could bear. There's a lot of emotion being discussed on this subject, number one being fear of the unknown. Fear is an important emotion, it's helped keep us humans around for a long time on this floating rock. Fear is used by other people to control what we think in every part of our lives. Our parents use fear to raise us, some religions use fear to control us, politicians use fear to gain votes. Our brains are wired to make sure we stay alive at all cost, that's why change comes slowly for us humans. What we've been discussing for the past day and a half when it comes to the transgender issue has more to do with us heterosexuals understanding someone who is transgender isn't a threat to us or our loved ones, more than it has to do with figuring out why someone is trans. 

         I've said this before but I'm going to say it again. I knew my daughter was gay before she did, I accepted it before she did. Being a very conservative Mormon guy I realized what was in store for my daughter years before she ever told my wife and I she was gay. So I started preparing her for the day she wanted to tell us she is attracted to women. But one thing I've never told you about is how I had to prepare myself. I knew if I wanted to be there for my daughter for the rest of my life I had to come to grips with the fact that if my daughter was actually gay, I basically had two choices, accept her for who she is or risk losing a very important relationship because of a circumstance I can't control. So I chose to accept her. It's the best decision I have ever made in my life so far. The hardest part though was changing my long held perception of what a gay person really was. Early in my life they were pure sin, agents of the devil. I was taught this early on. I had to come to grips with what was actually real, and what I was actually letting fear tell me what I percieved as "real".

          I view the transgender issue the same way. Most of what we hear from both sides of the isle is total bullxxxx when it comes to the transgender issue. The issue is a political pawn and they're using it to scare and manipulate people on both sides. The actual people who suffer the most are the transgender individuals themselves. 

        Personally, I think it's best to understand that we don't understand.


  11. 22 minutes ago, Calm said:

    Is college considered a safe space?  If not, kind of irrelevant to the conversation. 

    I'm trying to follow your logic about a locker room being a safe space for women. If a locker room is a safe space, why shouldn't a college campus be? It seems to me if you had male only and female only colleges, on campus sexual assaults should go way down. True?


  12. 6 minutes ago, Calm said:

    is it unreasonable for a less violent population to be concerned about being required to mix with a more violent population when they are in high vulnerability situation?

    Serious question calm, because I'm trying to understand where you're coming from. So I just read a bunch of articles on how 20 to 30% of college females have been a victim of some kind of sexual assault. Do  you think it would be a good idea to have male only and female only colleges? 


  13. 22 minutes ago, smac97 said:

      He went there.  The go-to distraction these days: accuse the other side of racism. 

    I didn't see him accuse anyone of racism. In my opinion he was pointing out that when societal norms are being tested, even changed, there's a lot of fear involved, just like back in the 50s and 60s when it came to blacks moving into white neighborhoods. I had an aunt that passed away a couple years ago at the age of 93. She wouldn't use a public bathroom unless she absolutely had to because she feared a black woman might of sat on the toilet seat. Like I said in another post, gay men were portrayed as unhealthy to society for the longest time, I would hope no one on here still believes that. And now trans women are being portrayed as unsafe to be around on a religious gorum that stands for loving all of God's children. 

        Im assuming what he was trying to convey was the "fear factor" of a new norm, not trying to paint anyone as racist. But I think you already understand that.


  14. 19 minutes ago, Chum said:

    Based on East Coast experiences, I was glad to see the Church get out of Scouting for Scouting's sake

    The church leaving the BSA was probably the final deathblow to scouts. I don't see it lasting much longer. Also, the interest in scouting just wasn't there anymore, I spent a large portion of my time telling boys to turn off their stupid phone. I could be wrong, but it also seemed like in the last 10 or so years, the attention span of the boys I taught wasn't long enough to listen for more than 5 minutes. Maybe that's me just becoming an old fogey, who knows.

  15. 50 minutes ago, juliann said:

    I'm pretty shocked at your disregard for women,

    In the 1950s gay men were often depicted by government and media as child molesters. In 1974 the Florida legislature warned people about the supposed danger of gay men in public bathrooms and how gay men posed a threat to health and mental well being to a large portion of the population. 

        Don't even get me started on the fear some white people had back about using the same bathroom as a black person. A large percentage of whites thought black people were unclean and dangerous.

       I'm not scared of people in the LGBT community, how bout you?

  16. 1 hour ago, bsjkki said:


    My daughter is a lesbian and she's attracted to females, should she be allowed to shower with other women? All kinds of articles online about women raping women. Marie Claire magazine plus many other sources  talks about women raping women. You should check out those articles as well.




  17. 32 minutes ago, bsjkki said:

    So you read an article and now your possibly convinced that the T in lgbtq are a bunch of sexually predators? Or possibly faking being trans ? If so, does that mean the other letters represented, L Lesbian, G Gay, B Bisexual and Q Queer, should I question if they're also possibly faking ?

  18. 15 hours ago, Calm said:

    A safe space is not just about being safe, but feeling safe as well. A woman will not see a shelter as an alternative to domestic abuse if she does not feel she would be safe there. Women who have been targets of harassment and abuse won’t venture to gyms, rec centers, public parks, etc if they don’t feel safe in the public or private restrooms and lockers they would need to use in order to have extended time away from home. 

    So transgender people are dangerous? Do you mean like back in the 60s and 70s when white women felt unsafe with black families moving into "their" neighborhoods? 


    PS. Came back to add this because I just read a new thread Scott started about the boy scouts. How do you feel about the Boy Scouts letting girls join a all male organization? Is that a safe situation? Let's say it's a troop of 15 males and 1 female, how safe is that? That's what I don't understand about this argument. You're arguing females have the right to fell "safe" meaning biological males are dangerous, but at the same time femenist are trying to break down any organization that is male only traditionally, even for young boys. 

      Using your logic, would college campuses be safer if we separated the sexes again in the name of safety? We could do an experiment, let's make University of Virginia all female and Virginia Tech all male. If rape and harassment claims go down then maybe we should try it throughout the USA, for safety.

  19. 2 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

    We are far enough removed from the Church’s historic withdrawal as a chartering organization from Scouting in the USA that I got curious about how it is doing. Not too well, according to this piece:


    The article doesn’t mention the severing of ties by the Church, but I’m thinking that could not have been good for the movement. 

    Lawsuits and political correctness killed the Boy Scouts. I get extremely upset everytime I think about it tell ya truth. 

  20. 14 minutes ago, rodheadlee said:

    LGBTQ, racism, climate change 

    LGBTQ, racism, climate change 

    LGBTQ, racism, climate change. 

    I really need to stop listening to NPR. It's a one and a half hour ride to work and a 2-hour ride home. I listen because they have excellent traffic reports.


    Spotify, rock out to your favorite music. By the way, that's a long trip for work man, dang! 

  21. 1 minute ago, Calm said:

    Be more specific if you want specifics kind of thing…

    Well, the conversation has been about what body parts makes some people uncomfortable in a locker room. So, if a transgender woman who has had surgery to look more like a woman uses a women's locker room, does that make you feel more comfortable in their presence? 

  22. 3 hours ago, Calm said:

    I don’t have time to discuss this right now, but putting it up so I don’t forget. I have been looking for data on transgender women in prisons and came across this that includes info on a study comparing women and transgender women who underwent surgery.  Perhaps it can provide some concrete data to base discussion of best practices on.


    I've only met a few transgender people in my life. Let me tell you a funny story. When I go surfing in the morning there's a spot where a group of 1 to 20 surfers will be in the water at a time. I'm sitting on my board and start talking to this dude next to me, he's about my age, and we hit it off, he's a cool dude, tells me about his wife and how she will come to the beach in the summer and watch him surf and let the kids play. We had a great conversation and when we walked to our vehicles I got dressed and walked over to his car, he was about 4 cars away, and I turn to talk to him and he's putting on women's clothes. It took about 3 or 4 seconds I guess to register in my brain what was actually going on in that moment, I could tell he was a laid back person, so in my weird sense of humor I said, xxck man, why are you borrowing your wife's clothes, is the washer broken😁. Well, immediately she started laughing and appreciated that I could make an awkward situation light-hearted and fun. She has no desire for any kind of surgery and lives as a woman. Through that friendship I've met someone who she's close to who has a very tough time mentally with being transgender and got a breast augmentation and has probably had more surgeries, I'm not sure though, haven't seen her in a while. 

          I have a question if you don't mind answering. Do you see a transgender female who hasn't had surgery differently than a transgender female who has? Please don't answer if it makes you uncomfortable. 


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