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  1. 1 hour ago, The Nehor said:


    People who complain about whataboutism are simply admitting that they aren't operating from any principal.  All you are doing is deflecting that you want to impose your preferences and act like it is a principled moral stand.

    Should we keep To Kill a Mockingbird?  What about Huck Finn?

  2. 9 hours ago, The Nehor said:

    The political right in the US is trying to split the LGBT+ community. They bought out the TERF movement to do it. The TERFs were always jerks but outside of their weird views on transgender people they were pro-feminism and pro-LGB rights.

    If you think it is only the political right who sees the danger of gender ideology, this Scottish lesbian would like to have a word with you:


    Also, pay attention to what is happening in the UK.  Tavistock being shut down.  Law suits starting up.  Let's hope the same comes to the US soon.

  3. 5 hours ago, ttribe said:

    Well that sure isn't obvious from your choice in memes.

    The point I'm trying to make is that this trans nonsense has literally caused the dire predictions of folks like @smac97come true. Gays and lesbians were just fine.  Marriage in place.  More and more acceptance.  And then gender trend came along and blew the whole thing up.

    It isn't a coincidence that a decline for "LGBT" rights began precisely when trans trenders started to appear.

  4. 1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

    You do know that the 80 year old ‘victim’ picked that fight right? She thought the employee’s voice was too masculine and demanded the employee share information about their genitalia and then started the whole thing by screaming transphobic slurs?

    If I saw a grown man in a changing room with women and girls, I'd get angry too.


  5. 3 hours ago, jkwilliams said:

    I have a hard time with the idea that we can ignore suicides among gay Latter-day Saints because the suicide rate in the church is comparable or lower than other populations.

    Of course.

    What I object to is people using the concept of suicide to emotionally manipulate people into agreeing with them. 

  6. 35 minutes ago, california boy said:

    We don't really know how many suicides have been by distraught LGBT members of the Church, which is why I only said some have taken this route.  I am not using Utah suicide data that requires some speculation rather than actual cases like those listed below.


    Are you really going to use a 50 yr old example to try and say anything about contemporary LDS practice?

  7. I hate how the threat of suicide is used to emotionaly blackmail people.  For all the folks claiming that the LDS position on homosexuality causes suicide need to prove that suicide rates among gay LDS are higher than non-LDS.  Or perhaps even just compare religious adherents.

    Unless and until someone can show that the LDS Church has a statistically significantly higher rate than other groups, GTFO with your blackmail.  Without this data there is absolutely zero basis to conclude the LDS Church influences -- let alone causes -- suicide.

  8. On 8/7/2022 at 2:42 PM, The Nehor said:

    If God did not take steps to make sure everyone’s sexuality was in conformity with His plan I see little reason to believe He was strict on avoiding all gender mistakes

    What is a gender mistake?  That a girl likes trucks?  That a boy likes frilly dresses?  Pink or blue?

    Clearly there are "mistakes" in regard to sex. As can be seen with rare conditions. But given that gender is essentially make believe, there can be no mistake.  Who decides?

  9. On 8/7/2022 at 2:25 PM, Fether said:

    “Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.”

    It is unfortunate that the word gender is used here, rather than sex.  Sex and gender are not the same thing. And given that gender is an entirely social artifact that places expectations upon males and females within a given society.


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