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  1. I would ask what we would expect such an action to look like, that we might notice it. What would be the tell that a spiritual force is acting on us? Let's look at your response to Ryan's comment about thoughts. This doesn't get at Ryan's objection. Carroll presents a well-formulated case for determinism but that doesn't address Ryan's point: that we can't identify thoughts (or mental states generally) by looking at such a level. I'll let Ryan run with that point but I'll take up my own here. We cannot identify thought without relying on subjective reports. How would we be able
  2. No, we need to make sure that our interpretations of observations are philosophically sound. Given that all interpretation in science proceeds from our philosophical priors, this exhortation gets the cart before the horse. Where are these references you speak of? Unless you're just referring to Carroll. Even so, his assertion does not establish the truth of that assertion. I don't believe that spiritual impressions must originate within your own brain any more than I believe that sight originates in our own brain. You keep saying "aren't" and "can't be" but the mere assertion of schol
  3. The argument for many NDEs is that they do, in fact, satisfy condition 3, and NDEs have been shown to make predictions which satisfy condition 1. Also the whole structure you have here is basically just garden-variety positivism.
  4. Believing that science can produce any beliefs without robust grounding in philosophy misses just as badly. All science is philosophical in nature, hence why it was originally known as "natural philosophy". Philosophy is the first thing we encounter when determining how to interpret findings anyhow. It's not like nature is self-interpreting.
  5. What is "superstition" to you is to me "a field of legitimate inquiry which gleefully steps on the toes of metaphysical positivism."
  6. Generally the ability to accurately predict and describe unexpected but verified phenomena is a sign of a veridical experience. NDE accounts from a variety of different religions don't eliminate these kinds of evidence which point to veridicality. Thanks for the contempt though. As for a scientific theory on NDEs, our understanding of the nature of sight presumes an embodied consciousness and fully functioning ocular and nervous system. Its applicability is thus limited to situations where those presumed conditions (embodied consciousness, fully functioning ocular and nervous syste
  7. All right then, have a good day. Perhaps one day I shall ascend to the levels of gnosis required to understand Carroll's arguments. @mfbukowski You're too kind.
  8. I know enough about quantum physics to know that the Standard Model has trouble explaining gravity, which proves problematic for Carroll's "complete physics" from the start. Carroll's approach, from what I can see of it, is to handwave it by asserting that "We don’t understand the full theory of quantum gravity, but we understand it perfectly well at the everyday level." This appears to me to be an unacceptable dodge. He's using the successes of Newtonian theory to cover for the fact that we don't know how the Standard Model and gravity work together. He's basically saying that "well, they jus
  9. I'd actually argue that the 11 reliable witnesses' statement cannot only tenuously be interpreted to mean that gold can float, since the gold is in fact on the ground in heaven (paving the streets) and heaven is not necessarily "floating in the sky" in a terrestrial sense. Therefore this whole analogy is a strawman. Also, for what it's worth, some comments: Dr. Paul Nelson happens to have a Ph.D in philosophy of biology and evolutionary theory from the University of Chicago, hardly a backwoods institution. He studies this professionally. Even if he does engage in wrongthink I would consi
  10. I'm no expert in this (and I wouldn't even say that I have a particularly strong interest), but what I want to see more of is research on sexual fluidity throughout life. If attractions actually change throughout life that would provide absolutely crucial data to the question of causation.
  11. I don't hold to EModE myself, mostly because I don't find it compelling in light of counterarguments. However, if that turns out to be what the evidence suggests, then I wouldn't think that the "why would God do X" questions" would be too troublesome. I tend to be a skeptical theist, which means that I'm immediately skeptical of human capacities to judge God's means, methods, or motives with any degree of epistemic confidence. In other words, I don't think "why would God do X" questions are all that useful.
  12. "Shall" can also be in the form of a command. Pretty much every standing command the Lord has ever given has been disobeyed so the usage stands.
  13. The reality of divine justice. I understand that injustice must exist but it's good to know that God will correct it and refine us to deal with it along the way.
  14. Within their rights? Yeah. My general philosophy is that people are within their rights to make whatever judgements they may on any given topic. Given that judgements are essentially opinions, the assertion that people might not have the right to hold certain opinions doesn't sit well with me. I do maintain a distinction between the right to do something and the goodness or badness of doing that thing.
  15. This misses so many points. Aside from the blatant condescension exhibited to believing members, none of this characterization is at all relevant. When we make judgements about how "exemplary", "strong and faithful", "admirable" others are, we do so based on characteristics which are visible and accessible to us. These are most often things like dedication, enthusiasm, kindness, serviceability, etc., as well as elements of orthopraxy like obedience to the commandments. Personal understanding of theology and doctrine are usually not among those unless the person we're referring to is b
  16. You're speaking my language. I have a rather eccentric British friend who told me to read Ride The Tiger. I haven't gotten around to it but I think he now fantasized about "riding the tiger" after everything goes to heck. I can't imagine God is super satisfied with the state of affairs in this place. As for traditionalism, I didn't even know places like St. Mary's existed, so that's kind of interesting. Everybody talks about polarization, the urban/rural divide, etc, but I think we're struggling to grasp the true meaning of these abstracts on our daily lives. We're essentially balkanizing as a
  17. Good point. I'm still an unwed college kid so that aspect of things escaped me completely.
  18. Thanks for posting the old mass. I love Catholic masses, though I can't understand a word that's said (and given my theological commitments perhaps that's for the best). But I'll readily confess that Gregorian chants are criminally underrepresented on the Billboard Top 100. Repeated application of the Benedict Option is part of my heritage. Of course, I'd call it the Brigham Option. 😉 I haven't read Dreher's book but I hope to do so. Sadly, I think your assessment is quite right. I am left to wonder how exactly our furious consumption will play out: will the consequences come fi
  19. Our most prominent measure of successful governance is GDP, which is calculated using consumption. So long as neoliberal economic prosperity remains the measure of good governance in our society, consumerism is destiny. I hate to say it but if we're going to shake consumerist philosophy and its externalities, we're going to have to shuck the idea that national and personal wealth is the measure of success. It's going to have to be a secondary concern or the Almighty Dollar's throne will be quite secure.
  20. In my experience we only explicitly acknowledge the Advent on the last Sunday before Christmas Day, which is called the "Christmas program". We have the sacrament and then after that comes a presentation of "music and the spoken word", as we call it. There's usually a reading of Luke 2. Definitely a few Christmas hymns performed with vocals or a variety of instruments. Occasionally a brief Christmas message or two are shared. That's the only real formal celebration of Christmas in our services, at least in my experiences. Some wards will do Christmas service projects, the youth groups almost a
  21. If Re is dumping beer everywhere, both of us have bigger problems to worry about
  22. There's textual evidence within the Book of Mormon which corroborates that Lehi did not live within Jerusalem's boundaries but in the countryside. Lehi is described as having a "land of his inheritance" (1 Nephi 2:4, 1 Nephi 3:22), which implies rural property as opposed to an urban dwelling. In 1 Nephi 3:22 we are told that the sons of Lehi "went down to the land of [their] inheritance" from the cleft in the rock in which they were hiding outside of Jerusalem, which indicates that their property was not only outside of Jerusalem but at a lower altitude. 1 Nephi 1:4 says that Lehi "dwelt at Je
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