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  1. What Mormons  teach about the birth of a handicapped  Child and minorities especially in third world countries, is one of favorite books to quote 😀

     

    "This privilege of obtaining a mortal body on this earth is seemingly so priceless that those in the spirit world, even though unfaithful or not valient, were undoubtedly permitted to take mortal bodies although under penalty of racial or physical or nationalistic limitations...." (Decisions for Successful Living pp 164-165) TLDP: 497- Harold B. Lee

     

     

    “There is no truth more plainly taught in the Gospel than that our condition in the next world will depend upon the kind of lives we live here. …Is it not just as reasonable to suppose that the conditions in which we now live have been determined by the kind of lives we lived in the pre-existent world of spirits? That the apostles understood this principle is indicated by their question to the Master when the man who was blind from his birth was healed of his blindness, ‘Master, who did sin, this man or his parents that he was born blind?’ (John 9:2.) Now perhaps you will have a partial answer to some of your questions as to why, if God is a just Father, that some of his children are born of an enlightened race and in a time when the Gospel is upon the earth, while others are born of a heathen parentage in a benighted, backward country; and still others are born to parents who have the mark of a black skin with which the seed of Cain were cursed and whose descendants were to be denied the rights of the priesthood of God”

    (Harold B. Lee, Decisions for Successful Living, pp. 164-165).

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  2. 8 hours ago, Okrahomer said:

    CFR please

    “In February 1974 Apostle Ezra Taft Benson was asked during an interview if a good Mormon could also be a liberal Democrat. Benson pessimistically replied: ‘I think it would be very hard if he was living the gospel and understood it.'”

     

    - LaVarr Webb, “Mormon Vote Makes Democrats Shiver,”, Deseret News, June 5, 1983, p. B-8

     

    When Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) steps down from the Senate in early 2017, Mormonism will lose its highest-ranking elected official -- and the most high-profile example that yes, there is such a thing as a Mormon Democrat.

    Mormons are the most Republican religious group in America, and they are moving to the right. A 2007 Pew study found about 66 percent identify with the party. By 2012, Pew found that figure had risen, and 74 percent of Mormons identified as Republican.

    During an address at Brigham Young University in 2007, Reid talked about what it was like being a Democrat in a deeply Republican faith.

  3. 10 hours ago, Calm said:

    Allred is a prof at UoU, iirc.  Teaches Institute too....or maybe that is his fulltime job.  Did a debate recently with James White.

    https://www.fairmormon.org/authors/allred-alma

    Yes in a debate with James White he admitted Jehovah could be God The Father or Jesus like Psalm 110:1 or Elohim could be either God The Father or Jesus which goes along with Traditional Christianity 

  4. 2 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

     

    You cite Gen 18, so how do you explain that YHWH and two angels stop by Abe's place, eat a full meal, and then continue on their way?  Does Gen 18:1 - 19:1 present us with beings with spiritual bodies who can eat like men?

    Also, how may we explain the virtually identical Yahwist and Elohist Psalms, if Elohim and Yahweh are so distinct in person and character?

    Psalm 40:13-17 (Hebrew 14-18)

    Psalm 7O:1-5

    13 Be pleased, O YHWH, to deliver me:

    O YHWH, make haste to help me.

    14 Let them be ashamed and confounded together that seek after my soul to destroy it;

    let them be driven backward and put to shame that wish me evil.

    15 Let them be desolate for a reward of their shame that say unto me, Aha, aha.

    16 Let all those that seek thee rejoice and be glad in thee:

    let such as love thy salvation say continually, The YHWH be magnified.

    17 But I am poor and needy;

    yet the ADONAI [YHWH] thinketh upon me:

    thou art my help and my deliverer;

    make no tarrying, O my ELOHIM.

    Make haste, O ELOHIM, to deliver me;

    make haste to help me, O YHWH.

    2 Let them be ashamed and confounded that seek after my soul:

    let them be turned backward, and put to confusion, that desire my hurt.

    3 Let them be turned back for a reward of their shame that say, Aha, aha.

    4 Let all those that seek thee rejoice and be glad in thee:

    and let such as love thy salvation say continually, Let ELOHIM be magnified.

    5 But I am poor and needy:

    make haste unto me, O ELOHIM:

    thou art my help and my deliverer;

    O YHWH, make no tarrying.

    God The Father and Jesus both went by the name YHWH and ELOHIM as Mormons like Alma Allred a Mormon Apologist admits 

  5. 13 minutes ago, Glenn101 said:

    It surely does. With no amplification or explanation. But maybe Moses 1:11 can explain it, i.e. that Moses was transfigured while in the tabernacle but was seeing with his natural eyes when he saw the back parts of God but not his face as noted in verses 21-23 of Exodus 33. Deuteronomy 34:10 affirms "10  And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face," so, unless the two different sets of verses are talking about spiritual versus natural we are left with a  biblical contradiction.

    There is no contradiction since the person not to be seen was God the Father and not YAHWEH 

  6. 52 minutes ago, Glenn101 said:

    Exodus 33:11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend.

    In Numbers 12:8  Genesis 18:33,19:37 and Exodus 24:9-11 Abraham, Moses and others seen Jehovah along with Exodus 6:3 which also mention Isaac and Jacob also

     

    Selections from Answers to Gospel Questions
    Taken from the writings of Joseph Fielding Smith
    Tenth President of Mormonism
    A course Study for the Melchizedek Priesthood Quorums
    1972-73

    Lesson 6 page 39


    It was Jesus who gave commandments to Adam after he was driven out of the Garden of Eden and who directed Enoch and Noah before the flood. It was Christ who named Abraham and made him that through his posterity all nations would be blessed. He, it was who called Moses to lead Isreal out of Egypt and who wrote with his fingers on the tables of stone. He had no body until he was born in Bethlehem.

     

  7. 29 minutes ago, Josh Khinder said:

    I agree with Joseph Fielding Smith that Jesus is God of The Old Testament as well as the New Testament and Book of Mormon 

     

    Selections from Answers to Gospel Questions
    Taken from the writings of Joseph Fielding Smith
    Tenth President of Mormonism
    A course Study for the Melchizedek Priesthood Quorums
    1972-73

    Lesson 6 page 39

    It was Jesus who gave commandments to Adam after he was driven out of the Garden of Eden and who directed Enoch and Noah before the flood. It was Christ who named Abraham and made him that through his posterity all nations would be blessed. He, it was who called Moses to lead Isreal out of Egypt and who wrote with his fingers on the tables of stone. He had no body until he was born in Bethlehem.

     

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  8. 15 hours ago, Mormon4Life said:

    President Nelson gave an assignment to the young adults earlier this year to find out all they can about Jesus Christ in the collective works.  I've decided to take the assignment serious and am starting in the Old Testament, but I have encountered an issue with completing this assignment.

    I don't know how to distinguish between Jesus Christ and God.  How do I know if the scripture is referencing Jesus Christ or God?  Is there an answer other than: they are one in purpose and it can be either one.  Any help on this would be nice since the assignment is specifically to study Jesus Christ and not God.

    I agree with Joseph Fielding Smith that Jesus is God of The Old Testament as well as the New Testament and Book of Mormon 

     

    Selections from Answers to Gospel Questions
    Taken from the writings of Joseph Fielding Smith
    Tenth President of Mormonism
    A course Study for the Melchizedek Priesthood Quorums
    1972-73

    Lesson 6 page 39

    It was Jesus who gave commandments to Adam after he was driven out of the Garden of Eden and who directed Enoch and Noah before the flood. It was Christ who named Abraham and made him that through his posterity all nations would be blessed. He, it was who called Moses to lead Isreal out of Egypt and who wrote with his fingers on the tables of stone. He had no body until he was born in Bethlehem.

     

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  9. 19 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

    Oh Gosh

    Melchizadek.  And where did HE get it?

    And Abraham paid him tithes?  Why would he do that?  Clearly Abraham was his follower.

    9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

    10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

    The Royal Priesthood is the priesthood of all believers, not exclusive of genders or races, and doesn't sound anything near Mormonism.   

  10. On 1/24/2016 at 6:44 AM, MDalby said:

     

     

     5 Know ye not, my son, that these things are an abomination in the sight of the Lord; yea, most abominable above all sins save it be the shedding of innocent blood or denying the Holy Ghost? 
     6 For behold, if ye deny the Holy Ghost when it once has had place in you, and ye know that ye deny it, behold, this is a sin which is unpardonable; yea, and whosoever murdereth against the light and knowledge of God, it is not easy for him to obtain forgiveness; yea, I say unto you, my son, that it is not easy for him to obtain a forgiveness.
    (Alma 39:6)


    Although David was a King he never did obtain the spirit and power of Elijah and the fullness of the Priesthood; and the Priesthood that he received, and the throne and kingdom of David is to be taken from him and given to another by the name of David in the last days, raised up out of his lineage.
    (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, 253)

    There is no exaltation in the kingdom of God without the fulness of the priesthood…Every man who is faithful and will receive these [temple] ordinances and blessings obtains a fulness of the priesthood, and the Lord has said that “he makes then equal in power, and in might, and in dominion.
    (Joseph F. Smith, 1956, Doctrines of Salvation 3:132)

    Even David must wait for those times of refreshing, before he can come forth and his sins be blotted out.  For Peter, speaking of him says, "David hath not yet ascended into heaven, for his sepulechre is with us to this day."  His remains were then in the tomb.  Nw, we read that many bodies of the Saints arose at Christ's resurrection, probably all the Saints, but it seems that David did not.  Why?  Because he had been a murderer.  If the ministers of religion had a proper understanding of the doctrine of eternal judgment, they would not be found attending the man who forfeited his life to the injured laws of his country, by shedding innocent blood; for such characters cannot be forgiven, until they have paid the last farthing.  The prayers of all the ministers in the world can never close the gates of hell against a murderer.
    (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, 360)
    (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 189)

    Further, murderers place themselves in a position where it is impossible to ask forgiveness of the one sinned against or to make restitution—at least in this life. So grievous is the act that the Prophet Joseph Smith said murderers “cannot be forgiven, until they have paid the last farthing.
    (Ensign, August 1994, 27)

    However in acts 2:


    25 “King David quoted Jesus as saying:
    ‘I know the Lord is always with me. He is helping me. God’s mighty power supports me.
    26 ’No wonder my heart is filled with joy and my tongue shouts his praises! For I know all will be well with me in death—
    27 ’You will not leave my soul in hell or let the body of your Holy Son decay.
    28 ’You will give me back my life and give me wonderful joy in your presence.’
    29 “Dear brothers, think! David wasn’t referring to himself when he spoke these words I have quoted, for he died and was buried, and his tomb is still here among us. 30 But he was a prophet, and knew God had promised with an unbreakable oath that one of David’s own descendants would be the Messiah and£ sit on David’s throne. 31 David was looking far into the future and predicting the Messiah’s resurrection, and saying that the Messiah’s soul would not be left in hell and his body would not decay. 32 He was speaking of Jesus, and we all are witnesses that Jesus rose from the dead.
    33 “And now he sits on the throne of highest honor in heaven, next to God. And just as promised, the Father gave him the authority to send the Holy Spirit—with the results you are seeing and hearing today.
    34 “No, David was not speaking of himself in these words of his I have quoted, for he never ascended into the skies. Moreover, he further stated, ‘God spoke to my Lord, the Messiah, and said to him, Sit here in honor beside me 35until I bring your enemies into complete subjection.’

    Acts 13:34 “For God had promised to bring him back to life again, no more to die. This is stated in the Scripture that says, ‘I will do for you the wonderful thing I promised David.’ 35 In another Psalm he explained more fully, saying, ‘God will not let his Holy One decay.’ 36 This was not a reference to David, for after David had served his generation according to the will of God, he died and was buried, and his body decayed. 37 No, it was a reference to another—someone God brought back to life, whose body was not touched at all by the ravages of death.

     

     

    In Mormon Doctrine we have the answer that it wasn't David in Psa 16:10 under Corruption

     Corruption is also used to signify the decay and change that will take place after death. Thus David recorded the Lord's promise that he would not suffer his Holy One to see corruption (Ps. 16:10), a promise amply fulfilled in Christ as both Peter (Acts 2:27) and Paul (Acts 13:30-37) testified.

     

     

    3. The term is further used with reference to the wicked, depraved, and dissolute acts of those who are steeped in iniquity. "He that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting," Paul says (Gal. 6:8); and it is by thus sowing to the Spirit that the saints have "escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust." (2 Pet. 1:4.)

     

     

     

     

    Acts 13:
    34“For God had promised to bring him back to life again, no more to die. This is stated in the Scripture that says, ‘I will do for you the wonderful thing I promised David.’ 35In another Psalm he explained more fully, saying, ‘God will not let his Holy One decay.’ 36This was not a reference to David, for after David had served his generation according to the will of God, he died and was buried, and his body decayed. 37No, it was a reference to another—someone God brought back to life, whose body was not touched at all by the ravages of death.£

     

    ·         Acts 13:22

    22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.

    ·         2 Timothy 2:8

    8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:


  11.  

    A Marvelous Work and a Wonder

     

    Chapter 13

     

    The Mission of Elijah

     

    Elijah's coming foretold

     

    The next major event we will consider in this "restution of all things" (acts 3 :19-21) is the coming of Elijah in fulfillment of Malachi 4:5-6

     

     

     

    Matthew 11:

     

    11 “Assuredly, I say to you, among those born of women there has not risen one greater than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force. 13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. 14 And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who is to come. 15 He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

     

     

     

    Mark 9:

     

     

     

    11 And they asked Him, saying, “Why do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?”

     

    12 Then He answered and told them, “Indeed, Elijah is coming first and restores all things. And how is it written concerning the Son of Man, that He must suffer many things and be treated with contempt? 13 But I say to you that Elijah has also come, and they did to him whatever they wished, as it is written of him.

     

     

     

     

     

    Luke 1:

     

    17 He will also go before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, ‘to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children,’ and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”

     

     

     

    Notice how LDS are missing ears, first they miss Matt 11:13 that says John The Baptist was the fullfillment of Malachi 4:5-6

     

     

     

    Jesus said John the Baptist was Elijah:

     

     

     

     

     

    Matthew 17:10 Then his disciples asked him, “Why do the teachers of religious law insist that Elijah must return before the Messiah comes?”

     

     

     

    11 Jesus replied, “Elijah is indeed coming first to get everything ready for the Messiah. 12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, but he wasn’t recognized, and they chose to abuse him. And in the same way they will also make the Son of Man suffer.” 13 Then the disciples realized he was talking about John the Baptist.

     

     

     

     

     

  12. On 11/30/2017 at 7:56 PM, hope_for_things said:

    I was very excited to learn about this the other day.  I’m an Imagine Dragons fan and  even bigger Dan Reynolds fan for all he’s doing, what a great person.  

    I don’t agree that his days as a member are numbered.  Unless his disagreements with church leaders start sounding over the top disrespectful, I don’t think they would want the negative publicity they would get through an excommunication.  So he’d have to resign, and so far I haven’t heard him say anything that makes me believe he wants to formally resign.  

    Can’t wait to watch the documentary and I love Hans Zimmer too, how cool of a story!  

    http://youtu.be/iHpRlztBUd8

  13. I thought the Book of Mormon contained the fullness ? 😃

     

    Pearl Of Great Price

    34 He said there was a book deposited, written upon gold plates, giving an account of the former inhabitants of this continent, and the source from whence they sprang. He also said that the fulness of the everlasting Gospel was contained in it, as delivered by the Savior to the ancient inhabitants;

     

     

    Concerning this record the Prophet Joseph Smith said: “I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.”

    Introduction of Book of Mormon

    Our revelations say that the Book of Mormon contains the fullness of Gospel. { D&C 20:9, 27:5. 42:12, 135:3 } This is true in the sense that Book of Mormon is a record of God's dealings with a people who had the fulness of the gospel and therefore the laws and priciples leading to the highest salvation are found recorded in that book.

     

     

     The fullness consists in those laws, doctrines, ordnances, powers, and authorities needed to enable men to gain the fullness of salvation. Mormon Doctrine page 333

     

     D&C 20:

     9 Which contains a record of a fallen people, and the fulness of the gospel of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles and to the Jews also;

     

     D&C 27:

     5 Behold, this is wisdom in me; wherefore, marvel not, for the hour cometh that I will drink of the fruit of the vine with you on the earth, and with Moroni, whom I have sent unto you to reveal the Book of Mormon, containing the fulness of my everlasting gospel, to whom I have committed the keys of the record of the stick of Ephraim;

     

     D&C 42:

     12 And again, the elders, priests and teachers of this church shall teach the principles of my gospel, which are in the Bible and the Book of Mormon, in the which is the fulness of the gospel.

     

     D&C 135:

     3 Joseph Smith, the Prophet and Seer of the Lord, has done more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it. In the short space of twenty years, he has brought forth the Book of Mormon, which he translated by the gift and power of God, and has been the means of publishing it on two continents; has sent the fulness of the everlasting gospel, which it contained, to the four quarters of the earth;

  14. 1 hour ago, strappinglad said:

    The body and the spirit and the intelligence are 3 separate pieces that make up man. The soul is more of an umbrella word. Similarly a book is made of the cover the pages and the printed word.

    Don't see the word intelligence in the Bible or Book of Mormon in context with body and spirit 🤣

  15.  

    The Book of Mormon agrees 

    2 Nephi 31:

    21 And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God,   without end. Amen.

     

    Alma 11:

    44 Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost; but everything shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God,  to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.

     

     

    Mormon 7:

    7 And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God,  in a state of happiness which hath no end.

     

    The Testimony of Three Witnesses

    And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God.  Amen.

    Oliver Cowdery

    David Whitmer

    Martin Harris

     

    1 Nephi 13: 41 And they must come according to the words which shall be established by the mouth of the Lamb; and the words of the Lamb shall be made known in the records of thy seed, as well as in the records of the twelve apostles of the Lamb; wherefore they both shall be established in one; for there is one God and one Shepherd over all the earth.

     

     

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  16. On 6/29/2018 at 2:48 PM, theplains said:

    Moses 6:10 says, "And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after
    his own image, and called his name Seth
    ."

    Of all the sons born to Adam, why is there only a reference to Seth being born after Adam's own likeness
    and image?

    Thanks,
    Jim

     

    5 hours ago, strappinglad said:

    " image of" could means as little as " head, torso , 2 arms, 2 legs, fingers, toes , etc."  Not a snake or a bull. I'm not prepared to consider ' image of ' to be a metaphor for some esoteric essence of divine-ness .

    in the Nature of God our three separate and distinct persons, Father, son, and Holy Ghost 

    in the nature of Adam our three separate and distinct parts, body, soul and spirit - plain and simple 

     

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  17. Mormons are told not to marry Mexicans 😃

     

    Even before the migration to Mexico had begun, Apostle Brigham Young, Jr. had warned members of the Church living in Arizona ‘that the blood of Cain was more predominant in these Mexicans than that of Israel.’ For this reason he ‘condemned the mixing’ of Mormons with ‘outsiders.’”

     

     - B. Carmon Hardy, “Cultural ‘Encystment’ as a Cause of the Exodus from Mexico in 1912,” Pacific Historical Review, v. 34, 1965, p. 447

     

     

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