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  1. THanks Incognitus. I appreciate your responses. What were you called to do in the Temple? I heard that Assistant Recorders at least in some large Utahan Temples serve 15 hours/week.
  2. @Calm @mfbukowski @blackstrap @InCognitus @Pyreaux @MiserereNobis Who sustains people called to serve in the Temple? I dont recall sustaining anyone specifically, other than when we sustain all General Authorities and local authorities. I don't think Temple workers are sustained, if memory serves. Hmm.....nothing wrong with that. Sounds nice to be above ward politics and stake politics
  3. “In coming days, it will not be possible to survive spiritually without the guiding, directing, comforting, and constant influence of the Holy Ghost. My beloved brothers and sisters, I plead with you to increase your spiritual capacity to receive revelation.” - President Nelson I like this. It holds promise and helps us focus. I'm curious about what type of current/future events might make the constant influence of the Holy Ghost necessary to survive spiritually. - Another plandemic scamdemic pandemic? - natural disasters? - War? - Recession/Depression? - Something else?
  4. 1. Which of these paths would you suggest and what have you seen from people who have followed these diffrent paths? - A brother or sister Temple worker is asked to learn ASL or a foreign language to help patrons complete ordinances - A brother or sister - with no calling to do so - attends, speaks at, goes to the TEmple with a small foreign langauge branch Which one of these would you suggest - as these paths seem to create good info? 2. When you have seen people who taught seminary or worked in the Temple or served in other callings for 10, 15 or more years - what has the result been (i.e. they were given callings with more related responsiblity or they had a different calling?)
  5. Is it accurate to say that we hold the belief that polygamy is the norm for everything to the left of the red line, our pre mortal existence which is included within the scope of "within the blue line, eternity"? IMHO, yes. And that the extremely little time we spend here on earth, the red line, is only monogamous due to the fact that the federal government has made it illegal for us to practice polygamy? IMHO, yes - and that's only in the US. Many countries have legallized the practice based on thier non-Christian faiths, which recommend the same practice, polygamy. And that everything to the right of the red line, post mortal existence, will also be a polygamous reality? IMHO, yes. Generally - I don't think it's our place to tell God how He and His Council should run things. Is Polygamy Eternal? I certainly hope so.
  6. This is fundamentally wrong. The idea that men have always been the providers is countered by just about all of recorded history. Having your wife not have to work was throughout most of human history a luxury afforded to the wealthy. Naturally as more people got wealthy they took up the practice as a sign of their wealth. In the past roughly 80-90% of the population were involved in agriculture and both men and women worked in that role. Yes, women did tend to take care of the very young children and often took up work that allowed them to feed young children but that is primarily because women lactate. But that is more about convenience than being some hard-coded biological imperative. Many Church leaders (and lots of other people) love to pretend that early 20th century American and Western European norms are some eternal law but they just aren’t. @ksfisher - how dare you cite biological facts which support the Family Proc? @The Nehor - claiming things are fundamentally wrong and sharing jokes doesn't strengthen your argument. Empirical objective, verified and validated data, studies, etc. do. And while "Many Church leaders (and lots of other people) love to pretend that early 20th century American and Western European norms are some eternal law but they just aren’t" - when you're in a leadership position and want to inspire people to be the best they can, you cite examples of people and cultures who did the same. That's why these norms, cultures, and peoples are often referenced. Lactating is in fact a hard-coded bioloigcal imperative - for the continuation of our mankind, as the Family Proc states: that commandment to multiply and replenish the earth remains in force.
  7. Never heard of it. Would enjoy the rabbit hole or bread crumbs
  8. Okay. Perhaps you are not patronizing, but only rather unaware. I back Rain’s comment. Let’s see the facts you have on this. Something besides your feels of being unsatisfied the RS isn’t doing chairs and moving. How is this not pure speculation? And likely based on feelings, perhaps you feel protective towards a woman you love and would do the same, so you assume other men would do the same even if you have no personal knowledge of them and apparently little knowledge of their culture given certain of your comments. The whole “women are more spiritual” is a feeling conclusion. You feel what women do is more spiritual, but is not Captain Moroni, a soldier, seen as a spiritual giant? A willingness to use violence can be spiritually motivated and a willingness to attend church and be actively involved there can be motivated by non spiritual reasons, such as a desire to socialize. Without knowing the personal reasons for behaviours, labeling them spiritual or secular is logically premature and when people do it, it is most likely based on how they feel about the behaviour and not facts. Women in our culture have in the past been more religious than men, but while there is overlap religiousity is not identical to spirituality. And there are cultures where there are higher numbers of men attending church, known for saying more prayers and studying scriptures is a very male activity. So it does not appear women are inherently more religious than men, that is culturally dependent. And look, I have something more than just my feelings to back my claims! https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/03/23/qa-why-are-women-generally-more-religious-than-men/ “The study finds that women are generally – but not universally – more religious than men in several ways. Indeed, data collected for the study show that in some religions and some contexts, men are as, or even more, religious than women.” ”One of the most striking findings in a new Pew Research Center analysis of survey and census data on gender and religion is that while Christian women are on the whole more religious than Christian men, Muslim women and Muslim men have similar levels of religious commitment. And when it comes to attendance at worship services, Muslim men are more active than Muslim women” https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/03/24/a-religious-gender-gap-for-christians-but-not-for-muslims/ 1. I'm definitely patronizing not unaware. Self aware. 2. 5-second google search: A quick glance at the statistics seems to tell the whole story: Men commit more acts of violence than women. The U.S. Department of Justice sponsored a National Crime Victimization Study in 2007. This evaluation found that 75.6 percent of all offenders were male and only 20.1 percent were female. In the remaining cases, the victim wasn't able to identify the gender of the offender. According to these results, men commit violent crimes more than three times as often as women [source: United States Department of Justice]. https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/inside-the-mind/emotions/men-more-violent.htm#:~:text=A quick glance at the,only 20.1 percent were female. 3. Re: Captain Moroni, the exception does not disprove the rule (meaning the average). Also, Cap'n went to Alma for spiritual guidance - suggesting he, Cap'n, was an inspired military leader not a Prophet (who in theory would have been more of a spiritual giant). 4. Women in our culture have in the past been more religious than men. You're validating my claim here - before you question women's commitment/reason for being more religious. 5. Islam? Really? 14 centuries of conquest...helps your argument? The most violent religion in history: https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/11/09/islam-is-a-religion-of-violence-ayaan-hirsi-ali-debate-islamic-state/. While I applaud thier polygamous marriage practices, you are aware of thier views on women and womens' rights? In 1993, in a non-controversial essay written for Foreign Affairs titled “The Clash of Civilizations,” the influential Harvard University political scientist Samuel P. Huntington (d. 2008) wrote: “In Eurasia the great historic fault lines between civilizations are once more aflame. This is particularly true along the boundaries of the crescent-shaped Islamic bloc of nations, from the bulge of Africa to central Asia. Violence also occurs between Muslims, on the one hand, and Orthodox Serbs in the Balkans, Jews in Israel, Hindus in India, Buddhists in Burma and Catholics in the Philippines. Islam has bloody borders.” Couple from Pew as well: there are some countries in which substantial minorities think violence against civilians is at least sometimes justified. This view is particularly widespread among Muslims in the Palestinian territories (40%), Afghanistan (39%), Egypt (29%) and Bangladesh (26%). https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/ and here https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/08/09/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/
  9. Yes, but that has nothing to do with what I said. It does. Men commit more crime in part due to thier biology which more often leads to anger, violence, crime, etc. Women dont have the same biology or biochemitry regardless of what some politicians claim
  10. Friend, it would be patronizing of me to assume, even with your suggestion, that you are unable to conduct your own research. However, to help you in said efforts: President Gordon B. Hinckley said, “The fact that we do not pray to our Mother in Heaven in no way belittles or denigrates her.”12 Indeed, as Elder Rudger Clawson wrote, “We honor woman when we acknowledge Godhood in her eternal Prototype.”13 https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/mother-in-heaven?lang=eng#p1 Here's 34 more results: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/search/archive?exact=true&page=1&query="Heavenly+Mother"&lang=eng
  11. 1. Your opinion does not outweigh what GA's have taught on the subject. 2. Not being cursed and blasphemed by Thier children would in fact save Them grief, at least the one of Them that isn't able to be insulted by Thier children. Does it save you grief when you dont hear people curse you, mock you, etc? 3. Mom cares what we think of Dad. She also acknowledges justice (the kids' actions losing thier blessing and protection / what you call storm and rage and beat the kids), love (Mom generally - or am I being paronizing again? ) and mercy (both Parents) have thier limits and requirements. 4. Not sure you know what Mothers in thier hurt want. Some of them understand their kids need prison time, or meds, or homeschool or shoulnd't serve missions. Had a Jewish teacher tell me once the cloud by day over the children of Israel circa Exodus was spoken of with a feminine personality.
  12. When Jesus came, He restored the Melchizedek Priesthood to the Jews and began to build up the Church among them. However, it was lost again by apostasy and was taken from the earth. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics/melchizedek-priesthood?lang=eng “Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?” (1 Corinthians 15:29). (https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/new-era/2009/03/why-do-we-baptize-for-the-dead?lang=eng) So - the Temple in Jerusalem at the time of Paul had proxy baptisms and the Melchezidek Priesthood which the Savior restored. Was this ordinance also present in other Biblical times - like the Old Testament - when the M. Priesthood was on earth?
  13. 1. Being up there at the pulpit does not equal being spiritually superior or greater. Administrations does not equal testimony strength, size, etc. Men leading the family is an extension of work outside the home where constant trade-offs, compromises, and selecting the lesser-evil decisions are required - as well as budgeting, prioritizing, etc. (at the same time: raising kids is if not more at least equally important) - according to the Famly Proc: By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness and are responsible to provide the necessities of life and protection for their families. Mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children. In these sacred responsibilities, fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as equal partners. 2. limited spheres? You think creating life and raising life is limited?
  14. Are you familiar with crime statistics? or human bioology perhaps (testosterone, adrenaline, anger and the like and its prevalence between genders)?
  15. Well, then please call me - and all those who wrote the Bible and BoM - patronizing. Remember, facts over feelings and reals over feels = effective positions and arguments. Patrons = customers that keep businesses open. Patriarchal blessings, to me, are good things. Love me some more of that allegedly patronizing patriarchy
  16. Memory-sharing / experience sharing in the way @OGHoosier and @manol describe sounds quite similar to blessings I've recieved and blessings I've given. (Also reminds me of the book, the Giver.) Since the Savior is the Anointed One, I wonder if Those who anointed Him shared experiences and memories of when They served in similar callings? Would love any Journal of DIscourses of non-General Authority suggestions/speeches, etc. on this possibility. Good point @jonah747. I suppose the good spirits obey the law of the space they occupy and defer to the Holy Ghost whose general presence prevails in those who try and keep the commandments.
  17. Before the time when men had a Priesthood session in General Conference - Before the Endowment was updated, twice (which to me in several places states the same principle only using different words)- Before the Relief Society started helping families move in/out of wards and set up/take down chairs (really hoping I live to see this) - Before the Primary and Relief Society had thier own auxilliary=specific Area Authority-like callings issued (hasn't happened yet but I wouldn't be surprised to see it soon) - Before women generally of a grandmother's age divorced thier husbands with little to no outreach before, during or after the divorce - it seems to me the Bible and BoM prophets didn't write much about thier wives just as Heavenly Father protects His - out of respect, from scorn, mocking, and derision. I don't see this as the men putting down thier wives. So to me: 1. What wives do - in addition to - concieving, gestating, delivering, nurturing and raising all of thier children - while the husbands are mostly not home (due to work, callings, etc.) is similar to the pioneer's level of faith crossing the plains. That level of sacrifice takes a powerful level of faith. 2. People like General Authorities, Temple Presidents, Mission Presidents - (whose wives de facto serve as mother of the ward, stake mother, mission mother, and now Temple mother/matron) also served in feminine / feminist callings - because the Church is the Bride of the Savior. In essence then, those men who serve in leadership callings are preparing the Bride (the Church) for the wedding which is the Second Coming. One could further anaolgize this in a way that they are Chief Bridesmaids - one in charge of the team that takes care of the bride's makeup, one in charge of the team overseeing the bride's hair, anotehr team for the dress, another for the viel, another team in charge of the flowers, the venue, the food, the catering, the expenses, the lodgning, the priest, etc. 3. Just my own opinion here - The gospel implies that men need the priesthood to grow and develop spiritually; women are co-equal w/ our Heavenly Parents in their ability to create life. To me this suggests women were more spiritually advanced premortally due to agency they exercised in that ilfe - as they do not need to be guilted, pressured, etc. to take care of thier kids, family, home, etc. while men in general must be told these things or they will literaly start wars and physically assault (or worse) women. To borrow smac's phrase: thoughts?
  18. Mark 5:9 (https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/nt/mark/5?lang=eng) - unless the unclean spirit was lying - suggests more than one spirit body can occupy a physical body. Other New Testament examples of unclean, blind, deaf, etc. spirits being cast out - noen of which killed the physical person - suggest the owner of the physical body had a spirit body present throughout the "co-tenancy" if you will. Also the story below suggests a peaceful cohabitation / co-tenancy. Shanti Devi, a girl born in Delhi, India in 1926, had an extraordinary claim from a young age. She insisted that she was not from Delhi but from Mathura and had a husband and family there. At first, her parents dismissed these assertions as mere imagination. However, Shanti's determination led her to run away at the age of six, only to be brought back home. It was then that she confided in her headmaster, speaking in the Mathura dialect and revealing specific details about her alleged husband, Kedar Nath. Shanti described him as a fair-skinned shopkeeper with glasses and a wart on his left cheek. She also claimed that she had died ten days after giving birth to a child. Intrigued by her story, the headmaster decided to investigate. To his astonishment, he discovered a shopkeeper named Kedarnath Chaube, who had lost his wife, Lugdi Devi, nine years earlier, just as Shanti had described. Lugdi Devi had indeed passed away ten days after giving birth to their son. Intrigued by the uncanny similarities, Chaube disguised himself and traveled to Delhi. As soon as Shanti saw him, she immediately recognized him. Convinced that Shanti was the reincarnation of his late wife, Chaube affirmed their connection. The story of Shanti Devi gained national attention and even reached Mahatma Gandhi, who decided to investigate further. In 1935, Shanti was taken to Mathura, where she was able to recognize several family members and recall promises that Chaube had made to Lugdi Devi on her deathbed, including his commitment not to remarry. Gandhi's commission report in 1936 confirmed that Shanti was indeed the reincarnation of Lugdi Devi. Over the years, Shanti was interviewed by various researchers, with some supporting her claims while others disputed them. She never married and passed away in 1987 at the age of 61, leaving behind a fascinating story that continues to captivate those interested in the mysteries of life and death. See this video to know the full story of this curious case of Shanti Devi ; Shanti Devi, The Girl Who Claimed She Was Reincarnated
  19. Thank you, mfb - I appreciate your response. If I had delusions of grandeur which is likely - what path of service might you suggest for being a Temple Recorder at the Dubai Temple (not yet completed construction)?
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