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1 hour ago, strappinglad said:
Well, He was able to disappear in a crowd when pursued . Baring supernatural interference , He must have been about the same as most other men. Had He been 6 ft . 6 , 250 lbs, with long red hair, the priests would not have needed a Judas to point Him out.
I’m not saying he wasn’t able to blend in, but using the need for Judas to point him out as proof that he blended in isn’t very reliable. What if he were pointing him out for the same reason a witness in a court of U.S. law would be asked to point out a murderer or something, even though everyone already knows good and well who the accused is?
Personally I have the opinion that we just don’t know what He looks like, just like Carbon Dioxide brought up about half His DNA. I personally believe that this other half is God’s DNA, and that doesn’t limit Him to looking like your typical native of that area in my opinion.
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On 2/21/2018 at 6:00 PM, Meerkat said:
Is the right Church or creed the important thing, or is there something else we came here to learn? I'm interested to hear what everyone believes and why they believe it. That would add to our understanding of each other. We have a good mix of people here. I wonder if we could talk about our first person experiences on the subject and support it with simple faith, scriptures, opinion without putting anyone on the spot about their beliefs. Maybe another way to frame the question is "What is the point of all this? What is the purpose of this life? Is it to embrace a certain belief, or is it to live a certain way?" Or is it something else?
I think we often miss the mark by trying to dissect what we need to learn to do in this life. It won’t matter if we embrace the right church or creed, and even try and live a certain way, if we don’t hear our Savior’s voice and obey it. Just like the parable of the ten virgins. By being virgins, IMO, means they were living very right, and that they also symbolized those in the right church. A virgin to me is as pure as one can be. 5 of them were foolish and didn’t bring any oil with their lamps. They got locked out even though they were supposed to be part of the wedding party. Even other virgins (more very good people) came to try and replace the foolish ones who got locked out, but they too were turned away. I think hearing, and obeying, the voice of our Savior is just like having the oil in our lamps. We all are born with an inner enlightenment, commonly called our conscience:
D&C 93:2 And that I am the true light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world;
John 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Moroni 7:16 For behold, the Spirit of Christ is given to every man, that he may know good from evil;......
We can either learn to heed that light of Christ, or we can try and bury it until we no longer even feel it and darkness is all that’s left. As we obey it, we learn to hear it better and better, unless we too decide to bury it instead. Eventually we will be led toward our Savior because it truly is His voice, and we will be led to embrace His church and be given the gift of the Holy Ghost. We could just go through the motions without learning to hear His voice, but we won’t be able to actually receive that gift until we know how to recognize His voice, and live pure enough to be worthy of that gift, utilizing the great atoning mercy to become worthy anyway.
John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Alma 5:38 Behold, I say unto you, that the good shepherd doth call you; yea, and in his own name he doth call you, which is the name of Christ; and if ye will not hearken unto the voice of the good shepherd, to the name by which ye are called, behold, ye are not the sheep of the good shepherd.
39 And now if ye are not the sheep of the good shepherd, of what fold are ye? Behold, I say unto you, that the devil is your shepherd, and ye are of his fold; and now, who can deny this? Behold, I say unto you, whosoever denieth this is a liar and a child of the devil.
D&C 84:51 For whoso cometh not unto me is under the bondage of sin.
52 And whoso receiveth not my voice is not acquainted with my voice, and is not of me.
53 And by this you may know the righteous from the wicked, and that the whole world groaneth under sin and darkness even now.
The vision that Lehi, and his son Nephi afterwards, saw tells me exactly what we need to do in this life. (I don’t want to copy and paste it because it’s too long, but starts around 1 Nephi 8 or so, if I remember correctly) First off it tells us what is the most thing we can desire.... the love of God. In order to feast upon that we have to first obtain it’s source, and then we need to stay and keep enjoying it, while ignoring the scoffers, with man’s wisdom. In order to obtain it we need to grasp the iron rod, which is literally the word of God. Holding onto the word of God will ensure that we make it to that destination, regardless of not seeing the path the entire time, which means to me that we can’t use our intellect alone to stay on the path. The word of God comes from many sources, but the main source that will for sure carry us to our destination is personal revelation, or in other words, His voice, which doesn’t contradict the other sources anyway. The reason I believe it’s mainly by His voice is because there have been some people who have read the Bible, Book Of Mormon, listened to prophets, etc., who have fallen off of the path, but if you are following His voice all along the way you can’t go wrong, unless you decide to let go.
If we continue to partake of the love of God, we will by default be obeying the commandments, we will know His voice and obey until the end, but if we cease to partake, even if we already had partaken, then we aren’t enduring to the end. If we endure to the end this way, we will not only have eternal life, but exaltation too, which means we can progress to our full potential as children of our Father in Heaven. This potential means growing up to be just like Him, but not replacing Him as some in error believe, thinking it’s blasphemy:
Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
This just means we will be one with Him:
John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
Acts 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
Moses 7:18 And the Lord called his people Zion, because they were of one heart and one mind, and dwelt in righteousness; and there was no poor among them.
That’s how I believe it to be anyway.
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1 minute ago, The Nehor said:
I do not equate "study" and "thinking for yourself" with reading deranged websites. I just hope you never get ill and use these same "research" methods to find a cure.
Deranged is also a matter of opinion. I have already cured myself from ailments using what God has naturally given to help boost my immune system, instead of taking the chemical poisonS that they wanted to give me, that would have caused side effects and liver disease, and guess what.... the natural cures actually worked. Deranged enough to get healthy?... hmmm.... I would rather be deranged then, instead of having a medicine cabinet full of drugs that combat the side effects of the other drugs I was given previously, that have never even once been studied scientifically on what effects they would all have together. That said, I have also used modern day medical care to treat traumatic issues that homeopathic medicine can't compete with, so I am not anti mainstream science, I am just anti bad science, whether mainstream or not.
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2 minutes ago, The Nehor said:
"If we do not understand something completely it must not exist. If we make something up out of pseudoscience and blind guesswork and it explains enough to satisfy amateurs we should go with that."
An odd credo that I think I will not adopt at this time. I also do not wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
I don't have a news letter for you to subscribe, or not, to. Psuedo science is a matter of opinion for you since you choose to ignore the actual data, and just listen to the narratives you are fed by those whom you deem have the proper authority, who are funded by politically driven tax dollars, and bottom line driven corporations, who are threatened of losing all funding and being discredited if they actually follow the truth where it leads in an unbiased scientific study. Perhaps if mainstream science stopped manipulating data to fit failed theories, I would be more apt to blindly follow along as do those who don't study and think for themselves.
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11 minutes ago, The Nehor said:
Exactly! Dark Matter, man made global warming, etc..
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6 hours ago, Atheist Mormon said:
would your visualization by any chance influenced by any Sci-Fi movie? Or would you feel comfortable to suspend physical laws of Universe for this event?
These aren't the only two options here. As far as I have seen we don't know squat about all the physical laws of the Universe, or there wouldn't be things like the magical particles (spoken about in an earlier comment) that had to be made up in someone's mind to make science theories work, like the fairy tale of mythical dark matter to explain gravity theories that don't allow for electo magnetic fields as being a factor large enough to discount that need for extra gravity being exerted by some unseen, make believe matter. I have been seeing things as recently as one week ago, like plasma jets that haven't been seen before by modern day science yet thousands of years ago the Chinese have myths that explain, better than modern science, the Birkeland currents that modern day physics are just now beginning to notice as the cause of such newly seen phenomon (see http://www.safireproject.com/ ), as our sun changes in it's regular 206 year cycles that have been virtually ignored by most modern day scientists. In short we have barely even scratched the surface of what the true laws of this physical universe even are. Perhaps there were certain aspects of those laws that were even better known to ancient civilizations that fell and lost their knowledge in climate disasters that wiped them out and put them back into a primitive lives, much as ours would if we had some cataclysmic disasters that are well known to happen every now and then to this planet, as seen in many pieces of ancient Chinese art work that adorn their temples.
My knowledge of Christ being alive, right now, have nothing to do with my ability to visualize it at all, but rather my very real experiences that I have encountered through studying, prayer and pondering, in divine manifestations of the truth. Just because I know it doesn't mean I understand the mechanics of how it happened, just as we don't understand the mechanics of how the very first living cell came into being, yet science doesn't deny the existence of living cells.
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20 minutes ago, stemelbow said:
I'm not sure we're seeing eye to eye here. But thanks for your contribution.
Yeah, I can agree to disagree as well, Thanks for the civility.
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1 hour ago, stemelbow said:
I like to use the term foolproof when speaking of the workings of the Spirit, as in it's not foolproof (sorry if it's annoying to some, as I've used it here many times. But I don't know a better way to put it). We're all fools when it comes to God and the Spirit, I figure, so we're all going to make mistakes when dealing with the Spirit and it's influence. I used to attribute the Spirit's influence in my life with telling me what's true, most often. I'm not sure that's our best bet anymore, even if in some cases it can surely be a great tool in getting us to true stuff. But as the years have gone on and as I've been able to work with that influence that I call the Spirit, I've learned that He helps me identify what's good and what works for me, more so than what's true. So I've kind of morphed from saying things like "the Church is true" (a phrase that feels meaningless to me now) to saying the Church has many good and helpful aspects. The Spirit's influence and direction is individual and subjective. One can be influenced by the Spirit and be Muslim or Buddhist, just as well, and perhaps in many cases better than one can be LDS and have the Spirit's influence. That may sound anathema to some, or some might say, "well sure other's can feel the Spirit but given that LDS are given the gift of the Holy Ghost we get precedence as it is an extra blessing to us. So we know more truth and have better access to God". I doubt that's true. The Spirit's great influence, I'd suggest, is to guide us into loving others and God. This is difficult though. We all love other people. We may feel we're better at it than others, but I don't know how we gauge such things. It's unfair of us to try. We simply can't see enough.
Recall with me, Elder Holland's story about following the spirit. He and his son were driving down some dirt road, heading home. On their way they came upon a fork in the road that they didn't expect which didn't look familiar. They each prayed and felt like they should go down the one way which turned out to be wrong. Elder Holland says that God wanted them to know they were going to be going down the right road when they did get going on the right road. Something about the fastest way to know they were going the right way. Cute story, it's been shared all over the place, as you can see a video was made about it with touching music setting a mood. But what does it tell us?
God can direct any one of us in any direction so we can head down the wrong road for a while until we learn it to be wrong. So we can be headed down the road that is the Church's path and learn at some point it is the wrong way. We could have gotten married having felt so influenced by the Spirit in our decision to do so, only to see years later it was the wrong road and our kids might have to deal with the effects of our bad choice.
Where I'm getting to is this. If we pray and head down the road, learn its bad and try to correct it, then the Spirit has directed us so we can learn that it's was bad. If we don't pray and head down a road learning it is good, what does that say about praying, The Spirit and us?
We will never know if the Spirit's influence is getting us where we need to go, unless at some point he leads us in the wrong direction so we can learn for ourselves that it was wrong? Does that idea work?
Interested in thoughts on this very important topic.
First off I would be careful to not be deceived by an imposter spirit. We know that there are many who deceive others:
"13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."
2 Corinthians 11:13-14It isn't just reserved for people living in mortality, but those spirits who chose to follow Lucifer rather than God before this world was even populated.
I choose to believe what Christ himself said about the Holy Spirit. He even names the Holy Spirit as, "The Spirit of Truth.":
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:"
John 15:26"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."
John 16:13Note that the Spirit of Truth will guide us into all truth, not just what is true for some and not for others. He will also testify of Christ and his divine roll as the great mediator and savior, where there is no other way nor name given, nor other means where salvation can come from. Now that isn't to say that some will not be guided toward another religion, for a time, like Buddhism or something, but that would only be a stepping stone toward coming to Jesus, not the end of guiding to the only path that can actually lead to true salvation. I for one have been given the specific answer that indeed The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-Day Saints is the only church that is being led by Christ himself and that it has all the authority and truth needed to gain true eternal salvation and that there truly is no other church or ism that has that. It's easy to be deceived, but the Holy Ghost is real and he will guide us into all truth. That wasn't a lie and any spirit that will tell you different isn't the Holy Spirit, but an imposter/deceiver.
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23 hours ago, RevTestament said:
When I was younger, I probably tried to pray with "but"s a few times. The thing is buts invariably involve some doubt. We are not supposed to go to God in doubt, but believing....nothing wavering. I believe the reason some people don't get an affirmative answer to their prayers about the Book of Mormon has to do with the way they are praying. Are they praying with conviction to follow it if they get an affirmative answer. Or are they praying with the attitude that "gosh I see no evidence for the stuff in this book, so tell me if it is true" kind of thing. I know while I was relatively inactive in college I started out reading the BoM with the intent of finding its faults, if any(thinking there were), and then if I found none thinking that it would bolster my testimony. That is just not the right attitude of prayer. When I finally many years later read the book and prayed whether it was true, it was in the attitude that I would follow it and Jesus, if I received an answer which I did. From there my personal witness experiences have continued to multiply. But, I believe I needed to gain a testimony of the Book of Mormon first. It is essentially a foundational document of this Church. Not believing it is kind of like saying I'm an American, but I don't believe in the Bill of Rights. I joined the Church based on my testimony of the Bible - quite different from many others. While I loved the Church, I think my testimony was kind of disabled. I needed to enable it.
Thanks everybody for your input so far. Specific examples is what I am hoping readers will bring to the thread.
I guess I wasn't clear about my experience that I related. Just to clear it up, this experience with the, "but," questions all happened in one prayer, not consecutive prayers at different times. Prior to that prayer I wasn't even sure if God was even real. Since then I always turn to Father in Heaven with a believing attitude, especially when I present my doubts to Him. I know He will never steer me wrong. With the love I have experienced, and still do on a regular basis, coming from Him, I can never doubt His sincerity and divinity. Basically this example I related was one specific example, and I did gain an answer contrary to what I personally believed about the BoM. I gained that answer because I was open to the fact that I don't know everything and therefore I was willing to move toward the truth rather than trying to bend the truth to move toward me, not because I already believed.
Thank you for this thread. I like it.
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18 hours ago, california boy said:
What I would like is for the participants of this thread to share what they love about the church whether they are members or not.
There are so many things I love about the church, but the single most thing I like the best is how I was taught, through it, how to have a personal relationship with Heavenly Father and our beloved Savior whom He sent for us. I have never felt such pure love before feeling theirs for me, and what's really great is that it is something that I get to feel over and over again as I learn to get closer and closer to them. It's nice that it isn't just a Sunday church, but an everyday church and a way of life.
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13 hours ago, RevTestament said:
I was wondering what other examples of this principle other visitors have or wish to share
While I'm not just a visitor, but a member of the Church. I have these types of experiences periodically as I progress in my personal relationship with Heavenly Father, and His Son. It is always amazing to me each and every time, as I receive a little more light, that builds upon what I have already received. I find scripture study, as well as secular study, in light of what is revealed to me by the Spirit Of Truth, almost addicting as I amaze myself of why I wasn't able to see these truths before. It is something that brings studying, pondering and prayer alive for me and makes me want to do it even more, in a synergistic way. It builds my faith so much that I don't trust just intellect alone to settle what is true for me, or not. I only trust Heavenly Father, no matter how many people might believe certain things that are contrary to the truth, as my final say in what is actual truth.
It all started when I received my testimony, not knowing if God was just make believe or not, and actually believing that the BoM was a false, man made deception trying to be passed off as scripture. I was challenged to just read the BoM anyway, and to pray and ask if it were true or not, and to ask if Heavenly Father was real or not, each morning and night and to ask anything else I wanted as normal morning and nighttime prayers. My testimony didn't come right away, but eventually it did come, and it was something that just blew me away! I couldn't possibly see how what I thought I had known about the BoM could exist simultaneously with the answer I was being given in prayer. I remember trying to ask, multiple times, "But if it's true then how come....." Each and every time I tried to ask, I only got as far as saying, "But....," when I would immediately be interrupted and receive the same answer to the question of whatever so called fact I was perplexed about at the time. That answer was, "Don't worry, I'm God. I'm telling you it's true and this is why you have to study the scriptures every day of your life. Eventually you will see how it can be true and how it can coexist with what you are asking about." Sure enough, as I studied I found the falsehoods in the alleged facts I originally believed were true facts, but were rather twisted truth and/or straight out lies, from all the anti-Mormon literature I had read before.
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On 4/17/2017 at 4:22 PM, strappinglad said:
Recently I have been youtube binge watching the ' Sirius Disclosure " which presents witness testimony about UFOs ( ya, I know, please don't judge.... too harshly ) . One of the reasons given by gov't etc. for not acknowledging the existence of ' others ' , is that the public would panic and there would be a mass fleeing from organized religion.
Thought experiment. Suppose it became fully excepted and proven that extraterrestrials are around and have been here for a long time. What effect would this have on your view of religion, particularly LDS religion? For myself , I see LDS scriptures as saying there are myriad other worlds and other beings. There are quite a few other religions which deny such, and I suppose would have a harder time of it. I would still have questions about why they are allowed to interact with us and what connection they might have with God .
For those who claim the speed of light barrier would keep all ETS away, even if they exist, let's assume they are able to control the space time continuum
I would be very leery of them personally! Either it would be some Earthly government deceiving everyone so they can have more power by creating a new religion to control the masses, or it would be the same demonic deceivers that have always been warring against us since the war started in Heaven, just with a different mode of deception. Most likely it would be a combination of the two, perhaps that is what is meant by the Beast. Some kind genetic perversion of the human genome. It definitely wouldn't surprise me at all if so called, "aliens," suddenly made themselves known. It in no way, shape or form would ever shake my testimony of the gospel and true Savior of mankind.
I have seen many witness accounts that state that these alien beings are from another dimension. I have seen many accounts where they can appear as shape shifters (".....that being who beguiled our first parents, who transformeth himself nigh unto an angel of light, and stirreth up the children of men unto secret combinations of murder and all manner of secret works of darkness." 2 Nephi 9:9?). There are accounts of greys, reptilians (this category of aliens should make us think about the dragon who drew a third of the stars of heaven, and the serpent who beguiled Adam and Eve), goblins, little green men and Nordics (Angel of light?) to name a few. I truly think that these are very real, and are only Satan and his minions. Alister Crowley wrote the book on how to channel these beings from another dimension. It was borrowed heavily from when Anton LaVey wrote The Bible for the Church of Satan. Personally I think that there have been Luciferians who have channeled these demonic beings and was the inspiration for perpetuating the so called science of Evolution of species, but that is just my own opinion so I'll digress.I'm not saying that it is definitely the case on how the end time revelations are going to run out, but it surely is a scenario that could easily fit into what we have recorded in scripture:
"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."
Matthew 24:24"11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."
Revelation 13:11-18 (bolded words added for emphasis)At any rate. I don't think it would be healthy to embrace Aliens if they were to manifest themselves, nor try to fit them into the category of being from one of the other worlds that Heavenly Father has populated. We who have the gospel are the very elect. If something like that manifests itself it is time to rely upon the Holy Ghost to help us discern the truth, not our intellect, because our intellect will fail us, but the Holy Ghost will never fail us. Don't be deceived.
Just my two cent worth anyway.
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8 hours ago, Bill "Papa" Lee said:
First, it pointed out that no man or woman can know or have a testimony that Jesus is the Christ except the Holy Spirit bares witness of it.
Second, answers to prayers, and inspiration also come from the Holy Spirit.
Third, if we are not striving to live the commandments, the Holy Spirit is withdrawn and we are left to "kick against the pricks" and "amen to the Priesthood of that man".
Forth, if we are not living righteous lifes, we cannot enjoy the "Gift of the Holy Ghost", or have him as "our constant companion" D&C 121: 45-46.
Fifth, we can sin against against the the Father and the Son and be forgiven. But if we sin against the Holy Spirit, we cannot be forgiven "in this life or the next".
I am sure there are more examples...so I would enjoy any other examples, and any of your thoughts
1) I agree whole heartedly.
2) Again I agree. I also might add that He will guide us into all truth and even show us things to come in personal revelation, as well as inspiring us.
3) I am assuming you are talking about the gift of the Holy Ghost here. If that is the case I agree also. As far as the Holy Ghost testifying to someone for the first time of a gospel truth, like Christ is our living Savior, I don't think that is necessarily the case. Someone has to start somewhere and I have seen things like this change many of converts' lives around to the point that they then start to strive to keep the commandments from that point on, and are led more and more into the light as they continue to receive it.
4)I think it is more, if we are striving with full purpose of heart to live righteous lives we can enjoy the Holy Ghost as our constant companion, as long as we have been given that gift by the proper authority. I have many weaknesses and I have fallen to them many times. Often times I don't have to wait long until I have the Holy Ghost back with me as long as I instantly repent and ask for forgiveness. For instance I don't have to wait until the next time I get a chance to partake of the sacrament to get it back. I only have to truly try my best to repent and ask in prayer for forgiveness, as long as it isn't some grievous sin that I have chosen to do, and the Holy Ghost comes right back. If I don't pray and ask for forgiveness that isn't the case until the point where I truly try and sincerely repent again. The sacrament for me is just my outward renewal of my covenants to keep the commandments, which is still very necessary.
5) I think that is because of the first point. We can't know anything righteous is true except by the Holy Ghost testifying that truth to us, and if we then deny that truth after truly knowing in that manor, there is no greater sin than that and it won't be forgiven and by so denying we'll become a son of perdition. It is also a sin against God and our Savior to do so, not just a sin against the Holy Ghost
I would also like to add a couple of more things.
6) He will never tell us anything different than Heavenly Father or Jesus will tell us, they truly are perfectly, one in purpose.
7) He is called the Comforter for a very real reason. The only way to truly have real peace to any individual, group or nation is through Jesus and the gifts that our Father in Heaven has, and will, bestowed/bestow upon this Earth, including that gift of having the Holy Ghost with us at all times if we live worthily enough for that.
Just my two cents worth anyway.
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12 hours ago, Stargazer said:
The wording says: "prove it wrong". I guess. I don't see that as any less valid.
I think it amounts to saying "prove it's true", except from the other side.
On one occasion in my life, I made a decision that I took to the Lord in prayer, and was shown that it was not correct, or "not true." I do suppose that if a person who was investigating the Church decided that the Book of Mormon was not true, and took it in all faith to the Lord, he or she would ask "I've decided that the book is a fiction and has nothing to do with you. What do You say about it?" And I expect that the Lord would somehow manifest to that person that they were wrong about it.
That is exactly what happened to me. I couldn't see how the BoM could possibly be true because I had believed the deceptions that I had read in all the anti literature I had been given. I was challenged by a bishop to just read the BoM and pray about it anyway, to see if it was true or not. I was given a strong testimony that it is indeed true contrary to my belief that it was all false straight from the source of all truth. I wanted to know how it could possibly be true, even though I had found evidence showing other wise. I was told that is the reason I am to study it for my whole life and I would see how it could true regardless of what I had been led to believe. At the time it seemed like such a paradox, now in hindsight I can easily see the deceptions I had been led to believe were true, and it is no longer a paradox for me anymore, but it took a long time to logically figure out what God had told me what is true so long ago.
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19 hours ago, Calm said:
Wiki says "Joint Chief of Staffs", not the Cabinet. Bad enough, but it is a bit more understandable military people getting such bad tunnel vision as to think of this as an intelligent proposal.
It also talks about the problem of keeping it secret. I think they underestimated that.
Thanks for the correction.
Everybody, do not make this political.
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16 minutes ago, Calm said:
What in the world are you claiming? The suicide rate is so high because they are actually murders? And these murders are happening in Utah why?
No I was only answering this part of the request from the OP since I know where to find the ingredient list of vaccines from the CDC:
2 hours ago, notHagoth7 said:1) Pharmaceutical companies reportedly starting cutting corners on vaccines by using fetus tissue to accelerate the process. I frankly don't have the science background to know how valid such a claim is. Anyone have access to scour that data?
I have no claims whatsoever on suicide rates/murders in Utah, etc., since I haven't studied anything about it at all.
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On 2/25/2017 at 0:41 AM, notHagoth7 said:
Some in another thread thought it incredulous that any inside job would destroy American buildings and planes.
If they had read some of the documents that have been brought forth from the, "Freedom of Information Act," they would plainly see that it has been proposed before: http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf In fact all of the presidential cabinet signed off on it except for President Kennedy himself. So why would it be so incredulous that another similar operation was proposed and signed off by the all of them this time for the 9-11 incident?
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2 hours ago, notHagoth7 said:
Anyone have access to scour that data?
Here is a list of ingredients to vaccines: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf
The aborted human fetus material is often called, "Human Serum Albumin," or, "Human Albumin," or, "Human Diploid," etc..
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On 2/25/2017 at 0:39 PM, thesometimesaint said:
Again you post a very old and outdated video from 2008. It says it is scientific yet completely fails to add a whole slew of energy bombarding our planet in ways that effect our climate too. It only talks of radiation and how some of that gets converted into the longer infrared wavelength which does get blocked by some gases, but not nearly enough to cause a run away effect of global warming. It doesn't take into account the weakening electromagnetic shield protecting Earth as it has been mirroring the Sun's weakening of activity. It also doesn't take into account the fact that we are being bombarded by more cosmic rays than we have in the so called global warming time frame, which have been shown to cause more cloud cover which actually reflects the Sun's radiation more, making it less likely for the Earth to absorb it and create infrared energy to be radiated back out. See this in order to understand what I am talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANMTPF1blpQ Even on sunny days, snow and ice brought on by more clouds in the form of precipitation, also reflect the Sun's radiation too. Less heat getting to the Earth means less heat to get trapped. Your video doesn't take into account for the increased solar wind output that has increased exponentially with the Sun's weakening of activity which allows for far more coronal holes, allowing more solar wind to escape the Sun and a weakened electromagnetic Earth shield blocking less of it. When this energy hits the Earth it has been shown to cause the release of tectonic pressure that has built up here on Earth: http://earthchanges.org/ Volcanic particulates further block the Sun's radiation from reaching Earth as it gets reflected off of the ash clouds. Again less heat means less heat getting trapped. It isn't very scientific if it doesn't put all of the data in it's theories, even if it is a scientist claiming it is scientific to do so.
As far as the temperature data you have given here.... I already have shown how NOAA and NASA have altered data to fit their global warming narrative, but if it wasn't enough here is more: http://principia-scientific.org/washington-post-shamed-global-warming-fake-news/ So it isn't going to hold water for me either. It is far better to actually study the real time temperatures on sites like I linked to on my last reply from this thread. If you take a screen shot everyday and then average it out yourself you will see for yourself how NOAA and NASA flat out lie about their temperature data. You can start now and I'm quite certain that within just a few months you too will see just how far fetched they will say it is when they update it. It is glaringly evident by your continued use of outdated arguments and your complete blind faith in so called, "authority figures'," data, that you don't ever study any of this on your own so please stop regurgitating what you have been told in a vain effort to sway my belief in the facts that I personally study on a daily basis, and have studied in this way for five years now. I won't try to sway you either as it is evident that you are set in your belief. I will agree to disagree with you so we don't further high jack this thread. It wasn't my intention to do so when I first commented on this thread and it isn't fair to the original poster of this thread to have it shut down in a vane effort to see who can yell over the other on this one side topic. I respect you for wanting to believe what we are all told by those supposed authorities on the subject, I just can't believe them when they have been caught so red handed fabricating made up stats so many times, even though I wish I could trust them.
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23 hours ago, thesometimesaint said:
John L. Casey has no peer reviewed papers on climatology published in any scientific journal.
SEE http://environmentalforest.blogspot.com/2015/01/john-l-casey-and-climate-denial.html
Global Warming is happening faster than predicted.
SEE http://www.voanews.com/a/who-global-warming-happening-faster-than-predicted/3429127.html
I think you ought to think for yourself and actually check up to date data on what is happening with the climate, instead of having a complete blind faith in what we are all being told, never questioning the narrative. Of course the El Nino year we had last year brought warmer temperatures that rose really fast, but once that was gone and Winter set in for the Northern hemisphere temperature plummeted so fast that all time record cold has been recorded for most of the globe. It was no where near the, "warmest year ever," as NASA and NOAA predicted it would be. In the Southern hemisphere it snowed 4 times in New Zealand this summer, and I'm not talking about light dustings either. It also snowed in Austrailia and Tasmania this summer. This isn't at all normal. It's like if Tennessee received a bunch of snow in July. Peer reviews mean absolutely nothing if a theory fails at predicting anything at all, especially in 18 years. It means nothing if the scientists who refuse to do peer reviews on a theory that has over an 80% success rate of correct predictions in lieu of corrupting and manipulating information to fit a failed theory that has an absolute 0% success rate at predicting anything correctly at all.
We have gone round and round on this topic before and all you have ever done is cite outdated links, when up to date data is what is real, not falsified rumors and fake news stories perpetuated by political agendas and corrupt scientists who are too afraid to speak the truth for fear of being left unfunded by their political money fountains, while cherry picking facts to keep everyone believing lies. I think you would do yourself a huge service to actually open your mind to the truth and look for yourself at the real data. If you don't know where to look you can start here: https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/overlay=temp/orthographic=-128.43,8.92,187 for checking global temperatures. You can click on the word, "Earth," and a menu pops up where you can check all kinds of data on the globe. There are a ton of other remote temperature sensing cites from satellites that give global temperature data too but I don't feel like spending too much time putting links up for you since you obviously choose to ignore anything that I post anyway and don't even check into it for yourself. Just so you know NOAA has been caught a number of times altering their data to hoodwink people into thinking that Global Warming is real: https://realclimatescience.com/2016/10/more-on-the-noaa-texas-temperature-fraud/For daily updates on what is really going on with our Earth's climate you can watch this Youtube channel, which always provides all the links to check on the facts for yourself if you don't believe what is being said. It will help you stay informed much better, if you actually check the facts for yourself too, than if you just keep digging up old stories from the past to justify your blind faith in the mainstream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mWyttDl7Tw
If you don't want to check things out for yourself, well then we will just see exactly how feasible it really would be to send people to Mars in 2030, when everyone is starving and diseased riddled due to lack of quality food supplies and suppressed immune systems because they are malnourished due to shortened crop seasons, floods and hail events, let alone all the tectonic disturbances that are going to further the global cooling by volcanic pollution, etc.. I don't want to side track this thread anymore and time will tell the truth regardless of what anyone believes anyway.
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23 hours ago, thesometimesaint said:
John L. Casey is a well known crank.
I'm not sure what you mean by crank, but so far the rate of his predictions coming true is over 80%, While the Global warming predictions have all failed for nearly 20 years with 0% correct predictions in all that time.
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12 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:
An almost atavistic view, waveslider, but 2030 is only a few short years away. Anyone want to start the clock? It will be interesting to see which set of problems bring us catastrophe.
It isn't so much atavistic as it is repeating cycles that have shown to be just like clock work, if you care to go back and study the natural patterns of the Sun and the effects it causes upon all the planets within our solar system. It is no more atavistic than the 11 year solar cycles that most people are at least aware of. John L. Casey, policy advisor to the White House and Congress, Senior Field Engineer on the Space Shuttle Program and consultant to NASA, and CEO of the International Earthquake and Volcano Prediction Center has already started the clock. You can read about it in his newest book: https://play.google.com/store/books/details?id=r2bWDQAAQBAJ&source=productsearch&utm_source=HA_Desktop_US&utm_medium=SEM&utm_campaign=PLA&pcampaignid=MKTAD0930BO1&gclid=CIDwxIympNICFfAYfgodzMMA2Q&gclsrc=ds
If you don't care to purchase the book you might just want to watch the interview about it for free: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTJCY6M-3fY
Or you can even look at all the revelations for the end times and see many of the very same things that sound science is also predicting here, although the revelations aren't giving such specific dates.
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12 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:
Humans have already been to the Moon, and NASA plans a manned mission to Mars for the 2030s. Now the United Arab Emirates have proposed placing a permanent colony on Mars by 2117, and Elon Musk seems to be on the same wavelength. Does this pose any problem for LDS theology, or for any other religious belief system? Do we need to develop some sort of planetary or galactic theology? Or is it already there in the Book of Abraham and Doctrine & Covenants?
Ryan Sedmak, “Obama plans to send humans to Mars by 2030s,” Mashable, Oct 11, 2016, online at http://mashable.com/2016/10/11/sending-humans-to-mars-by-2030/?utm_campaign=Mash-BD-Synd-Yahoo-Science-Full&utm_cid=Mash-BD-Synd-Yahoo-Science-Full#6zcSaKAx6kqz .
Miriam Kramer, “The United Arab Emirates wants to build a city on Mars,” Mashable, Feb 19, 2017, online at https://www.yahoo.com/news/united-arab-emirates-wants-build-180000012.html ,
I personally don't think that this will happen in the 2030s because according to the regular 206 year patterns of global cooling caused by the Sun's inactivity we will be struggling so hard to even have enough food and keep disease and pestilence down that to even think about any type of space travel will be just a pipe dream at that time. Food already is in a huge shortage from all the flooding, hail and freezing in the fields, and we are just barely going into the Eddy Minimum. We still have a few more years before it's a full blown mini ice age and no one is preparing just because of political agendas and corrupt scientists perpetuating the false idea that us humans are causing the Earth to warm as they constantly falsify data to try and show that the Earth is warming due to our use of carbon, when in reality it is actually cooling due to the Sun which has always driven our weather. I know I will get a bunch of crap thrown at me for stating this by those who have been completely fooled into believing the myth of Global Warming, but with the internet we can easily see where NOAA and NASA fabricate false temperature data just by looking at the temperature maps of the world that they produce and comparing them to where they do and don't have any data coming in for temperature. It amazes me how many times they have recorded record heat in areas where there are no temperature reading stations at, and by comparing them to real time remote temperature readings that show the opposite of what they are trying to make us all believe.
Time will tell for anyone who doesn't believe this, but I'm quite certain that life as we know it won't exist anymore by 2030. We either have to adapt or we won't make it. I hope everyone has their year supplies as food prices climb sky high due to shortened growing seasons. So space flight to Mars will be the least of our concerns by then.1 -
There's been a few things that I have learned on this site and humbly had to cede my point of view, but I have to admit that it is rare. On occasion I have also seen over thinking of subject matter to the point where it only serves to blind people from the simple basic truths on both sides of a disputed opinion, kind of like ignoring a giant elephant in the room.
Recently I have grown fairly bored on this site because so many people rely so heavily on, "science," facts as is taught secularly, while discounting spiritual sources for truth, when there are so many questionable, "science," facts that so many people take as being completely, "settled," here on this board. This is why I haven't really been around here lately. Science needs to be questioned just as much as spiritual enlightenment is questioned on this site. Unfortunately I just don't see that happening anytime soon, so for the most part there really aren't too many things people cite that change my point of view since I rely on prayerful study to come to a knowledge of truth. When it comes to things that I have been shown in personal revelation, there truly is nothing that anyone can cite that will change my mind. When it comes to things I don't have a distinct answer on, perhaps I can be persuaded by certain citations.
That all said there are quite a few things I have learned from lurking on threads where I didn't feel like I had anything to say that could contribute anything worthwhile to a given conversation. Mostly though, it seems like most of the conversations are nothing more than a rehash of the same types of arguments that keep getting thrown around in circular reasoning.
My personal opinion is that either people put credence solely in man made wisdoms and philosophies, or they rely upon divine answers to settle any misconceptions of what truth is. I personally am one of the latter. I tend to think this is why no one can convince people one way or another by logic alone. To me this is what is meant by the, "mysteries of God." A revelation doesn't come through logic so it remains a mystery to anyone who doesn't believe in revelatory experiences. I am open minded though and don't mind checking things out that someone tries to convince me opposite to what I already know.... at least it lets me know what others believe and allows me to perhaps think of better ways to try and bridge the gap between secularism and divine revelation.
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I think it’s between you and the Lord if it is breaking the word of wisdom. I’m going through throat cancer right now and in my state we do have legalized cannabis. I have done a lot of research, fasting, prayer and pondering on the subject. In the end I decided to use it. I researched my best access to medical advice available to me and got dosages for both THC and CBD specific to my type of cancer. I got my medical cannabis card so I would be legal and changed my diet. I also spoke to my bishop about it and he never even blinked like anything was wrong. He wants me to keep my temple recommend and everything, no worries, but this is just my experience and it doesn’t mean everyone would be obeying the WOW if they did it too.
That said, it has been a hard time finding the right CBD oil, because it is so unregulated that much of what is available is truly snake oil. Much of it is processed in unhealthy ways and some of it doesn’t even have any CBD in it at all. There are, however, a few brands that are very good. The brand I went with was, “Medterra.” It is sold online by a hemp farm in Kentucky and they legally send it to all 50 states in the U.S.. It is all organically grown without GMOs. It’s 3rd party tested by a non biased lab to make sure it matches its labeling, and is extracted using CO2 instead of alcohol or other even more harmful solvents and has 0 percent THC in it. (I would never use the alcohol kind because it can react bad to your body, like cause heartburn and things that the CO2 kind won’t cause. The other solvents are even worse) I got the tincture that has 3,000 mgs of CBD in it, per 30mls. It comes with a dropper that has graduated lines so you can figure out exactly how many mgs you are taking.
As far as the THC and other turpines and flavonoids I had to shop around for a good dispensary. Luckily I found the best one, because all the others were so thinned out that I would have had to spend nearly $10,000 dollars to get enough medicine to carry me through all of my chemo and radiation treatments, since most of them seem to be more geared towards vaping and smoking instead. I needed tincture and the good dispensary that I found had tincture that had enough THC mgs in it to make it far more affordable. All in all CBD included, I was able to get enough medication to more than carry me through all of my treatments for around $1,200. (This is the reason that in the states that fully legalize it for recreation too, that the number of people using medical cannabis diminishes.... because it’s far cheaper to not process it into good medicine than if you just sell it to recreational users, so good medical cannabis becomes too scarce to even find)
I’m currently recuperating from all of my chemo and radiation but my tumor is almost all gone now and is still shrinking. Both of my oncologists were stunned how quickly my tumor shrank. They even had to remap the tumor half way through the treatments because they only needed to target the smaller area where my tumor remained for the radiation. I wasn’t even able to take the medical cannabis and CBD for the last 2 weeks of treatment because I got hospitalized during that time and they wouldn’t let me use anything but their meds while in there. During this time the shrinkage slowed in its progress, but I was allowed to resume after. My most disbelieving oncologist didn’t believe it would work, but I’m quite certain he might be wondering just a little bit if it did, unless he just chalks it up to the placebo effect. I’m not out of the woods yet. I’ve still got a stomach tube to feed myself and stay hydrated because it’s really hard to swallow. I can barely swallow Sacrament when it’s brought over every Sunday, but hopefully in the next couple of months I’ll be doing fine.
A quick google search does show in many published, peer reviewed papers that not only does THC kill cancer cells, but also that CBD stops metastasis and the spread of cancer cells, for any doubters in its medicinal use. The Israelis have studied it far more than a decade. For more information on it’s medicinal properties and successes, as well as some failures, go to, “the sacred plant.com,” and see one of their docuseries, as well as (was mentioned in an earlier comment) Netflix’s, “Weed The People.” For anyone facing life or death and is looking for proper dosages, go to, “auntzeldas.org/consultation and pay the $300 to skype Dr Mc Ilroy. You also get free, unlimited follow up e-mails, that he is usually prompt to respond from.... at least in my personal experience. Also he checked for compatibility with all my regular meds as well, including my chemo because some types of chemo will have a really bad reaction to cannabis. As a rule of thumb, anything that can’t be taken if you eat grapefruit will also have a bad reaction to cannabis.
By the way I take 2 large doses of CBD a day, and it has made me super drowsy every day, but I have 2 huge, full bottles of super strong opiate based pain pills that I didn’t take against my oncologist’s orders and my pain is easily bearable. That oncologist told me that I needed to take the pain meds so that my body could get used to it until I could take a full prescribed dose or I’d be really sorry when the pain started to get bad. It never got bad, and talk about drowsy.... when I first got them I took one and I was far to loopy to even feel comfortable. As far as my THC dose it is also a lot. It is 70 mgs per day, 63 mgs just before bed and 7 mgs upon waking in the morning. If I don’t sleep right away, I’ll be hallucinating and never be able to fall asleep. I know because someone called me once just before I fell asleep and I stayed up talking too long, and before I knew it I felt horrible. It wasn’t enjoyable at all! For some reason if I was already sleeping and had to wake up to go to the bathroom or something, I was able to go right back to sleep, because I remained really drowsy while I got up. I just had to go slow so I wouldn’t accidentally fall over from being dizzy. I too had to start with smaller doses of both CBD and THC until my body got used to it as well. These herbs are very potent and shouldn’t be taken willy nilly, if you ask me, but if you do want to try CBD on your own, I would start out with small amounts until it starts to work.
Hopefully this is helpful to someone in need. I wasn’t going to post but when I read this I could see that many of you aren’t very informed about it yet.