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cksalmon

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  1. As the teachings of foreordination continues to gain steam, this being that God hath foreordained all who would receive salvation from the beginning, and that Christ must “draw” you to himself, and that we are not free to choose.

    Well, actually, what Christ said was that the Father must draw the sinner to himself. "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him" (Joh 6:44 ESV). Yes, there is causation and purpose here. If the Father draws just everyone to himself equally and without any distinction, there is little point to Christ's pointing the distinction out. Now, bear in mind, that this saying ("No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him") is an explication of what Christ said earlier, "[36] But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. [37] All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out" (Joh 6:36-37 ESV).

    The reason that Jesus can say of some that "you have seen me and yet do not believe" is given in what follows:

    "All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out"

    and, fundamentally:

    "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him."

    This of course in conflict with the above listed scripture 2 Nephi 26: 33

    As you're the one who posits the conflict, I guess I can do no less than grant that there is one.

    Also, you said in another thread: "True but James Dodson was racked over the coals for speaking at many LDS functions." I haven't been able to find any reference to such events or happenings. Will you elaborate?

    c

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