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  1. My, make assumptions much?  Go back and read the quotes in context.  DID YOU SEE A SINGLE WORD THAT PROMOTED EXCLUSIVITY?  FEAR? HATE?  ETC.  It is the type of utter drivel that makes the conversation so bloody difficult.  


    The teaching is to promote harmony between two people and that is all.  The more different the backgrounds - cultural, racial, etc. the more potentially difficult times the couple will experience as well as the children.  This just is so frustrating it makes me want to spit tacks.  




    You are imagining things. I use words like, encourage and emphasize, not exclusivity. I end my post by summarizing that a tradition which encourages racial divides is based on fear and hate. This could only be untrue if you feel racism is a good and just thing.


    The way you make up what I said instead of reading it "is the type of utter drivel that makes the conversation so bloody difficult."

  2. Traditional marriage defined by tyrannical authority needs to be undermined. The Aaronic Priesthood manual used today still discourages interracial marriage for crying out loud. The manual emphasizes this with a quote from the former Church President, Spencer W. Kimball, who said, "We recommend that people marry those who are of the same racial background generally..."  This guide to traditional marriage, which encourages a racial divide, is found at the Church's own website. Why is this still being taught? Traditions are not automatically good things. That is why the Book of Mormon spends a good deal discounting tradition. We must undermine tradition went its root is hate, fear, and discrimination.

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  3. Apostates first admit to being wrong when they become apostates. Discovering you were wrong should not carry some awful connotation. A scientist revels in being proven wrong because it means he or she can eliminate what wasn't truth from their lives.


    I don't like the idea of the word of wisdom or apposing everybody [edited - Watch the language!] everybody as being divine inspiration. STDs have been known about for centuries. Anyone who has taken their first stinging swig of alcohol or choked as they inhaled their first cigarette knows it's not good for you.

  4. Where in LDS scripture or doctrine does it say that this issue depends on whether or not the Prophet is actively seeking on the issue?


    I think i understand what you are saying, but it doesn't seem to actually have anything to do with the teachings on the church on the issue of how revelation for the church is received.


    Except for the part where the Church was founded because, according to teachings of the Church, no one was listening or asking the right questions for more than a thousand years.

  5. They were coming from a particular ideology. When it comes to religion however, no church can be seen to be kowtowing to such political pressure from its members. It basically sends the message that the church is then run by human beings and not by god. So, we do have a difference between women getting the right to vote in the secular world but such pressure would not work within a religious faith which claims revelation.


    And this is why the Orthodox Church, the Catholic Church and the LDS church cannot be seen to be submitting to member pressure.


    A castle is run by servants, the White House is run by its staff. The Church is run by human beings in service to their God. The Church has already been seen "kowtowing" through the abandonment of polygamy on Earth whilst adhering to the Twelfth Article of Faith. The Doctrine and Covenants contain answers to members' questions about the Church.

  6. Do you believe that God would call a prophet to lead His church, and then give revelation for how the church is supposed to function to a random member so that the random member could fix the problem?


    Um, isn't that kind of what the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is based on? Also, the Doctrine and Covenants contain revelation prompted by various "random" members' questions and concerns.



    When one thinks about it, god seems to be very 'sexist'. The trinity is male. The twelve apostles were men. And the bible writers in the NT were men. Christian faiths do not have a heavenly mother. They just have a male god. If OW ever takes up the cause of heavenly mother it wouldn't be based on a normal feeling but on advocating more equality within the heavenly family.


    And advocating equality is not a normal feeling?



    Because she doesn't seem to act with inspiration but rather she acts with a political ideology. Thus the problem.



    I suppose some people who supported giving women the right to vote were acting with a political ideology. I don't think that is a problem. Basic human rights, while debated politically, come from a higher ideology.

  7. Thing is, God doesn't contradict Himself. You can't have the Brethren inspired one way and Kate Kelly's group inspired the opposite way and regard both as having been inspired of God.


    Someone might view some of God's commandment as contradictions. For example: He commands that we shall not kill, even writes it on a fancy tablet, and the commands His servants to kill throughout the Bible and Book of Mormon. My understanding behind the 6th commandment is that people shall not decide who lives and who dies - that is for God to decide.


    It may be that what appears to be a contradiction in this case is also a misunderstanding. Of course, that sort of thinking would be awfully convenient for anyone who wishes to go against God's commandments.

  8. I don't think that it is flooded by fear mongers. But one needs to know their foundational ideology in order to understand their tactics. I have said it from the beginning that they are using church vocabulary to lure lds women into supporting them and yet, have the same tactics as any radical feminist organization attacking patriarchy. And if we take it a step further, heavenly father is a male and as such, they would most likely feel more comfortable praying to heavenly mother, which will also be on their agenda if they get their way with the priesthood.


    Some children are more comfortable discussing certain things with there father and certain other things with their mother. That's a pretty normal feeling.

  9. Those participating in these group discussions would be subject to the temple recommend questions regarding affiliating/associating with an apostate group.


    Anyone with a friend, relative, coworker, neighbor or acquaintance "whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" is subject to that temple recommend question. That's mostly everyone.

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  10. The Book of Mormon struggles to support itself so I don't expect external evidences to do it many favors. As an example, the current edition has many differences from the 1830 edition.


    1830 Edition (1)

    1 Nephi Chapter 3 Page 32 (The chapters have been reorganized since, for ease of access)

    "...the Lamb of God is the Eternal Father and the Saviour of the world..."


    Current Edition (2)

    1 Nephi 13:40 (The book is now organized into 22 chapters instead of just 6)

    "...the Lamb of God is the Son of the Eternal Father, and the Savior of the world..."


    There are many instances in 1 Nephi where the Lamb of God is God in the 1830 edition that have been changed to show the Lamb of God as the Son of God in subsequent editions. Other changes include the names of characters and the addition or removal of words like 'no, not, etc' which change the whole meaning of verses.


    Some of these changes are for clarity, such as changing Joseph Smith from the author to the translator.




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  11. I don't think it's fair to say that a man firing a gun at a mob is not the mark of someone who would urge his people to put down their guns.


    The meaning could be, "Put down your guns, [i got this]." I don't mean to say that Smith planned on firing upon the mob at the start. He may also have meant it as, "Put down your guns, [God will provide a way]." Following this line of thinking, when later facing vicious mob Smith may have looked at the gun in his hand and thought, this must be the way God provided. Of course, it could have been sheer panic, too.


    I do not know many of the facts surrounding the situation, but I don't think it's unusual for a patriarch to protect his charges by urging them not to fight and then later fight himself.

  12. According to the link found in the Hot Button Topics post at the top of the forum:


    Where the Church stands:

    The experience of same-sex attraction is a complex reality for many people. The attraction itself is not a sin, but acting on it is. Even though individuals do not choose to have such attractions, they do choose how to respond to them. With love and understanding, the Church reaches out to all God’s children, including our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters.
    Apparently, God allows people to be born gay because "The attraction itself is not a sin..."
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