Calm

Nvm….only the one defendant…

https://apnews.com/article/california-child-sexual-assault-lawsuit-settlement-b0b80f5f6cd3fdb3882f8ba4ed78bc29 If the Church and the mother settled and the stepfather didn’t bother showing up, would they have just admitted the daughter’s story and her evidence?

From a later interview or public statement… https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chad-daybell-children-mother-asphyxiated/ This is almost a year after the first interview. That “still” suggests he at least has some doubts about his father’s involvement by then, why put the “still” in there is there was no issue? You say things like “I still love you” when there are problems, but you don’t see them as big enough to destroy a relationship. “There’s still connection” and only that suggests to me the connection is not as strong as it once was. Maybe they (or at least Mark) don’t believe CD murdered their mother, but that he opened the door for it to happen by having this relationship, the “emotional affair”.

Someone on WS posted the transcript that includes the only interview as far as I am aware of the Daybell children, so I was reading it again to refresh my memory and a couple of things struck me. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chad-daybell-children-claim-he-was-fooled-lori-vallow-48-hours/?intcid=CNI-00-10aaa3b He had been saying for years according to witnesses his wife was going to die, so it seems he either didn’t believe his own crap or he is playing the grieving husband. Of course if it was natural, he might just be shocked and too much in the moment to remember he had been expecting this for years because it was meant to be. My question, as I understand it, she was supposedly dead for hours when she allegedly fell out of bed…exactly how does that happen? I wonder if the raccoon problem was a creation of CD’s he prepared for several days to explain activities on the day of the burning and burial of Tylee. Garth doesn’t say anything about seeing them for himself and they hadn’t trapped any since the raccoons were supposedly too big. I hope they ask him when he is a witness (tomorrow or Monday iirc) if all he knew about the raccoons was through his father. I hate that he has to go through this, one more thing his dad is guilty of because he won’t confess and is trying to escape responsibility. So why hasn’t the defense paid for a documented search of the secondary site? They likely have limited funds, so my guess is they asked CD if it would be worth the investment and he said no. I hope the prosecution has an explanation as to why the police never dug it up. My guesses are CD never gave that story as part of an explanation of what he was doing because he knew there was no raccoon or the scent dogs never triggered on the second area…which might be an issue since there were apparently dead pets buried there. And yet they give no examples…

Several have mentioned it. It was either his sister or his cousin who suggested the stuck as a 16 year old, iirc. I mentioned it above and said something about a 16 year old still knows it’s wrong to murder someone.

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2023/04/day-17-live-updates-alex-coxs-prints-found-on-plastic-discovered-with-jj-vallows-body-expert-testifies/ Yesterday was much more damning. However, as someone pointed out on WB, if Alex has been confirmed to be part of the burial of JJ, since CD states he was in the same location at that time in his text to Tammy, it makes sense he was there for the same purpose as Alex….though of course CD had not mentioned Alex was there, the dots have to be connected.

That is disappointing. At least directly connected to Alex, but defense will just blame him as everyone has been assuming they would do anyway.

This question makes no sense…if someone's hair is loose in a body bag, there has to be a logical reason why it is there. The only thing I can think of is it’s meant to create a doubt in quality care. If there was anything of significant value in the DNA testing besides showing identity and tools that were handy were used by someone, I am not getting it. Maybe it was just showing they were thorough.

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Looks like it is just about establishing identity so far.

Nate is honest, lol:

I am assuming at the point this was done postmortem in order to speed up burning or to make burial easier after unsuccessful burning. (A bonfire is not even close to hot enough to cremate a body.) https://www.eastidahonews.com/2023/04/day-17-live-updates-fbi-anthropologist-back-on-the-stand-in-daybell-trial/

JJ was supposedly sleeping in the same room as his mother, whose door was locked and who didn’t answer in the middle of the night when Melanie Gibb texted and knocked to ask help for David Warrick, who was sleeping in JJ’s room. LVD apparently claimed that JJ had climbed over the cabinets and resisted getting down from them in the middle of the night or very early morning. He was nowhere to be seen when Gibb and Warrick got up that morning. Supposedly he was with his uncle, his mom not being able to control him. Of course, more likely he was dead by then. She didn’t have an alibi for him or Tylee, just for Tammy. The evidence was that Tylee was dead when her body was burned. There was enough left to be tested.

Most definitely. Likely took two people, imo. And he was in her locked room that night.

Graphic warning again…..court adjourned after Dr. Christiansen’s testimony on Tylee’s bones. She will be back tomorrow. I hope they explain what this implies.

I get into them lots of time if they are based on mythology or create their own, but the shows that revel in the horror, repulsiveness side of it, no thanks. The horror lite probably can manage. Just make sure the demons are interesting looking and not gross, lol.

Not much competition.

I have very little problem with nudity actually as long as not sexualized or distorted.

I can watch unrealistic violence where no one obviously suffers (martial arts shows), the skill of it…like watching ballet with blood; but if there is wallowing in the gore or abuse it disgusts me. I can’t watch bullying or anything that degrades someone for very long, especially if for humor. I tend to avoid sitcoms for that reason. Parents being abusive, teens being manipulative of each other…ugh. And yet crime shows tend to fascinate me, the puzzle solving aspect and the science (I have to check if the gadgets and tests are realistic, get turned off with sci-fi presented as fact), watching the leads trying to figure out how the criminal thinks. I will fast forward over the crime if they show it though. I don’t watch the torture, the suffering or fear. I can’t watch war films unless really unrealistic because people do suffer like that and I find war itself disgusting because of what happens to cause them as much as the suffering, too often needless. War is wholesale abuse for me. I would prefer to watch a documentary rather than a drama if necessary to learn about, I don’t want my emotions being played with by the music and camera angles, by using beautiful, idealized actors, by exaggeration or downplaying, etc. My reactions probably aren’t that consistent on the surface, but I think if it engages my mind, if I am focusing more on how something is done rather than getting emotionally entangled, it affects me quite differently. The first energizes, the latter feels sordid if there is darkness. There is lots of G and PG stuff I won’t watch.

I was rolling my eyes up in Canada when my husband was watching stuff he would not have watched in the US, but at least it got him to think more about content when making choices than labels other people made. By the time we moved back he was ignoring the US rating system…for good reason imo. That it’s okay to have some swear a couple of times before drawing a line is ridiculous imo. Either take it seriously or forget it. That is like saying one full frontal exposure is fine, but two or three or whatever suddenly makes the film inappropriate….as if one exposure is less noticeable when it is actually much more noticeable when it happens and turns swearing into something that gets attention.

Wow. I would have thought this was SOP everywhere. Bold above…I assume the attorney is just trying to connect with the jury, goodness knows his client isn’t likely to be doing so having been seen by the jury laughing and smiling so shortly after viewing the horrific photos of her son. But good for the coroner to put him in his place given the importance of not holding actual science to the magical standards of much of TV and movie CSI dramas. It is hard to see what the benefit of pushing the no swabbing might be except to criticize the coroner for doing an incomplete, allegedly sloppy job….but really it makes no sense to belabor it given the evidence there is unless one is heavily into conspiracies and thinks the government has endless money to spend on just in case tests. Bet the audience took the chance to laugh like a small breeze of fresh air making its way to them in the middle of a nasty peasouper. added:

Back… LVD has turned her back to the monitor so she can ignore the photos though the doctor is vocally describing them, Someone on WS said her punishment should be to live in a cell papered with these photos, I could agree with that. At least till there was remorse. Testimony is gruesome and is not providing any additional info so far.

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