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  1. I'm going to push back hard against this line of thinking. The belief that if you don't get married you're going to end up abusing children is whacked. Marriage doesn't prevent pedophilia and not having sex doesn't cause it.
  2. I don't know the story of Alma apart from what you've posted here. Did Alma actually commit grievous sins? If so, then this is not an example of scruples. Scruples are when you obsess over whether or not some little tiny thing is or is not a sin, when you feel huge guilt for something that is not worthy of guilt, when you are paralyzed from action for fear of sin, when you can only see a God of justice and no mercy, etc.
  3. Right. I didn't mean to imply that standard LDS aren't conscientious. I guess I was just looking for an equivalent term in LDS-speak to describe someone who struggles with this. Us Catholics have a name, category, and hierarchy for everything. We're very taxonomic, ha. I think it stems from the Aristotelian influences on Aquinas and then Aquinas's influence on the Church in the middle ages. Dante is an excellent example of this. Everything fits somewhere, and if it doesn't, it's a mystery of faith ๐Ÿ˜
  4. I think we totally agree. I was responding to your idea that those who suffer from scruples/scrupulosity would not leave religion. I was pointing out that Catholicism teaches that scruples can lead to despair within the religion or an indulgence in sin outside of it, meaning that they choose to leave religion to get a respite from scruples. So I think we are on the same page as to what scruples/scrupulosity means
  5. Catholicism teaches that scruples leads to despair or indulgence in sin. I think the latter comes from simply giving up. I mean, if you're going to feel terrible and guilty anyways, might as well have a reason to, perhaps. Or maybe the despair leads to the indulgence. In any case, what a terrible thing to suffer.
  6. It seems that "conscientious Saints" would be the equivalent to someone suffering "scruples." I think someone suffering from scruples would focus on the first part (can be achieved) and ignore the last part (in our sphere). Thanks for sharing the article!
  7. Spanish? Piffle (to use smac's word). Let's go bigger to the inquisition that has full jurisdiction over the entire Church. It used to be called the "Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition." Now with that title, you know these guys mean business, but then someone wimped out and renamed it to its current name of "Congregation of the Doctrine of Faith." I hope they don't rename it again to "courts of love"
  8. Does the LDS church have any teachings on this? Catholicism has long understood and dealt with what we call "scruples." Here's our definition from the Catholic Encyclopedia (1907): I like how it says scruples does not have spiritual benefit, but is in fact an evil. There are lots of directions and advice given to confessors (the priest who hears your confession) to help people suffering from scruples. It ranges from forbidding the reading of certain types of books, such as books that focus on rigorous asceticism, and to the prescribing of certain harmless pleasures. It is also important to teach about grace and forgiveness. I attend a parish that offers the traditional sacraments, and I have heard a sermon or two about scruples. I assume that there are some who suffer from it in the parish and Father knows from the confessional. I could see someone drawn to the traditional sacraments being more prone to scruples. Have you ever heard this specifically addressed in sacrament meeting or general conference before?
  9. I say you take a page from the history of the Catholic Church. Man, we used to really know how to run discipline courts...
  10. Palantirs can be dangerous: "They are not all accounted for, the lost Seeing Stones. We do not know who else may be watching!"
  11. Hey Scott, thanks! We don't need to derail the thread into a discussion about civil disobedience, but I'll point out some differences between the two events. The protest I attended was planned in advance and the police were notified. The police rerouted traffic away from the intersection (one of the busiest in the city). We knelt in the intersection for 8 minutes. I wasn't involved in any of the planning or anything, I just showed up to support it after it was advertised. The idea was that people can wait in their cars for 8 minutes to honor a man who had been murdered by a police officer and to draw attention to the issue of police abuse. There was no violence or threatening of cars. After the 8 minutes, we got back on the sidewalks and continued to march. Yes, we were breaking rules by being in the intersection, but I think the police had the right approach to it. They kept everyone safe and allowed us to do it.
  12. Pre-pandemic times parents were allowed to visit my school anytime they wanted. They just had to sign in at the front, have ID checked, and get a visitor badge. If a parent wanted to be in the school on a regular basis, they needed to fill out a packet and get a background check done. My school has an SRO (school resource officer) here all day, so there is a police presence. He's a nice guy, too. He joined a class discussion of mine over Thoreau's "Civil Disobedience." It was good to get his perspective on acts of civil disobedience. Turns out he was one of the officers at the BLM protest I attended last summer where we blocked an intersection for 8 minutes. I thanked him for not arresting me. He laughed and said they had planned carefully for the march to make sure traffic could go where it needed to and that protestors could engage in non-violent civil disobedience. Ok, bell is about to ring. I'm off to indoctrinate my students in the ways of godless Marxism! (oh, I mean to say that we are analyzing the tenets of modernism as they show up in "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock" by T.S. Eliot).
  13. This is cool! The Stations of the Cross have long been a devotion of mine. I live really close, walking distance, to a beautiful old church (well, technically it's a minor basilica) and often go there to pray the stations. When the church is locked the office staff give me the key to go in alone, and I really love the quietness as I move through the stations. Here is the interior. You can see a few of the stations on the wall: Here is a close-up of the thirteenth station: I like that the stations are traditional. I also like that they are a bit 3-D. I REALLY dislike modern/contemporary depictions of the stations. For example, on the youtube video at 24:40. I mean... really? Psychedelic Jesus next to John Lennon? Please, let's retain our Catholic identity -- the music is certainly Catholic. (Sorry about my rant there. I get so frustrated when Catholics try not to be aesthetically Catholic.) Thanks for sharing, Smac! +PAX+ Jesse
  14. A Mormon and a Mason! Oh my! Get behind me, Satan!
  15. That was very interesting read. Thank you for sharing it! I appreciated Peterson's take on the apostasy, too. Reasonable and non-confrontational.
  16. Um, that article doesnโ€™t say anything about Marxism or godlessness...
  17. As I pointed out before, I teach English at a public high school. I am not a Marxist, nor are any of the teachers I know (I suppose there could be some closet Marxists among the faculty, but I would really be surprised). My curriculum is not Marxist. The English department curriculum is not Marxist. I know the teachers of US history and world history, and they are not Marxists, either. I suppose you could say our school is "godless" because God is not worshipped there, but that is how it should be. Among my students there are Hindus, Buddhists, and Muslims. Atheists, too. But I'd also say our school is not "godless" because the work of God goes on there. The sheer number of families that our school has supported during the pandemic would probably blow your mind. I live in a high poverty area, and for many students school is the only place were they find safety and stability. When the schools shut down, we had to take our resources to them. Food boxes, clothing, internet, computers. We got it to them. We fed the hungry and clothed the naked. One of my students wrote a journal entry about how her father had lost his job and the only thing she had for dinner the night before was white rice with garlic powder. I immediately contacted our staff member in charge of the food pantry and that very day she delivered food boxes to my student's house. I think Christ was very pleased with that.
  18. But do the members of that commune take turns acting as an executive officer for the week, whose decisions are ratified at special bi-weekly meetings (simple majority for internal affairs, two-thirds majority for more major affairs)?
  19. I teach English at a public high school. I guess when I look around me, at my fellow teachers, at my wonderful students, at the staff who supports us and the parents who help us, I don't see an institution that is causing the world to "ripen in iniquity." Quite the opposite, actually. I see people who love and care for children, who try their best to make up for difficult home lives and socio-economic disadvantages. People who push children to be better both intellectually and morally. I invite you to come visit my public high school. Perhaps we can walk the halls together and you can point out the ways that we are ruining the world? I suppose you might look at our daycare facilities, which have received the highest rankings for something like 7 years in a row, and decry our "support" of teen pregnancy (never mind that the mothers and fathers are required to take classes on how to parent, how to budget, how to be an adult in order to have their children cared for while they finish high school). Maybe you'd scoff at our nationally award winning multi-media broadcast program, because, you know, media and fake news. It's easy to be removed from the actual lives of children and call the institution that often gives them the most support "godless." I'll also add, based on your posting history, that you seem to be looking forward to the death and destruction prophesied before the second coming.
  20. Latin is the official language of Vatican City. The ATMs have Latin as a language option. And people say Latin is a dead language...
  21. The traditional Catholic economic model is distributism, which rejects both socialism and capitalism. Check out the wiki entry on it here: distributism
  22. I agree. I will fully defend the cost of building beautiful cathedrals and chapels.
  23. When someone asks me my religion, I don't say "Christian," I say "Catholic." When I hear someone say, "Christian," I immediately assume they are protestant. Just an interesting observation from my experience. There are Christian groups out there who claim that Catholics aren't Christian. In fact, a lot of groups that call you guys a cult also call us a cult. That's why I'm on this board, for inter-cult dialogue ๐Ÿ˜
  24. I'm very uncomfortable with this way of thinking and always push back against it in pro-life people. It dehumanizes the child, demonizes the mother and/or father, and skews what parenthood is about. Viewing a pregnancy as a punishment for a mistake or bad decision means that the child is a negative consequence. That goes contrary to the premise of pro-life. An innocent child is just that, an innocent child. She is not a punishment. She is not a jail cell. She is a beautiful life to be celebrated. Of course this doesn't mean that a pregnancy in a difficult situation is to be glossed over as being simple and easy. Society needs to step up (I'm looking at you, pro-life conservatives) and offer the mother all the resources she needs to get through this hard time. Help her raise the child. Help her give the child to adoption. Help the mother and you help the child! But we should never equate pregnancy with punishment. The mother shouldn't look at her child and think that this is her punishment. Pro-life people should know better than to further this narrative.
  25. You keep stating this as a given conclusion. The problem is what you are saying is exactly what is in dispute. Repeating it over and over doesn't remove the dispute. Perhaps each time you repeat this as a given conclusion I will respond with my own given conclusion: It is never moral to murder an innocent child.
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