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Champatsch,
I just read the following comment on the Interpreter's website. Was the oral dialect of Joseph Smith something you and Professor Skousen took into consideration when conducting your research? If so, how did you reconcile your research with the 1600 century oral dialect that Joseph Smith would have likely used?
QuoteBrad on September 30, 2018 at 12:47 pm4 years after Joseph Smith died, this book was published:
Dictionary of Americanisms, A Glossary of Words and Phrases, Usually Regarded as Peculiar to the United States, by John Russell Bartlett, 1848
And on page iii I read this:
“On comparing these familiar words with the provincial and colloquial language of the northern counties of England, a most striking resemblance appeared, not only in the words commonly regarded as peculiar to New England, but in the dialectical pronunciation of certain words, and in the general tone and accent. In fact, it may be said, without exaggeration, that nine tenths of the colloquial peculiarities of New England are derived from Great Britain; and that they are now provincial in those parts from which the early colonists emigrated, or are to be found in the writings of well accredited authors of the period when that emigration took place.
It may be insisted, therefore, that the idiom of New England is as pure English, taken as a whole, as was spoken in England at the period when these colonies were settled.”
https://archive.org/details/dictionaryofamer00bart/page/n5
It was a known fact in the 1800s that spoken, not written, English in the Eastern states was different from the English written and spoken in Great Britain. And its form was closest to the same spoken type of English of the early 1600s when the first colonists arrived.
Skousen and Carmack have proposed that Joseph Smith could not have known the grammar of an earlier English period. However, in actuality, published writings of the 19th century show that Joseph Smith very likely would have spoken in such a way in casual conversation.
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19 hours ago, katherine the great said:
It doesn't take much to spread blue eye alleles throughout a populations. It was probably considered quite exotic and attractive in existing brown eyed populations. Since the mutation probably appeared in humans around 10,000 years ago and most of those people were highly mobile, it isn't surprising at they would be present in the middle east 6 thousand years ago. From the evidence we have, the first blue eyed people were also quite dark skinned. Lighter skin and blue eyes probably did not arise in tandem.
I found this article about how 10,000 years ago Britons had "very dark skin and very blue eyes" interesting. https://www.zmescience.com/science/cheddar-man-dna-43432/
According to the article this is what the ancestors of the British looked like 10,000 years ago.
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1 minute ago, jkwilliams said:
The second photo is of a Scientology center. Darn you, cinepro!
That makes sense. I was trying to figure out how any of those statues related to the Gospel or Church History. I couldn't for the life of me figure out any of them. Ha!
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Just now, jkwilliams said:
I'm curious: does the total number include older couple missionaries? I assume so, but I don't know.
From what I understand, the rate of missionaries going home early is much higher than it was before the age change. Does this decline represent a decline in new missionaries entering the field, an increase of missionaries going home early, or a combination of both?
I believe it includes all full time missionaries. I wonder if the young men don't feel as much pressure or feel a mission isn't as important because more women are now serving? Could the policy have hurt the number of young men willing to serve? I wish I knew why this was happening.
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1 hour ago, jkwilliams said:
According to the 2012 statistical report: 58,990.
It would be interesting to see the breakdown by gender. My guess is that most of the increase in missionaries is a result of more sisters serving. But that's just a guess.
That means that today there are only 4,607 more missionaries than there were in 2012 (63,597 - 58,990 = 4,607)? If this trend continues, there is a very good statistical chance that by the beginning of next year there will be fewer missionaries than we had in 2012. The young men need a good swift kick in the rear.
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1 hour ago, smac97 said:
I'm feeling fairly sanguine about the number of missionaries. There are a lot of factors in play, some of them are probably pretty good.
I think it is healthy for the Church to have "raised the bar," as this decreases the number of missionaries with emotional / physical / mental health / behavioral issues. Full-time missionary service is a rigorous, difficult thing.
Thanks,
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I agree that raising the bar is a good thing. I would rather see missionaries serve who are mature enough mentally and spiritually. We've seen too many missionaries in our Ward and Stake come home early the last few years and I worry about what that means for their future. Many of those missionaries who returned home early have been struggling with activity and feeling loved or welcomed.
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1 hour ago, Gray said:
Almost down to pre-surge numbers now.
Gray, do you know what the pre-surge numbers were?
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If this is true then the missionary numbers are still continuing to decline. Are these numbers accurate?
QuoteThe church has 63,597 missionaries serving in 407 missions around the globe.
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900029014/update-crashes-missionary-phone-apps-in-a-third-of-latter-day-saint-missions.html
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10 hours ago, Duncan said:
is he active in the Church?
Yes David is active in Church. As far as I know there has never been a time when he has stopped being an active member. I believe he has tried to distance himself from most of the online apologetics as he feels the polemics ultimately causes more harm than good.
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54 minutes ago, Daniel Peterson said:I can't really say with any confidence or authority, but I've heard that he's left the Church Education System (and, possibly, academia) and that he's now coordinating education programs at the Utah State Prison or some other correctional facility.
My husband and I are Facebook friends with David. David just started a new job as Managing Director of Salt Lake Community College's 10 campuses and over 60,000 students. Financially, it was a job he couldn't pass up. He's uncomfortable discussing it, but he is now one of the highest paid State employees. We couldn't be more happy for him. He has several duties now and one of the most important is that he is also the Director of Prison Education for the State of Utah.
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12 minutes ago, smac97 said:
Okay. But outside the quantum level, it is "truth."
If I have two marbles in my pocket, and I add two more marbles to that pocket, I have four marbles in that pocket. That's "truth."
What are my other examples of "truth?"
Who is the current president of the United States?
Is the shape of the earth a flattened disc, or is it spherical (an oblate spheroid, to be precise)?
Thanks,
-Smac
Some would say that Melanie Trump is the actual president 😏.
Even outside the quantum level mathematics isn’t the truth. For example what is one raindrop plus another raindrop? It’s not two raindrops, it’s one bigger raindrop. There are thousands of areas that mathematics just doesn’t cut it. It’s the best we have, but I wouldn’t say math is truth by any stretch of the imagination.
And try telling a flat earther that the earth is spherical. That’s not their truth.
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2 minutes ago, smac97 said:
Two plus two is not "my truth." It's the truth.
Donald Trump being the current POTUS is not "my truth." It's the truth.
The spherical shape of the earth is not "my truth." It's the truth.
Thanks,
-Smac
Actually “two plus two” is not truth. Mathematics doesn’t necessarily equal truth in nature and especially at the quantum level (which is the foundation of everything). At the quantum level “two plus two” atoms or any particle can equal a negative billion or zero or a trillion, etc. It all depends on the quantum state, which is largely unpredictable.
Now back to the discussion.
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Wait, what? Tacenda has been on "limited status"? I can't think of any reason why Tacenda would ever be placed on limited. Her posts are always kind and informative. This is so strange to me.
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I wish I had been cursed with Liz Taylor's rare genetic condition. Although knowing my luck I would have been cursed with rare genetic eye lash disorder like this:
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On 5/2/2018 at 7:56 AM, bluebell said:
I do think it's weird that Facebook and Snapchat aren't included on the list. Snapchat is a huge thing with the youth in our area.
I have no idea about Snapchat but I was sitting with the sister missionaries a couple of months ago during Sacrament meeting and they were both on Facebook the entire time talking to investigators and setting up appointments. I think IIRC that Facebook was one of the missionary tools the Church is encouraging and utilizing.
At least that was their story 🙂.
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Rongo,
For your grand entrance song I would think about using one of these 3 songs.
Star Wars Theme Song:
Black Eyed Peas' "Let's Get It Started In Here"
Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust"
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1 hour ago, cinepro said:
I think the strongest argument is to just say "what you don't know can't hurt you" (Mic drop).
Rongo, then pick the mic up again and say, "A Panda walks into a Chinese restaurant, orders some take-out and then shoots the waiter in the foot and leaves. The waiter looks up and says what the heck is wrong with you. And the Panda says: "I read that Pandas eat shoots and leaves." (Mic drop again)
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On 2/9/2018 at 5:15 PM, Bernard Gui said:
Sons and daughters of Lehi have to eat too. I visited Copan as a missionary in CA in 1967. Our DC3 landed in a cornfield near the ruins. No other LDS in sight. Only a few locals were there as guides, but they knew and said nothing about Mormons. I did see and photograph the "Star of David" and the "elephant" on the hieroglyphic pyramid. Incredible place. Who knows what it all means?
Was this the "Star of David" you photographed at Copan?
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Peggy Fletcher Stack reports there are currently less than 67,000 missionaries today. At last year's General Conference it was reported that there were 70,946 missionaries. I wonder if the number will drop even more before the April General Conference. https://www.sltrib.com/religion/local/2018/01/10/hundreds-of-mormon-mission-calls-go-out-but-with-a-new-look/
QuoteToday, the church has nearly 67,000 missionaries, the release said, serving in 421 missions around the globe.
What is causing the continued drop in numbers? Is this expected after the surge? What is the predicted number that this will stabilize at?
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I've struggled with the issue of polygamy my entire adult life. Prayer, fasting and much pondering have not helped me receive an answer. I've finally had to find a very big spot on my shelf to put the whole polygamy issue.
I've personally noticed that this seems to be an issue with more women than men. For many women I know it's more like dealing with being less than in worth. I've never been able to understand how a loving God could be okay with D&C 132:64 .
I hope and have faith that at some point in my life, or in the next, that polygamy will no longer be a stumbling block for me.
Some say that humor is the best medicine. I once watched a stand up comedy routine that went something like this, "It's common for men to refer to their wife as their better half. What if you're a polygamist? Here's Annie, she's my better eight?"
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Some claim homosexuality is incurable, therefore they seek to be considered a legitimate minority group protected by law. We should not be deceived by these false rationalizations.
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QuoteProfessionals do not agree on the causes of homosexual behavior. However, most professional research supports the view that homosexual behavior is learned, and is influenced by unhealthy emotional development in early childhood. This explanation is most consistent with what the Lord has revealed concerning the eternal nature of man as the offspring of divine parents. Although there are probably many factors affecting the development of homosexuality, the following elements appear quite consistently: 1. Disturbed Family Background 2. Poor Relationship with Peers 3. Unhealthy Sexual Attitudes 4. Early HomosexuaI Experience
This leaked handbook is going to get a lot of traction in the local, national and international media in the next few days.
Also, am I the only one who thought the Newsweek article was a little strange because John Dehlin stood up for the Church and all the progress they've made during the last decade? John Dehlin certainly didn't seem like an embittered and angry apostate.
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5 hours ago, churchistrue said:
Put in your n-gram here. I put in “demands of justice”. I understand there are a handful of phrases and grammar clauses that are real head scratchers, in terms of being popular in EModE and dead in Joseph’s day (especially “save it be” and “save it were”–very puzzling!). But on the flip side, you have to account for literally hundreds of phrases in the Book of Mormon that were popular in the early 1800’s that don’t seem to be used in the EModE period.
Thanks for this intersting post. I don't know if I'm using the Historical Trend Viewer correctly, but when I type in the n-gram "save it be" or "save it were" it looks like they were both frequently used in Joseph Smith's time?
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These podcasts are topnotch. I am enjoying them so much. I don't think anyone inside or outside the church is making podcasts of this quality and educational value. No offense to anyone who is a podcaster, but these are the benchmark of Mormon podcasts.
"The Parables of Jesus, With Amy-Jill Levine" was amazing https://mi.byu.edu/mip-28-levine/
If you are the type of person who only listens to a couple of podcasts a year, listen to two of Blair's podcasts.
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Blair,
Thank you so much for this podcast. I loved it.
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I know a couple of people here know my story, but I feel impressed to share it today.
I grew up in a small East Texas town on the border of Louisiana. Life was hard. It was a poor town and we were poorer still. My father left my mother when I was 7 and my brother was 5. We never saw or heard from him again. I recently found out he died in California shorly after leaving us.
After my father left, my mother struggled with alcholism and there was a short period where me and my brother were placed in a foster home until my mother completed treatment. One Saturday when I was 9 the missionaries knocked on our door. I don't remember much about what they said, but I remember being surprised my mother let them in our small apartment. Time was precious and Saturday was the only day my mother could rest and spend time with us. My mother was working two jobs and worked every single day except Saturday.
Something resonated with the missionaries and my mother. We were soon baptized and joined a small branch in our town. At the branch, my mother met and married a single Air Force officer from Utah who had recently graduated college and was stationed nearby. He was an honorable man, a great husband and provider to my mother and a great father to me and my younger brother. My mother would not have met him if it hadn't been for the missionaries. He passed away 3 years ago and my mother followed him shortly after.
Once my father's commitment to the Air Force was over, we moved to Utah. It has been my home ever since. My brother and I both graduated from college and have families. We've been able to instill in them the importance of education, family and love for the Gospel.
When I look back on my life, I am overwhelmed with a sense of gratitude and love for the Gospel. I've tried to think what my life would have been like if the missionaries never knocked on our door all those years ago. Every scenario I can think of ends with us being caught in a cycle of poverty, drugs, alchohol and broken homes. Without the Gospel we would have been trapped in that vicious cycle. I'm thankful for those two missionaries who taught my mother the Gospel and the importance of families. I'm thankful for the Gospel in leading my mother to an honorable man who was a great father.
In my life there have been times of doubt and moments when I have questions, but can't find the answers. Perhaps we are meant to struggle and I'm content knowing that these questions will probably not be solved in this life. One thing I know for certain and is the Gospel took our family out of the cycle of poverty and made us a family again.