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Peppermint Patty

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  1. 12 minutes ago, smac97 said:

    Okay.  But outside the quantum level, it is "truth."

    If I have two marbles in my pocket, and I add two more marbles to that pocket, I have four marbles in that pocket.  That's "truth."

    What are my other examples of "truth?" 

    Who is the current president of the United States?  

    Is the shape of the earth a flattened disc, or is it spherical (an oblate spheroid, to be precise)?



    Some would say that Melanie Trump is the actual president 😏.

    Even outside the quantum level mathematics isn’t the truth. For example what is one raindrop plus another raindrop? It’s not two raindrops, it’s one bigger raindrop. There are thousands of areas that mathematics just doesn’t cut it.  It’s the best we have, but I wouldn’t say math is truth by any stretch of the imagination.

    And try telling a flat earther that the earth is spherical.  That’s not their truth.

  2. 2 minutes ago, smac97 said:

    Two plus two is not "my truth."  It's the truth.

    Donald Trump being the current POTUS is not "my truth."  It's the truth.

    The spherical shape of the earth is not "my truth."  It's the truth.



    Actually “two plus two”  is not truth.  Mathematics doesn’t necessarily equal truth in nature and especially at the quantum level (which is the foundation of everything).  At the quantum level “two plus two” atoms or any particle can equal a negative billion or zero or a trillion, etc.  It all depends on the quantum state, which is largely unpredictable.

    Now back to the discussion. 

  3. Wait, what? Tacenda has been on "limited status"? I can't think of any reason why Tacenda would ever be placed on limited. Her posts are always kind and informative. This is so strange to me.

  4. On 5/2/2018 at 7:56 AM, bluebell said:

    I do think it's weird that Facebook and Snapchat aren't included on the list.  Snapchat is a huge thing with the youth in our area.

    I have no idea about Snapchat but I was sitting with the sister missionaries a couple of months ago during Sacrament meeting and they were both on Facebook the entire time talking to investigators and setting up appointments.  I think IIRC that Facebook was one of the missionary tools the Church is encouraging and utilizing.

    At least that was their story 🙂.   

  5. 1 hour ago, cinepro said:

    I think the strongest argument is to just say "what you don't know can't hurt you" (Mic drop).

    Rongo, then pick the mic up again and say, "A Panda walks into a Chinese restaurant, orders some take-out and then shoots the waiter in the foot and leaves. The waiter looks up and says what the heck is wrong with you. And the Panda says: "I read that Pandas eat shoots and leaves." (Mic drop again)

  6. On 2/9/2018 at 5:15 PM, Bernard Gui said:

    Sons and daughters of Lehi have to eat too. I visited Copan as a missionary in CA in 1967. Our DC3 landed in a cornfield near the ruins. No other LDS in sight. Only a few locals were there as guides, but they knew and said nothing about Mormons. I did see and photograph the "Star of David" and the "elephant" on the hieroglyphic pyramid. Incredible place. Who knows what it all means?

    Was this the "Star of David" you photographed at Copan?


  7. Peggy Fletcher Stack reports there are currently less than 67,000 missionaries today. At last year's General Conference it was reported that there were 70,946 missionaries. I wonder if the number will drop even more before the April General Conference.  https://www.sltrib.com/religion/local/2018/01/10/hundreds-of-mormon-mission-calls-go-out-but-with-a-new-look/


    Today, the church has nearly 67,000 missionaries, the release said, serving in 421 missions around the globe.


    What is causing the continued drop in numbers? Is this expected after the surge? What is the predicted number that this will stabilize at? 

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    Some claim homosexuality is incurable, therefore they seek to be considered a legitimate minority group protected by law. We should not be deceived by these false rationalizations. 



    Professionals do not agree on the causes of homosexual behavior. However, most professional research supports the view that homosexual behavior is learned, and is influenced by unhealthy emotional development in early childhood. This explanation is most consistent with what the Lord has revealed concerning the eternal nature of man as the offspring of divine parents. Although there are probably many factors affecting the development of homosexuality, the following elements appear quite consistently:   1. Disturbed Family Background   2. Poor Relationship with Peers   3. Unhealthy Sexual Attitudes  4. Early HomosexuaI Experience

    This leaked handbook is going to get a lot of traction in the local, national and international media in the next few days. 

    Also, am I the only one who thought the Newsweek article was a little strange because John Dehlin stood up for the Church and all the progress they've made during the last decade? John Dehlin certainly didn't seem like an embittered and angry apostate.

  9. 5 hours ago, churchistrue said:

    Put in your n-gram here.  I put in “demands of justice”.   I understand there are a handful of phrases and grammar clauses that are real head scratchers, in terms of being popular in EModE and dead in Joseph’s day (especially “save it be” and “save it were”–very puzzling!).  But on the flip side, you have to account for literally hundreds of phrases in the Book of Mormon that were popular in the early 1800’s that don’t seem to be used in the EModE period.

    Thanks for this intersting post. I don't know if I'm using the Historical Trend Viewer correctly, but when I type in the n-gram "save it be" or "save it were" it looks like they were both frequently used in Joseph Smith's time?



    These podcasts are topnotch. I am enjoying them so much. I don't think anyone inside or outside the church is making podcasts of this quality and educational value. No offense to anyone who is a podcaster, but these are the benchmark of Mormon podcasts.

    "The Parables of Jesus, With Amy-Jill Levine" was amazing  https://mi.byu.edu/mip-28-levine/

    If you are the type of person who only listens to a couple of podcasts a year, listen to two of Blair's podcasts.


    6 hours ago, rongo said:


    What others among the "several that you could list" can you list, Patty? :) 


    Here are a few more. 


    -Fawn Brodie discussed, and was one of the first to address the many different accounts of  the First Vision.

    Over sixty years later the Church acknowledged and published an essay on this very subject: https://www.lds.org/topics/first-vision-accounts?lang=eng&old=true


    -Fawn Brodie discussed the Book of Abraham and discussed how Joseph did not correctly translate.

    Over sixty years later the Church changed the heading from "A translation from some Egyptian Papyri that came into the hands of Joseph Smith.." to "An inspired translation of the writings of Abraham." And, the Church has now acknowledged the same and published an essay on this very subject:  https://www.lds.org/topics/translation-and-historicity-of-the-book-of-abraham?lang=eng&old=true


    -Fawn Brodie was one of the first to discuss the numerous wives of Joseph Smith and the sexual aspect of many of these relationships.

    Over sixty years later the Church acknowledged Joseph Smith had as many as 40 wives, one as young as 14, and and published an essay on this very subject: https://www.lds.org/topics/plural-marriage-in-kirtland-and-nauvoo?lang=eng&old=true 


  12. 35 minutes ago, cinepro said:

    I'm just eyeballing it, but what's interesting is that if you continue the graph from the growth rate in the 1990s, before the dip in 2001, it looks like it would grow to around 75,000.






    This is an interesting graph. If I'm reading it right, it looks like we might have had a couple of thousand more missionaries than now if we would've left things the way they were and didn't lower the ages.

    Also, I've heard although I don't know how to verify that the majority of the increase in numbers is from Sister Missionaries.  I would love to see if anyone has the information about how many Sisters are currently serving.

    I've certainly seen a cultural shift in the last few years about encouraging Sisters to serve. My daughter is getting that "encouragement" right now. When I was growing up, nobody once asked me if I was ever going to serve a mission. It's completely different now with our young women.


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