Peppermint Patty

So yeah... I see the point of 'easy reading' ones, but they shouldn't be replacing the archaic speech ones, imho.

Agreed. My point was that there should be an alternative for the millions of people who cannot comprehend the BOM as currently written.

You want to dumb down the standards of the Church. Sorry, I'm not with you in that. And it's completely false your claim that millions can't understand it. It doesn't take very long to learn that thee and thou means "you". Heaven forbid you ever have to go on a mission.

Please don't put words in my mouth. You know very well that I didn't say anything about dumbing down the standards of the Church. As far as you not understanding why someone wouldn't be able to understand the BOM as written, I would suggest studying a little more about some of the more significant/serious learning disabilities that many people suffer from.

Approximately 15% of the U.S. population suffers from some form of dyslexia. If you do the math, that is around 45 million people in the U.S. alone suffer from dyslexia. Dyslexia is only one of many, many more significant and serious learning disabilities people have which would preclude them from comprehending the BOM as written.

Only good can come from making the BOM more accessible to millions and millions of people. Again, just my 2 cents.

I don't understand the "need" of some people to debase and de-reverence scripture....

If you're not mentally competent enough to understand a language that is more traditional and reverenced, then maybe you have some maturity to develop?

I don't think it's an issue of whether someone is "mature" enough to understand language that is more "traditional" or "reverenced". There are millions of people out there with serious and significant learning disabilities and/or other issues that prohibit them from fully comprehending the BOM as it is written today.

Nothing wrong with making the BOM more accessible. I think the Savior would as many people to be able to read the BOM as possible. Just my 2 cents.

My two last movies were the Glee movie and the Justin Bieber movie. Please, someone remove my eyeballs. The things we do for our young daughters.

I had a missionary come into the church bookstore where I worked who stated the Matthews book pretty much saved him from giving up on his mission due to his reading disability. After having read it he found it much easier to teach from the BoM and even memorize the scriptures.

That is why I would like an official version of much simpler but still adult language for those in his situation as well as English second language individuals who are not yet fluent enough to get the KJV sufficiently to be inspired by it.

Excellent. I'm for anything that would allow greater access to the BOM.

calmoriah and ERayR,

I'm probably not the person would you want to talk to when it comes to what type of insurance coverage farmers typically carry. If I had to guess, the typical farmer might have insurance coverage for acts of vandalism and/or arson. Maybe the crop circle damage would be covered under that?

Again, I am only guessing, but I would imagine that farmers in England also carry some type of insurance? Maybe?

This is way out of my area of expertise. Sorry I couldn't be more help. For what it's worth, I enjoyed the movie Signs.

Gentlemen,

This is why I don't have a facebook account. Also, due to the fact that I tried and was unable to set one up. It's confusing.

A mime is a terrible thing to waste.

My father used to say, "mime is money".

Silvermoon,

Just a guess, but from your avatar is it safe to assume that you graduated from BYU?

That doesnt make any sense at all. Why would a farmer destroy his livlyhood? Destroy the very thing that pays the mortgage and feeds the family? I don't think so.

Two words. Insurance claim.

I'm sure that no non-LDS archaeologist claims that the BoM is based on historical Nephites/Lamanites, and I'm sure that they don't think there is overwhelming evidence that the BoM is historical, but I don't believe it's accurate to say that all non-LDS archaeologists would claim there is no evidence (your "any evidence") for it.

Michael,

Good to see you. I'm not sure if you are aware but the D-News has removed almost all of the comments from your articles in the archive. It's too bad, I thought your articles were a breath of fresh air and most of the comments to them were pretty thought provoking and compelling. Nice to see you here.

Wow. I never knew I was in a cult until now. I'm glad I was finally able to realize this (dripping with sarcasm).

Wow. When it comes to the RLDS, I can definitely say I don't have a testimony of the history of the church.

Yes, when it comes to the RLDS, I can definitely say I don't support the prophet.

http://en.fairmormon...assacre/Summary

It's been awhile since I read the Turley book(or rather the parts of their book I could handle) so i am unclear on the details of what triggered the fear and anger present in the community. If you want the best and most accurate examination into the motivations of the murderers you should read that book. I am afraid my memory is quite porous and overly flexible these days so I can't remember which claims of atrocities were actually present in the community at that time and which were retroactively imposed upon them to explain or justify their actions.

The ensign had a good summary article when the book was published, if you can't find that on your own, let me know and after I've digested my food, I'll find it for you.

Thank you very much, Sister.

http://www.encyclope...spx?entryID=129

Let me know if you need more.

If you have more sources I would greatly appreciate it. Your cited source only talks about some possible hostility the Saints may have had towards Arkansas, because of PPP' murder, not that there were any of PPP's murderes in the wagon train.

From your CFR:

Another reason the Mormons may have resented the Fancher party was that it had its roots in Arkansas. Shortly after the wagon train left Beller’s Stand, Parley P. Pratt, a beloved Mormon leader and one of their twelve apostles, was murdered in another part of the state. Several years before, Pratt had converted a woman named Eleanor McLean to the Church. When she left her husband to join the Mormons in Utah, her husband, Hector McLean, began to harass Pratt as he went about his missionary work. Pratt was in New York preaching and Eleanor in New Orleans visiting family. The two decided to meet in May at Fort Smith (Sebastian County) and travel back to Utah together. Hector McLean heard of their intended rendezvous and beat them to Arkansas, where he filed charges against them and got warrants for their arrests. When Pratt and Eleanor McLean arrived, they were arrested and put on trial, but on May 13, 1857, the judge quickly dismissed the cases. Realizing that Hector McLean had stirred up a large crowd against the couple, the judge allowed Pratt to escape out the back door of the courthouse. The mob chased Pratt, and when McLean caught him, he stabbed Pratt twice and shot him in the heart. News of the slaying was filtering into Utah as the wagon train from Arkansas arrived.

Anything else that you are willing to share, would be much appreciated.

For PPP?

This is significantly different from the claim of vengeance against the members of the wagon train where it was said that among them were the murderers of Parley P Pratt. The murderers themselves had been victims of persecution' date=' etc.[/quote']

calmoriah,

Yes. I was asking if by chance you could provide a CFR for your above statement. Any help would be appreciated.

This is significantly different from the claim of vengeance against the members of the wagon train where it was said that among them were the murderers of Parley P Pratt. The murderers themselves had been victims of persecution, etc.

Very interesting. Could you perhaps provide a CFR, please?

Mike,

This sounds very interesting. I really look forward to reading more.

P.S. I think you did a great job at the Symposium this year.