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  1. I'm very confused by MS. I know of one very prominent (ex BYU and NFL football player) that has been donating for the last few years. This person and his family are very active in the Church.


    I've always though MS was very critical to our faith, but it seems like some members have the impression that it's worthy of donated to. 

  2. 1 hour ago, mfbukowski said:

    Seriously is this a "thing" in Utah?

    It seems there are several responses perhaps implying this is a common practice among JW's?

    We are on their hit list for bible discussions (yes, I have not alienated them yet- reMARKable, huh!!  😇) but haven't gotten a single zucchini!

    They OWE me bigtime! ;)


    I don't think you will find a single person who lives in Utah that hasn't had zucchini or other vegetables left on their porch. I think it's great. 

  3. 8 hours ago, Teancum said:

    Lecture Five teaches the father is a personage of spirit, the son of tabernacle and the HG the mind of God.

    I was unaware of this. So several years earlier during the First Vision, Joseph recounts that he saw "two glorious personages who exactly resembled each other in features and likeness" but then several years later it was being taught that the Father is a actually a personage of spirit? What happened during those years from the First Vision to Lecture 5 that changed the Father from being a personage to a spirit?

  4. 30 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

    I looked for a date on the article in the link but didn’t see one, which makes me wonder how new it is. The phenomenon it discusses is not; the Witnesses and the Adventists have been out-drawing the Latter-day Saints for quite a while now. 

    It looks like the article came out last week on November 28, 2022.

  5. David G. Stewart, Jr., of UNLV who operates the cumorah website published an article last week showing the Jehovah Witnesses and Adventist missionary programs are having more success in finding converts than the LDS. He gives some reasons and possible solutions. Has anyone read this article? Thoughts?

    “Trends point to continued underperformance of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints compared to its competitors. While a range of possibilities exist, the default path is for further decline of growth rates. The LDS Church is unlikely to regain its former growth trajectory. Prospects of becoming a major world faith have faded and are likely beyond reach.”


  6. Craig, that’s a very inspiring story. I agree with Calm and hope you will seriously consider sharing this to a wider audience.

    I know a couple of missionaries that didn’t see a lot of success in the mission field even though they were great missionaries. I think your story can serve as a reminder and encouragement to many LDS and returned missionaries that you never know what fruit your efforts might bear, even 50 years later.



  7. 1 hour ago, Nevo said:

    Plagiarism unfortunately isn't practiced only by the young and inexperienced.

    Some excellent scholars have been guilty of plagiarism. The most tragic case I can think of in recent years is that of biblical scholar Peter T. O'Brien, who wrote five acclaimed NT commentaries and had all of them—his entire life's work—taken out of print and pulped because he failed to attribute sources correctly. He's 86 now. He will never come back from this.

    In a better world, Elder Bednar would acknowledge his error and apologize, but that isn't the Church's way. So, we get the usual deflections and excuses, and the messenger is duly shot.

    Maybe this time will be different. Elder Bednar could just offer a quick apology for any oversight and pledge to do better. I hope there are no further deflections, excuses or shooting the messenger. I guess we will soon see.

  8. I think more people are leaving now than in the past, just based on personal experience. My best friend of 23 years and her husband just left the church. Our children grew up together. I don’t know how to approach her about so right now we just pretend like nothing happened. 😓

  9. 19 hours ago, Fether said:

    Here is what the REAL issue is…

    It isn’t lore  friendly.

    Toy story 1 takes place in 1995. Buzz light year was supposed to be a starwars equivalent for the toy story universe. 

    There is NO way a movie released in 1995 would have been as widely accepted as StarWars if it had a gay kiss

    I don't know. When Star Wars first came out, there was an incestuous kiss between Princess Leia and Luke Skywalker. The Star War's trilogy did pretty well at the box office.



  10. On 6/6/2021 at 7:42 AM, Robert F. Smith said:

    I saw the film yesterday at a big screen Cinemark theater.  Lots of people there.

    The director was Mark Goodman, writer Mitch Davis, and it is rated PG.

    There was a lot of beautiful location filming, and valuable use of historical sites.  The actor playing Joseph Smith looked very much like photos and paintings we have seen, but perhaps not so imposing and physically as powerful as Joseph actually was.

    Writer Mitch Davis, who did an excellent job on "The Other Side of Heaven" I & II, and who is an experienced writer-director, dropped the ball on this one.

    Davis should have worked with a serious historian in order to come up with a better, more accurate script.

    For example, in the scene in which Joseph returns to the forest to retrieve the plates from a hollow log, he should have wrapped them in a farmer's smock -- which would have been substantial -- rather than the light-weight shirt he appeared to use.  In another scene (below), Joseph and Martin are depicted with cloth divider between them.  The best information we have is that there was no such divider, and no reason for one.


    In this same photo (in the monitor on the right) one can see Joseph holding a black hat.  Witnesses consistently describe the hat as white, and that Joseph placed his face into the hat in order to block out the light.  In this film, Joseph never puts his face in the hat, but dictates with his face, as shown here.

    Joseph was primarily successful because he surrounded himself with men of strength and character.  In writing his pious script, Davis seemed to miss that aspect in each case:  Martin Harris was a substantial, successful farmer.  He did not get that way by being a bumbling fool and henpecked husband.  A scene with him on the road, consulting with experts in New York City and en route might have been helpful.  Oliver could have been depicted as he actually was, a very smart young man, who rightly thought of himself as far more sophisticated than Joseph.  David Whitmer was a powerful and opinionated character who thought that anything Joseph did after producing the Book of Mormon was heresy.  He was a distinctive influence on Restorationists through the time of his death and beyond.  All three witnesses were very independent minded, which makes their story all the more potentially interesting.

    Robert, I just saw the movie and your criticism's are valid. I wanted to see more character development for the 3 witnesses. Their characters were undeveloped and shallow. In real life the witnesses were very complex and interesting individuals. I wanted to see real characters and not just shallow cardboard cutouts.

  11. 12 minutes ago, SteveO said:

    That assumes missionary work begins and ends with full time missionaries.  It does not.  My point still stands that at no prior time did life shut down so completely and abruptly and widespread as it did in 2020.  Not even during WWII.

    Steve, you should read the article I posted in my comment above. Missionary work was shut down from 1939 until 1945 during WWII. At least in 2020 there were tens of thousands of missionaries still converting people through online means. The internet and social media were obviously not available during 1939-1945.

  12. 18 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

    I don’t have any information at the ready on that. 

    But I did find this regarding the Church during the 1918 flu epidemic. It says meetings were canceled in October through December. No information about missionary work, but I’m guessing if meetings were only canceled for three months, that missionary work curtailment wasn’t as extensive then as it was this past year. 


    Scott, I was able to find this article about missionary work in WWII. It looks like LDS missionaries were evacuated starting in 1939 from all foreign countries until the end of WWII in 1945:




  13. 15 minutes ago, SteveO said:

    It was probably as robust as the industrial sector and general economies in each respective year...

    Steve, I could be mistaken but I was under the impression all missionary age men would have been subject to the mandatory military draft during the years of WWII? And, I don’t think many countries would have accepted our missionaries had that not been the case? Large parts of the world were at war with each other.

  14. 8 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

    I’m old enough to remember the Vietnam War. I recall some years in the. ‘60s when quotas were imposed upon wards limiting the number of missionaries that could be called, but I don’t remember missionary work being curtailed on anywhere near the scale we’ve seen this past year. 

    Scott, during WWII what was our missionary program like compared to 2020?

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