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  1. 8 hours ago, longview said:
    11 hours ago, The Nehor said:

    With the hordes of Antifa assassins circling like predators who can blame you?

    I wish someone would define “woke” and “wokist”. It is another meaningless term that is meant to just let the listener fill it in with anything they personally dislike. I consider it a marginally more troubling development than those heretics who leave out Oxford commas.

    It throws you into a tizzy when the narrative does NOT go your way.

    7 hours ago, The Nehor said:

    What narrative? What are you talking about? You think Christian Nationalism is winning? Because that would be not going my way.

    Because you are in DEEP denial about the derangement of "woke" philosophies?  Or maybe you are embarrassed with the antics of antifas which you have repeatedly expressed admiration for?  Possibly your lack of "enthusiasm" for free enterprise?

    "Christian Nationalism" is a meaningless term for me.  I subscribe to Elder Oaks masterful praise of Constitutionalism and the blessings that flowed from it to the whole world.  Which you tried to fight back against by calling it idolatry.


  2. 2 hours ago, The Nehor said:

    With the hordes of Antifa assassins circling like predators who can blame you?

    I wish someone would define “woke” and “wokist”. It is another meaningless term that is meant to just let the listener fill it in with anything they personally dislike. I consider it a marginally more troubling development than those heretics who leave out Oxford commas.

    It throws you into a tizzy when the narrative does NOT go your way.

  3. 5 hours ago, The Nehor said:

    He wasn’t a citizen militia. He was a competent guy who took action an prevented further deaths.

    "We The People" that honor and uphold the Constitution are citizen militia.  We have millions of gun owners that are law-abiding, know and practice gun safety (unlike Alec Baldwin), understand the need for a moral people to obtain more fully the blessings of Constitutional governance.

    5 hours ago, The Nehor said:

    Three people are still dead. I wouldn’t count this as a victory for the value of the Second Amendment that occasionally we can hope for a competent person with a firearm to be in the vicinity that can potentially lessen the number of deaths. If it wasn’t so easy to get a gun though the whole thing could potentially have been avoided.

    Eli responded immediately.  It only took the perp a few seconds to kill the three but Eli was able to stop him plenty fast.  What do you expect?  For Eli to be a mind-reader?  You are way overboard ridiculous.  Better this than a 5 minute wait (at best) for police response.  At Uvalde the police stood in the lobby for over an hour while the killer was allowed to keep shooting the little innocents (thank the Lord the off-duty Border Patrol agent independently charged in to put a stop to it).  Gun free zones DON'T work!  It only incentivizes depraved killers.

  4. 21 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

    I feel no SHAME!

    Eli D#cken* was heroic and a very excellent example of the citizen militia.  He lives in a farming community.  Thankfully he was concealed carry and saved many many lives in the Greenwood Park Mall.

    *Reason for pound sign:  the censoring software does not like the letter "i" in the surname.

  5. 11 hours ago, The Nehor said:
    15 hours ago, longview said:

    Is it your understanding that British home owners are required by law to meekly submit to home invaders as they are being robbed and even violated?  Why would the people put up with that?

    Only Americans imagine they are defenseless without a firearm. We are a cowardly people.

    Only stupid people would claim that there are no other options for self-defense.  Not fighting with fists.  Not using a knife.  Not banging the perp on the noggin with a frying pan.   But firearms are a God-send for women that are half the size of brutes intent on rape, pillage or depravity.  The GREAT equalizer.

    It is a SHAME that you so persistently denigrate the decent and law-abiding citizens of this Constitutional Republic.  The Second Amendment is CRUCIAL for assuring and defending the First Amendment.  There have been TOO MANY incidents of government (any level) going rogue.

  6. 9 hours ago, Stargazer said:

    As an American living in the UK, I find the British abhorrence of guns somewhat baffling. My wife (a Brit) has cautioned me not to tell people that I own nine firearms (safety stored in the US) because it might offend them.

    Is it your understanding that British home owners are required by law to meekly submit to home invaders as they are being robbed and even violated?  Why would the people put up with that?

  7. 19 minutes ago, bluebell said:

    Has anyone watched The Orville?  It looks just like star trek so I'm trying to figure out what it's catch is.

    I have.  It is a campy ridiculous version of Star Trek (along the lines of The Next Generation).

    ETA:  Nehor would call it ABSURD.

  8. 6 hours ago, pogi said:

    It sounds like it started in a utility room on the 3rd floor.  That makes it sound less suspect to me.  The third floor is a strange place for an arson to start a fire.  If I was an arson, I'd want to start the fire on the ground floor to cause the most damage. 

    I wonder if a teenager was looking around the place.  Most likely there was a security guard (nightwatch).  The teenager could easily ascertain where the guard is and stealthily have a run of the place while keeping out of sight.

    6 hours ago, pogi said:

    A utility room is probably the most likely place for a fire to start by accident.   

    The nightwatch is more likely to notice problems on the first floor so the intruder probably wanted to start a fire in a more remote area (upper level and closed off utility room).  Let the fire simmer long enough to spread into the attic where it can burn out of control.

    6 hours ago, pogi said:

    There was also only "minimal fire activity" reported, which also makes it sound more like an accident. 

    Fortunately the smoke was seeping out the building so numerous people could see and calls quickly made to 911.

  9. 3 hours ago, Tacenda said:

    LDS all my life, but not once did I hear a lesson about the 144,000. Was I a poor listener, or was this well known to most LDS out there?

    If you had been a lover of reading and perusing the scriptures (daily personal study), you would already been familiar with the 144K way back when you were still wet behind the ears.

  10. Was Zerubbabel kingly/political?  Were Ezra and Nehemiah priestly?  Is that the kind of distinction you are trying to make?

    Endtime Servant is not really a familiar term to me.  It would be helpful if you would have started this thread with at least ONE reference for the rest of us to begin our search. 

  11. 9 hours ago, Calm said:

    But you are describing the person in the photo with a lot of personality that just happens to parallel your opinion of Joseph’s character, correct?

    There are so many ways of making assessments.  Women's intuition, what does it tell you.  Understanding of history in various time periods.  How they differ from our time.  We can tell a great deal from seeing the countenance of every person.  The scriptures has many references to countenance.  There is an extensive spectrum of observations we can make.  I stand by my statements, personal knowledge, life experience, etc.  Sometimes just plumb personal opinion.

  12. 3 hours ago, Calm said:

    Are you sure you aren’t reading what you know and feel about Joseph into the face though?

    I am not a 100 percenter on the photo.  Give the scholars and historians and whoever time to continue the assessment and review.  Just like President Hinckley was content to allow more experts to investigate the provenance of Mark Hoffman's dubious works.  As it was, the investors put more pressure on Hoffman than did the scholars.  I do like the photo though.

  13. 14 minutes ago, Teancum said:

    Being a good wrestler makes someone special? 

    His whole life was AWESOME from beginning to end.  He died sealing his testimony of Christ's Restored Church.  In between he went through so many incredible challenges.  If he was a fraud, he would have quit long before April 6, 1830.

    14 minutes ago, Teancum said:

    And that are the wonders?

    He survived an attempted poisoning that dislocated his jaw.  Which he reset on his own.  Thousands of experiences just incredible.

    14 minutes ago, Teancum said:

    The pic really looks like some worn out 19th century person. 

    Exactly my thoughts.  A couple of people on this thread expressed their opinion that the picture was too old for a 38 year old guy.  All that does is point to the ruggedness and the heavy rigor of his life.  His dedication and his steadfastness and his faithfulness!  A true soldier and prophet.  Like Elijah.

    14 minutes ago, Teancum said:

    Nothing special.  And the person in the pic look much older than 38.

    Your'e just being a sourpuss.  I am very grateful for JS' life and mission.  And very privileged to be part of the Restored Church!

  14. I read his article.  Gordon Monson gives a shallow passing reference to the awesome power of the Atonement of Christ.  He is oblivious to the mercy, grace, overwhelming love, steadfastness, zealous faithfulness of EVERY member of the Godhead.  ALL things are possible with God who is almighty in EVERY aspect of His Work.

  15. 35 minutes ago, Ragerunner said:

    Honest question: When was the last time the Catholic Church or other religious churches made a full court political press for Universal Healthcare in the US to help pay for these services?

    Honest interpretation: When was the last time the Catholic Church or other religious churches made a full court political press for Full-Blown Socialistic Massive Government in the US to help pay for these services?  With its death panels, one-size-fits-all solutions, eliminating personal care-giving by actual charitable organizations and replacing that with a faceless bureaucracy with its binding regulations, etc?  With one it is personal accountability and wise couseling.  The other it is heedless hedonism and anything goes lifestyle.

  16. 11 hours ago, Rain said:

    With 16 and 24 the big difference to me is actually who read the book.  In the Kings, Josiah reads the book.  In Chronicles, one of his men read the book to him.  It would be interesting to know for sure which happened.  One of the study bibles, I don't remember which noted that it being read to him was more likely even though he was probably educated well enough to do it on his own.

    I would say it is very plausible that it was BOTH.  I think it very likely that those who found the lost scripture did a careful reading and made comparisons with what they already had on hand.  They may have determined what was on hand were corrupted by paganism of previous generations.  Then they approached Josiah about the lost scripture.  Which led to intensive months long seminars.  Then Josiah with his court began implementing massive reforms of religious institutions.

  17. On 7/15/2022 at 7:27 PM, JLHPROF said:

    However why that's happening and what that means for the Church is up for debate.  But I think our 19th century members would find today's Church more like the protestant sects than themselves.

    How do you account for this prophecy?


    Daniel 2:45. Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

    D&C 65:
    Revelation on prayer given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Hiram, Ohio, October 30, 1831. 1–2, The keys of the kingdom of God are committed to man on earth, and the gospel cause will triumph; 3–6, The millennial kingdom of heaven will come and join the kingdom of God on earth.
    1. Hearken, and lo, a voice as of one sent down from on high, who is mighty and powerful, whose going forth is unto the ends of the earth, yea, whose voice is unto men—Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
    2. The keys of the kingdom of God are committed unto man on the earth, and from thence shall the gospel roll forth unto the ends of the earth, as the stone which is cut out of the mountain without hands shall roll forth, until it has filled the whole earth.
    3. Yea, a voice crying—Prepare ye the way of the Lord, prepare ye the supper of the Lamb, make ready for the Bridegroom.
    4. Pray unto the Lord, call upon his holy name, make known his wonderful works among the people.
    5. Call upon the Lord, that his kingdom may go forth upon the earth, that the inhabitants thereof may receive it, and be prepared for the days to come, in the which the Son of Man shall come down in heaven, clothed in the brightness of his glory, to meet the kingdom of God which is set up on the earth.
    6. Wherefore, may the kingdom of God go forth, that the kingdom of heaven may come, that thou, O God, mayest be glorified in heaven so on earth, that thine enemies may be subdued; for thine is the honor, power and glory, forever and ever. Amen.

    The church IS the Kingdom of God on earth.  It shall roll forth and eventually fill the whole earth.  It is so peculiar that 80% of my children are NOT active in it.  I am praying that someday they will come back into the fold.

    50 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:
    9 hours ago, Avatar4321 said:

    I disagree. All I’m hearing in conference and talks outside is how we are a peculiar people. They are reemphasizing it

    While simultaneously removing all peculiarities. 

    I think you know better than to say the absolute "removing all peculiarities".  Apostle Paul had this to say:


    Romans 1:16. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    The church is reaching out to ALL people.  That includes showing kindness to ALL people while still standing firm for the standards of the Gospel.

  18. 2 hours ago, Calm said:

    So you are just saying murder is justified sometimes?

    If the church issues guidelines for exceptions allowing for abortions in the case of the mother's precarious condition, then the choice must be made for the mother.  However I question how can an abortion be done?  By dismemberment?  By poisoning the unborn in the womb?  In my opinion, I think a C-section is the simplest and most expeditious procedure for ending the mother's pregnancy.  At the same time, the child can be retrieved and nurtured with the best medical care.  I have read cases of the baby as small as the palm of the hand live to become vibrant and viable.  It is VERY rare for a mother to require emergency termination of her pregnancy.  You cannot trust the propaganda from the abortionist lobby.

  19. 54 minutes ago, ttribe said:

    Then you need to stop saying that "all abortion is murder" and that "all life should be cherished" as justification for your argument, because you clearly don't actually believe that.

    You have injected an unnecessary absolute.  I did not rule out abortion for mothers in danger.  It remains my perspective that the most ideal situation is for couples (heterosexual) to honor the sanctity of the marriage covenant and follow God's will in bearing and caring for children.

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