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  1. 1 hour ago, clarkgoble said:

    As I said I completely disagree with that point of view of Marks. So my own view, at least epistemologically, is likely closer to your own. I just was pointing out where you were getting him wrong. I disagree with the kind of pragmatism Mark espouses precisely on the religious issue. I think what matters are the facts as we verify them. 

    I've never heard this. I confess I'm skeptical. I think there may be something to a mnemonic theory, but I've never seen one fleshed out in a persuasive fashion.

    I posted the two documents from Shield here on this forum somewhere last week.  I think in this thread or the other Abraham thread.

  2. On 9/17/2018 at 8:25 AM, Robert Rosskopf said:

     It is hard to imagine the Great Lakes as being the narrow neck of land that leads to the land northward.    

    They are working on it.  Perhap abit of artistic license on re-drawing the maps will help.

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  3. On 5/30/2018 at 1:22 PM, oklds said:

    I'm not even sure this is a real thing, but if someone has heard of it, would you be so good as to explain it to me, please?

    Thanks very much,


    Bottom line == some individuals feel that Book of Mormon geography is a doctrinal issue (14th Article of  Faith), and if you do not believe that the Hill Cumorah referenced in the BOM is in NY, you are on the road to apostasy.


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  4. 3 hours ago, Duncan said:

    My parents got a new Bishop this past year, not to be judgy but he isn't the most mature person around , anyways there was no tithing settlement. I was talking to my folks yestarday and they said there was no mention or anything of it. My Mom asked one of the Bishopric and he said that they should get on that but then never did. I was thinking what would be the implications of not having it for whatever reason?

    Are you staying up at night?  

    Anyway tithing worthiness is a measure used to make financial and organizational decisions about the local units --e.g  low tithing worthiness, -- smaller budget;  combine wards,  etc

  5. 2 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

    Yes as I have said, the boa should be regarded as a painting or work if art.

    Tvedtnes proposed that the Book of the Dead was a mnemonic device == each symbol representing  a phrase or paragraph, a map of the entire text which could be repeated from memory.   These symbols were then used to create an independent text -- this Book of the Dead.  Over the centuries the actual purpose was lost until it came into the hands of the prophet. 

    Anyway, Tvedtnes  then attempted to use the  GAEL to reproduce that background text of the BOA, and appeared to have been successful.

    The waking dream now made sense and the paradox was resolved.

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  6. 21 hours ago, edgoble123 said:

    I have kind of wrapped up my research on the Book of Abraham, and I think I have kind of summarized my work in this following statement.

    This summarizes all of my work, and this is the key of why there is a paradox.  Because the Symbols in Joseph Smith's materials don't match the content, because the symbols themselves are not information containers in the first place.  The fundamental linkage principle between symbol and content is still ancient but different.


    The Fundamental Principles of Joseph Smith's Egyptian
    I feel that I am wrapping up my research on this subject, and I wish to leave my blog and paper up for future researchers to profit by, should they choose to take it seriously.  And I want to document a few things as I come to a close in this research, so this will serve as sort of a summary of the most important points.

    The fundamental principles of Joseph Smith's Egyptian are these:

    One tiny question -->>  how does the EAG fit into this?  Clearly someone thought that the symbols contained some meaning  that related to the BOA.

  7. 3 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

    This is paraconsistent logic and that was a revelation

    look it up no time to talk

    Since you asked, the dream was a monk drawing/painting an illuminati on a manuscript.  I had the understanding that was the key to the translation.

    I happened to call Tvedtnes at BYU and he immediately understood the meaning of the dream, based on his own research......... and the rest is history.

    I then came up with the paradox to explain the translation, that if someone can resolve the paradox, they will hold the key to the translation process.  And the EAG is that key.  It is enormously ironic that Vogel had stumbled over this.  But was unable to understand what he had found and only supposed he had discredited JS, rather than confirming the process of translation.

    But everyone went gaga over the missing scroll theory including Tvedtnes.  I made the prediction that my findings would remain buried until the missing scroll theory collapsed.  Again, Vogel is involved it its demise.

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  8. 6 hours ago, mikwut said:

    I'm anything but a Wittgenstein expert......God may have told you the BoA is true. I couldn't ever know for sure. But it is problematic in the ordinary way we understand things and language

    Many years ago I had been asking about the BOA.  As I related else, one night I had a dream giving me a clear indication on the key  on how it would be translated.   took that as an answer to  my efforts -- not a yes or no, but something like "You will find this is  the key, so go figure it out."

    It is a beetle, but not a beetle. 
    It is the BOA, but NOT the BOA, so figure it out.

  9. 23 hours ago, Dan Vogel said:

    In my video #7, I examine all seven sources Muhlestein uses to establish his long-scroll theory. They all fail. 

    I predicted this failure decades ago.  I have pointed out there is another theory which has been  universally ignored until the scholars are forced to look elsewhere with the final failure of the missing papyrus theory. 

    Methinks that day is near at hand.

    The answer lies in the solution of the paradox:

    1. The Book of the Dead is the Book of Abraham.
    2. The Book of the Dead is NOT the Book  of Abraham.

    Anyway, back under my rock to be ignored.

  10. On 12/28/2018 at 6:56 PM, Dan Vogel said:

    It happened right after Murphy published his DNA essay. It might be found out there in cyber space somewhere. It's just an example of an ad hoc hypothesis; there are many. They all attempt to escape troubling evidence and preserve the central thesis. They are signs that a theory is in decline.

    Scientists are known to suggest ad hoc theories to explain certain anomalies and issues e.g. evolution.  So it is your position that the theory is on the decline, or is it simply serving as a temporary  "place holder" until a better documented explanation can be found.

    Methinks your stubbornly held  bias is clouding your judgement.  No pretense of objectivity is evident here but it is understandable based on your world view.

  11. 7 hours ago, Rajah Manchou said:

    Also need to acknowledge that a 9000 year old man in Washington State carries the oldest form of haplogroup X2a found in the Americas. So the oldest X2a was in America 6K years before the Jaredites...on the ice bridge side of the continent.

    Please correlate this 9ka timeline with the Adamic timeline.  The default for this forum is that Adam was the first human  so your argument is based on an unresolved  chronology issue within  the context of this forum.

    OR we can completely ignore Adam  and the scriptures in our discussions -- so no Jaredites, no Nephites, etc  and no need for a discussion since they did not exist.

    As I have pointed out elsewhere, you can't have it both ways by using chronology as an argument.

  12. 45 minutes ago, hope_for_things said:

    And lastly, I think everyone should be able to attend a temple sealing event, members and non-members alike.  This would be a huge win for the church and for families, and I continue to think it would also lead to new converts.  Win/win/win all around. 

    Yep,  same sex marriages would be a big hit. We know we are winning when the Utah LightHouse Ministry  is having a "going out of business" sale.

  13. 8 hours ago, sunstoned said:

    You are correct.  He said it was a translation.  He was clear on this.  It obviously wasn't.  Not even close. Those are the facts.  

    Cough... your personal  interpretation of the limited facts available to us. I understand the difference between fact and opinion/conclusion.

    The catalyst "theory" is make up of whole cloth.  Not on one shred of evidence supports this.

    The Inspired Version of the Bible, e,g. the Book of Moses,  is a specific  example of this theory.  You are assuming that we are in possession of most or all the facts, which is simply not true.  As with the BOM and the JST, Joseph Smith simply did not describe the translation process.

    While the translation process remains problematic, the text itself refers  to historical facts which were unlikely available to Joseph Smith.




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  14. 1 hour ago, Exiled said:

    One can always have hope something will materialize in the future.  Anyway, I hope you are having a wonderful Christmas.

    The anachronism argument is based on a logical fallacy -- "not found, not exist", and  the assumption that it  will not materialize in the future.
    A futile attempt to prove a negative by simply  making an assertion.

    You must be new here.

    Merry Christmas.

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