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  1. 10 hours ago, Tacenda said:

    I don't think the church is honest in saying these are "volunteers". And when sending the call to missionaries, it's listed as a mission. Why is the church doing that? "Honest in all our dealings" except.....

    .....Sigh.... more trash talk from the uninformed

    Service missionaries do not proselyte.  I did family search indexing assignments but had a name tag, mission leader, etc.  Some of them are full time and live in special housing in SLC.
    Be more  careful when calling out the church leaders as liars.    "Support the church leaders even when (you think) they are wrong."

  2. 5 hours ago, Kevin Christensen said:

    This is just what a covenant community should have from its adherents in order to thrive.  We should work together, help one another, and most importantly, put up with the crap.

    Alma 32 talks about starting with even a portion of the word, and he does not specify which portion a person begins with.  If historicity is not your thing to start with, fine. 

    Personally, I think it is important because the story of the Book of Mormon is what defines and binds this community.  And again, personally, I am impressed with much in the Book of Mormon that seems best explained to be as eye-witness testimony, rather than Joseph Smith spinning a yarn in the manner of a precocious Tolkien or C.S. Lewis.  Personally, as I have nurtured that seed, I have seen much growth, growth for which the whole point is to change the seed I started with.  Not a scandal to be shocked by.

    A stunning insight at so many levels.  I need to dig about this for awhile to understand the implications.

    Connect the dots, so to speak.  I cannot let you have have last word on this.  It will take awhile.

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  3. 15 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

    John A. Tvedtnes, “The Use of Mnemonic Devices in Oral Traditions, As Exemplified by the Book of Abraham and the Hor Sensen Papyrus,” SEHA Newsletter, 120.4 (Apr 1970),2-10 , online at http://www.shields-research.org/General/SEHA/SEHA_Newsletter_120-2.PDF .


    I made a prediction that this theory would be  ignored until the missing scroll theory eventually crashed and burned.  I figured about in about 50 years..

    The key to the theory is that otherwise  annoying EAG.


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  4. Pretty sure from the same source where he said that people dressed like quakers lived on the moon.  Will be published in Vol 11 of Joseph Smith Papers project
    "Faith Promoting Rumours".

    Chapter 3, titled "If he didn't say it, he should have."

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  5. On 3/15/2019 at 6:22 AM, Rivers said:

    The Book of Mormon is a strange phenomenon.


    On one hand there are legitimate problems.  Namely, the anachronisms and lack of hard archaeological proof.

    "Anachronism" is just another word for "Not found, not exist", which is a logical fallacy. 

    Exactly  how do you define "hard archaeological proof" -- a chariot road sign that says in Reformed Egyptian "Welcome to "Zarahemla, population 2 million"?  A  Schroeder's cat sort of thing, so to speak -->> How do you identify a Nephite jade necklace, for example.  Once you figure that out, then you know what to look for.  The BOM tells us that their language was not known to any other people, and virtually all of the codices were destroyed by the Spanish.  We don't even know the ancient city or geographical names, although  the ancient city name of "Lamonai" in Belize is interesting.



  6. 1 hour ago, Robert F. Smith said:

    Tim Pool believes that a real civil war is in the offing.  Is that what you are suggesting?

    I am talking abut the drug war, etc, in Mexico (Lamanies) -- driven by the demand from the United States (Gentiles) -- will move north of the border.  Then the police presence will be diminished significantly. (as lions among flocks of sheep)

    Drug use, sex slavery, abortion and now infanticide.  Not civil war, but chaos.

  7. 5 hours ago, hope_for_things said:

    There are probably a lot of things that factor into this trend.  The church focusing on more retention instead of just baptisms, and cleaning up the more egregious baptism practices of the past certainly would contribute.  

    No more "basketball baptisms".  In the late 1960's, in my German mission was  200 missionaries, 100 converts  a year.


    Mormon 5 [24] Therefore, repent ye, [Gentiles] and humble yourselves before him, lest he shall come out in justice against you -- lest a remnant of the seed of Jacob [Lamanites] shall go forth among you as a lion, and tear you in pieces, and there is none to deliver.

    3 Nephi 21 [12] And my people who are a remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles, yea, in the midst of them as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep, who, if he go through both treadeth down and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.


  9. 21 hours ago, strappinglad said:

    I've been told that the laws about preaching etc. do not apply to the Russian Orthodox Church . True? 


    I was invited to a meeting  of the antiMormons some years ago -- very interesting.  They talked about how they sent their missionaries to talk with the leaders of the Orthodox church on how to deal with the "Mormon problem".  I guess they were too successful since the new law  affected them as well.

  10. 6 hours ago, california boy said:

    I don't want to derail this thread by telling you all the mocking I have heard from members both at church and outside the church.  It is pointless.  But you might be unaware of exactly how many Christian churches accept gay marriage.

    Please remove this post and start your own thread.


  11. 23 hours ago, Navidad said:

    My projection also comes from the hundreds of books I have bought and read by faithful Mormons of the 19th, 20th, and 21st centuries. Generally speaking the tone about non-member Christians is not very positive in the writings of many of them. I form my perspectives from them. Nibley, Talmage, Roberts, the Pratts, and many others are giants in the Mormon church. They have had an extensive influence on what the Church is today, especially in the dual sense of culture and doctrine. 

    You are talking about the Utah / Mountain West culture. Were you to go to Asia, Africa, east of the Mississippi, the "Utah culture" would not be so dominate.  I've been living in Georgia and in Utah and experienced the vast differences in culture.   Here in Georgia, the only mocking I have heard is from the missionaries who are primarily from Utah, etc

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