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  1. Not sure if you are speaking tongue in cheek or not (you do that sometimes, cinepro, so I'm not sure), but it's not up to the congregants to determine whether or not it was done correctly. If the presiding authority approves the prayer, then it is valid regardless of whether or not there were mistakes.


    In our married ward at BYU, somebody once read the water prayer while blessing the bread. As it was passed, many were obviously torn as to whether they should take it. My wife and I did, and when others looked at us funny, I whispered that it's the bishop's authority to approve or not approve prayers ---- and that if he approved it, then God would honor that. Even though it was clearly the water and not the bread prayer.


    Yes, this is important.  Even more, we have a member of the ward who doesn't persay have a strength in speaking clearly, and yet the Bishop accepts the prayer, and I'm sure that God would too.

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  2.  I think Freedom and Bluebell covered it pretty well.  The sacrament is sort of a special case.  In any case, if you have felt you said something God didn't want you to in a prayer, ask for his forgiveness (he will give it very quickly usually), and just say what he wants instead.  I've had a few moments where I've been asking for something and God through the Spirit has prompted me 'don't ask for that please', and so yeah, I try to change that as quickly as possible, because I love him, and I want him to be happy with me.


    But yeah.  It's not something that happens during every prayer.  But it happens.

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  3. To be honest, I think the church's focus on obedience is just right.


    And also, I have found that people in church (from the leadership down to the members) happen to be generally more forgiving than the people not in it.  So if people are having trouble with the church's focus on obedience, I can't see how they wouldn't have trouble with general society's focus on obedience to various ideas.

  4. Please do not insult mine or the Boards intelligence, your "bedroom activities" was pointless empty emotional rhetoric.


    Erm... Guerriero was not the one who used 'bedroom activities'... that was someone else...


    Also, so you know, all words are to some degree, rhetoric (there's a great article on Wikipedia about how impossible it is to achieve neutral point of view, you can get close, but not perfectly).  From what I see however, guerriero's response to your post was a bit more substantial than your response to his above.  Perhaps you could rewrite it and address it a bit better.  I don't think your response to his post was good enough, tbh.

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  5. Hmmm... to be more precise.... I think there are many starting path, but only one ending path which can lead to Christ.  Some of us may be more perfect in some things than others, and more weak in some things than others.  But ultimately, in the end, we will all have to learn the same things.  So while we all may not start on the same journey, in order to receive all that Christ has and has promised us if we follow him, we all must eventually converge onto the path he has specified for us to follow.  Obviously, there is disagreement as to where that is, which is why it is so important to have the Spirit and communication with your Heavenly Father.  Else, it is really easy to get lost down forbidden paths.


    EDIT:  Oh darn, this is what I get for not reading many posts.  Calmoriah basically said all that I was going to XD.

  6. How is it that we are losing our radical theology and sounding more and more like Protestants.  People are denouncing the King Follett Sermon, and doubting the Snow Couplet.  Is this what we get from sanitizing the lesson materials?


    Mmmm... I haven't heard so much of denouncing, more of a privatization.  As the world get's more modernistic, people can be less likely to be open to things like such, so we tend to be a bit more on the quiet side of things.

  7. I never have seen any conflict between science and the LDS religion. So I won't waste my time with your video.


    God is the ultimate scientist, many of his ways are beyond us currently, but we humans continue to learn new scientific principles all the time.


    Let me explain what I think mfb meant by 'conflict', in a tiny bit of a different way.  The best example is actually illusions of various sorts.  For instance, what do they say in car mirrors... 'Objects in mirror may be closer than they appear'.  Why do they say this?  Because how we interpret what we see looking in one direction, and how we interpret what we see looking in another direction conflict.  And so, we develop a resolution (that is, that objects in the mirror may be closer than they appear).  Is this necessarily the only resolution?  No.  We could develop thousands of different alternative resolutions.  This is just the one we chose.  We choose to change how we interpret our sight so that way we are able to bring resolution to the conflict.  By conflict (in philosophical terms), it doesn't mean that something is irreconcilable.  It just means we are developing a resolution.  There are several issues where what is said in mainstream scientific opinion and religious speech conflict, that is, they seem to disagree with each other.  And so, we develop resolutions in various ways, so that way the conflicts disappear.  And there isn't anything to be criticized for when creating resolutions - almost everybody does it believe it or not. So if people criticize you for it, just point out that they are doing the same thing on other topics.  Like nearly all of us do.


    To put it more succinctly, rather than change what we believe is correct, we change how we believe it's correct instead.

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  8. 21 ¶Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

    22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

    God is willing to forgive us many times. How do we become perfect? A little at a time over many times. And not necessarily completely in this life, but starting in this life. Trust in him to take us the full way there if we give ourselves to him.

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  9. Well, my question is, why are you taking something quite so literally. I know God enough to know that he will forgive our little imperfections if we strive to fix them. We keep working and failing and working and failing and working. And that's what is really needed, to eventually reach success. So I don't worry so much about the word 'all'... I know what God expects of me from the Spirit, and that is much more complete than any knowledge words could give me. If you want to know what God expects you to do, ask him, and he will show you. One bit at a time. One step at a time. One blessing at a time.

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  10. I wouldn't say this is a good response to atheists. Most atheists don't have problems with the unobserved, they just have problems with believing in the unobserved.

    On the other hand, in my personal opinion, I don't think there's a foundation for those who think the universe created itself. There had to be something beforehand, either matter or God (or for us, both).

  11. Bikemikey and Canard, to be quite honest, I think what Svenback has said is fine. Sexuality (like pretty much everything) is very much tied into social construction, and as of such, there will be different degrees of viewpoints on the subject, not just two or three. So I'd say using the words 'very gay' (that is, very strongly acting upon the inclination), 'somewhat gay' (acting on the inclination sometimes), and 'rarely gay' (acting rarely) should be okay. If anything, it'll help describe what you are talking about better, as it is more descriptive than simply 'gay' or 'straight' or 'bisexual'.

    In any case, if you don't like what Sven says, please try and address it, rather than say 'it's obvious'. Generally, things aren't quite as obvious as one might expect them to be; when I was growing up, socializing and 'common sense' were not obvious to me. So take the time to explain, it'll help you talk with people, even if you don't reach an agreement.

    Best of Wishes,

    No Offenses Intended,


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  12. So, what would be your suggestion regarding these children? What if you had a boy who decided he was a girl? Many of these children know by the time they are 4-5 years old.

    I have no clue to be quite honest. I'd have to think about it first. I just know that this law is the wrong way to go about it.

  13. To be quite honest, I only see this law creating problems. My school (in California) didn't have unisex bathrooms or lockerooms (I doubt many schools have those), and you didn't change in the privacy of a stall. PE continued until 10th grade or 12th if you did sports. I would feel extremely awkward dressing with a member of the opposite sex, transgender or not.

    This is likely not going to work out well. Alas, that's pretty much all politics for you.

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