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  1. 41 minutes ago, Valentinus said:

    Why would anyone take advice from a person with kids who forces said kids to go to a building and worship via prescribed methods and hear people audaciously reaffirm what they think they know?


    How is force-feeding people agnosticism and/or atheism any different than force-feeding them religion? If they can choose religion on their own when they reach maturity, can they not also choose to not be religious?

  2. 2 hours ago, Valentinus said:

    Paying the bills does not justify religious coercion. Kids shouldn't have their young lives monopolized by something that cannot ever be fully understood.

    Why teach children anything at all? Shouldn't they be allowed to choose? Let their tiny, still-forming minds make all their own life decisions.

    "We don't need no education, we don't need no thought control..."

  3. 1 hour ago, Ahab said:

    The idea that all kinds of life are eternal and were transported here from somewhere else makes more sense than evolution, though, and no scientist has ever seen one kind of being become another kind.

    Nobody has ever seen complex life transported from one planetary system to another, either.

  4. Here are some questions for the Biblical literalists on here--how long did Adam live in the Garden of Eden? What  or who lived in the rest of the world? Was it devoid of life, or did other things live out there? How do you decide which pats of the Bible are the literal truth, and which parts are not?

  5. 10 minutes ago, Ahab said:

    This planet was created/ organized/ reorganized using already existing matter.

    Don't pay any attention to the guys who think every particle of matter in this planet was brand spanking new on day 1 after that creation.

    And we just don't know what those particles were used for prior to that creation.

    This sounds like the old notion that all those dinosaur fossils come from whatever planet was smashed up to create this one. Here's a couple of ideas to mull over--how did those fossils and human-like artifacts survive intact after their original planet was smashed to bits and reformed into another planet, and what happened to those earlier animals/people?

  6. Making this planet out of existing matter, and making it habitable for the life that exists on it today, sounds to me just like what the scientists as well as the creationists are saying. The only difference is the time frame (billions of years vs. 6000 years.) Plus the issue of whether it was just cosmic luck or an intentional act by a divine Actor, of course.

  7. 1 minute ago, Alan said:

    Of course there has been global warming. At one time the earth was in the grip of an ice-age, and it's much warmer now! Then there was the medieval warm period (now known to be global) which was warmer than it is now (must have been all those medieval power stations and cars).

    But human induced warming is clearly speculative at best.

    This is the issue. Few reasonable people doubt that warming is occuring, but the issue at hand is whether it is natural, which has happened many times in the geological past, or whether it is manmade, which in the eyes of many calls for draconian social engineering to stop it. Of course there are partisan politics involved--the progressives want to use GW as an excuse to completely restructure society more to their liking, while the other side wants to stick it to the progressives by doing nothing. Poor planet is in for a heck of a ride.

  8. 3 hours ago, notHagoth7 said:

    When you reply/refer to me in the third person...it immediately suggests the mutual respect...and therefore the discussion has ended.

    As an olive-branch attempt to reboot:

    Please help me understand what have I said that you opted to take offense over? (Likely a misunderstanding.)

    I am not offended, it's just that you come across as a bit of a conspiracy theorist, and what I said refers to one of the biggies.

  9. Besides most vaccines are given to children, who have no knowledge or interest in what the vaccine is made of. And they don't get a choice whether to get a shot or not. They are as innocent of any wrongdoing as those babies you claim the vaccines are made from. If a just God were to call down vengeance for those vaccines, it wouldn't be on those toddlers who got vaccinated, but those who invented the vaccines. BTW, I'm pro-immunization.

    As for the increased rate of suicides being murders to shut up the victims of some vast conspiracy, that sounds like the rash of Satanic cult ritual abuse rumors of a few years ago, absoutely zero of which were found to be true. There, I just triggered notHagoth7 again.

  10. Faith is a wonderful thing, as long as it is faith in the right thing. The moon landing hoax idea has been proven wrong over and over again so many times that it ceases to be fun anymore. Every single objection has been explained by professionals, some of which have nothing to do with NASA. The landers, complete with tire tracks from the rovers, have been photographed several times. The list goes on and on. Some people will never believe unless they see it with their own eyes, and even then they won't.

  11. On 2/10/2017 at 8:44 PM, hagoth7 said:

    Lab-coat treatment is merely an arms-length token effort of what many so-called "sick" people truly need most. (Feel free to skip to the link at the bottom of the post.) 

    I'm *not* saying pysch treatment serves no purpose. (So I'm asking politely that others not derail the thread with that red-herring argument.)

    For me and my house, lab-coat treatments/medications are often a dismissive, go-to Bandaid to cover over (rather than heal/restore) the underlying cause of much human suffering/pain.

    Getting to and healing the root cause is what's key. And comprehension/medication often doesn't address the most common root cause - a gaping void in human compassion.

    Many of those who study the cause of addiction have learned much the same. 

    Which is, I suspect, in part why the brethren have been trying to encourage the church to move beyond the previous generation's unhealthy dismissive stigma associated with such so-called "illness".

    Most such people are simply heart-sick....sick and tired, aching to their core of what they've seen and experienced, and from subsequently being repeatedly kicked to the curb in the midst of their suffering by people otherwise professing to be kind. May the world quickly become more like this woman.....Please.


    From personal experience I get what hagoth is saying. I have suffered from depression for pretty much all my adult life. I have been to counselors, who stared blankly at me and offered nothing. I've had 10-minute appointments with a psychiatrist who simply handed out more pills. All I really wanted was someone to give a rip about me as a human being who was struggling to stay alive. A  little compassion and understanding from the people around me would have worked wonders, instead of being shunned because I wasn't happy enough for them. I'm sure I would have been helped by the right combination of drugs and therapy, but I never found them. Please be compassionate to those around you who need compassion.

  12. So the military blew up its own building with one of its own high-tech weapons? Why? Wouldn't the attack on the WTC have been enough of an excuse? And what cruise missle brought down the plane in PA? I thank you for your service to the country, BTW. And the morality and legality of the War on Terrorism is a matter of debate, but to suggest that the US Government or its minions in the military-industrial complex staged the deaths of 3000 innocents just to make a buck beggars the imagination. And there is a perfectly sound explanation for how crashing a large plane full of jet fuel into a building can bring down said building. It absolutely was a conspiracy, but not one of ours.

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