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  1. 27 minutes ago, Calm said:

    We had plenty of people getting Covid before the vac was available.  I think bsjkki is simply saying if the purpose of the mandate is to ensure immunity, why not accept immunity by infection? (Separate from the argument of the risks of infection given immunity doesn’t change whether they got the disease because they refused to get a vac or because they didn’t get a chance to get vac before getting it). 

    How many people who had Covid have proof of such? Three people in my household had Covid and only one has documentation.  Since proof of prior infection (or antibodies) is much more difficult at this point  to prove then requiring vaccination removes that hurdle. 

    It is also easy to say mandates were unnecessary now that we are two years in and 1 year in after the vaccinations became available when this info is just now becoming available. 

    If in the future accepting a positive Covid test fulfills a mandate I'm good with that. The science will be evolving for awhile and so our thinking about how to deal with it should too. 

    The CDC will keep updating these interim guidelines. 


  2. 25 minutes ago, bsjkki said:

    Vaxx mandates bad. Vaxx good. My post had nothing to do with whether you got the vaxx or not. I got the vax. I got boosted. I think the mandates were not scientific and were counter productive. (Of course, this is all just my opinion.)

    Any public health or medical person that isn't a grifter would never agree that getting a disease is preferable to getting a vax. So no, mandates are not bad. Mandates save lives because getting vaccinated is life saving. It is literally the reason we bother developing vaccines.  And even if a mask doesn't stop the virus 100% does not make a mask useless.  


  3. 1 hour ago, bsjkki said:


    IMO, the vaxx mandate is pointless, does not follow the science and has created unneeded divisiveness. The CDC lost my trust when they refused to acknowledge natural immunity. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10499655/Antibodies-unjabbed-Covid-survivors-stronger-protection-two-doses-study-claims.html

    Research led by experts from the Sheba Medical Center in Ramat Gan, Israel, has shown people who have had Covid but never been vaccinated have longer lasting immunity than those who were double-jabbed but never been infected. Graph shows: Patients' antibody avidity — how well the infection-fighting proteins attach to the target virus — after natural infection (red) or a second vaccination (blue)

    I for one did not want to volunteer to get Covid to see if my immunity was going to last longer than someone vaccinated.  Someone who actually got the mumps may have had longer immunity than someone who was vaccinated.  They are now sterile, but hey, their immunity lasted longer. 

  4. On 2/5/2022 at 3:14 PM, longview said:

    I agree!  However, as I indicated in my earlier posts, the greater danger is in the normal breathing that contain millions of one micron sized particles that very easily passes through even the highest quality masks.  The sneezing mists and the heavier coughing spittles do have more substantial weight and do quickly drop to the ground.

    But the one micron sized particles from normal breathing do behave like humid air and they do float intermingled into the air for much longer.  @Tacenda 's video link provides a dramatic illustration of even the fine mists of sneezing do pass through masks even with some degree of mitigation.  But there is NO mitigation of normal breath that easily passes into the air around us, with or without masks.

    I wasn't even referring to COVID, I was strictly talking about life in general.  Why bother covering your mouth ever when you sneeze or cough? Why is it good manners?
    These are rhetorical questions only.    And I'll answer them myself. We do it because it there is at least SOME mitigation of spreading germs when we direct a cough or sneeze another direction or into an elbow. Does it stop EVERYTHING? No, and yet we still do it. 
    Masks will not stop everything and no one has ever claimed that. Do they signal that we are trying our best to stop spreading it? Yes. 
    I have yet to see a study that says masks are useless.  Everyone shows that some masking helps at least a little. 


  5. So the people that say that masks are useless are these the same people that don't cover their mouth or nose when they sneeze and cough because it's useless?

    Why are we teaching children to cough or sneeze into their elbow then? 

  6. The aspirin theory explains why my sister's physician said everyone should be taking a baby aspirin after your immunization then ongoing/everyday.  I just started because my immunized brother who got COVID but was not hospitalized just very sick, ended up with a blood clot from his thigh to his calf. He is doing well on blood thinners but I'm not taking chances. As a family with a history of clots and strokes it just seems wise. 

  7. 22 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

    Seems to me that in a college town like Rexburg they’d be able to call enough younger folks from among the campus community who don’t share such attitudes to make up any shortage. But I have no way of knowing. 

    They do use the university students, however, since the school session is just starting it will take some time get the them called and trained. 

  8. 2 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

    Which temple?

    Rexburg. I'm wondering if it will impact how many sessions they will be able to hold if there are more defectors. They are pretty typical of the folks around here. They don't believe in vaccinations, masks, social distancing or that covid is harmful and that once you've had it you don't have to worry about getting it again. 
    I was the only person wearing a mask last Sunday at sacrament meeting. 

  9. On 9/22/2021 at 12:51 PM, Scott Lloyd said:

    This was already being done in the temple where I serve (it has been closed since August for remodeling). 

    Templegoers by and large will follow direction from Church leaders without complaint or murmuring. It’s in their nature. 

    My neighbors who work in the temple quit because they were required to wear masks. I'm more than a little shocked. 

  10. 2 hours ago, Bill “Papa” Lee said:

    Unlike my oldest daughter, and son-in-law, my oldest son and his wife did not need to be hospitalized. Although both were very sick, their Oxygen levels did not drop into the 80’s. They are slowly getting better, as is my wife, who got the lesser symptoms, thanks to having had the vaccine. Either that, or God took pity on my wife and I, this time around. My son had received the first shot, of the two shot series. However, when he got suck and running a high fever, the health department told him not to show for the second shot, until he got better completely free of COVID-19 symptoms. He may have gotten COVID from the first shot, as it happens sometimes. Either way, they are finally crawling out of the woods. Their two children, two of my wonderful granddaughter’s were spared anything, however their schools would not let them attend class. Our family has been hard hit, all but my youngest son and his wife. They were vaccinated long ago, my daughter-in-law was mandated, because she is a State Pre-School teacher. Sometimes I wonder if my wife and I received a placebo, rather than the good stuff, if their is truly “good stuff”, since we still got sick three times now, who knows. What is true, is that my wife and I would endure any sickness to spare those we love, our children (including all our in-laws) and grandchildren. For those 17 people, no task is too hard to endure. Also, “Rivers”, thank you for asking.  

    It is literally impossible to get COVID from the vaccine because it contains zero virus. That's not how these vaccines work but what you are describing is the older vaccine technology. 
    I hope your family recovers quickly and completely. Sounds like you've had a rough go. 

  11. 55 minutes ago, rongo said:

    How serious are you about the bolded part? Because the Church has been surveying Millennials/GenZ about garments (including how much they like/don't like them in general, think they are weird, etc.). I don't think it's preposterous to think that they will be done away with, at least as far as "throughout your life" and "morning and night." 

    What would happen to members who decide to keep wearing them? Would they be subject to discipline? 

    It seems like all things that are floated as trial balloons in surveys (or are "piloted") eventually are implemented --- it's just a question of when.

    But if we aren't required to wear them all of the time how will judge those who we suspect aren't wearing them? 

    We'd have to rely on their fruits and that's not near as fulfilling as looking for garment lines. 

  12. 20 minutes ago, Ginger Snaps said:

    I thought Rexburg was having a student housing crisis. I can’t imagine where they’d find room for an MTC 😄

    The rumored area is a large plot of land across the street from Walmart. There is a ton of farmland available and plenty of room for an MTC around Rexburg. Having land area is not a problem. Many farmers would be thrilled to have it purchased by the Church for its use. 

  13. 8 minutes ago, bluebell said:

    I had to laugh at the last line.

    I personally haven't heard any rumors for this conference.  It seems like, since the last few conferences have been business as usual as far as changes goes, that people have stopped sharing rumors or expecting anything new.

    I'd be surprised if anything really new is announced, but your prediction about Rexburg could easily be true, though didn't Rexburg just get a temple a few years ago?  

    Yes, in 2008 the Rexburg temple opened. 
    I understand the new temple would be associated with the MTC, so I'm guessing it may be dedicated to the missionaries at the MTC. 

  14. 13 minutes ago, pogi said:

    pathologically dysfunctional?

    Yes. Over the years he has learned to cope with it and he takes medication so he doesn't spend so much time in the bishop's office confessing sin that doesn't need to be confessed,  but his dysfunction is only rooted in religious guilt.

    He is textbook:



    What is Scrupulosity? A form of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) involving religious or moral obsessions. Scrupulous individuals are overly concerned that something they thought or did might be a sin or other violation of religious or moral doctrine.


  15. On 4/27/2021 at 12:35 PM, JAHS said:

    "Scrupulosity is characterized by pathological guilt about moral or religious issues. It is personally distressing, objectively dysfunctional, and often accompanied by significant impairment in social functioning. It is typically conceptualized as a moral or religious form of obsessive–compulsive disorder."

    I wonder how many have left the church because of this "disorder".  I have known so many who have tried so hard to live the letter of the law and because of that and the guilt they feel they decide to give up and leave the church as the lady in this article did:

    From Mormon missionary to Lutheran pastor

    "Katie Langston didn’t know much about Lutheranism when she enrolled in a Lutheran seminary. She only knew that Mormonism, the religion of her childhood, had become wrapped up with both joy and pain, and that the pain had started to be more prominent.

    We were a very devout family, very conservative,” Langston told RNS.

    The term she uses is “quasi-fundamentalist”—not in the sense that they practiced polygamy, which “fundamentalist” has become code for in Mormon circles, but in the classic sense of interpreting scripture and the counsel of general authorities in a very literal, black-and-white way.

    It was a loving childhood, but Langston often experienced crippling anxiety. “I was a very sensitive kid and had a ton of religious anxiety that would later be diagnosed as scrupulosity, a religious form of OCD,”

     In the memoir she recounts her struggles to stay “clean” as a Mormon youth, engaging in repeated patterns of doing something the Church viewed as wrong and then praying desperately for forgiveness. “Please forgive me of all my sins,” she would beg—through her childhood, her mission to Bulgaria and into her adult life.

    It took a toll. “It reached a point in adulthood when I felt as if life was not worth living, to be honest. Around that time, I had a profound experience of God’s grace that I struggled to make sense of within a Mormon context. I battled with that for the better part of a decade.”

    Was she affected by the example of her parents? Was this just part of her personality? Can members with this same kind of OCD personality still thrive as members of the Church?


    I have not read everyone's comments but I will say that I am married to a man who suffers from this. I didn't know it had a name and I'm sure he doesn't either. Wow. 

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