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  1. Be careful what you wish for. When a bill or a piece of legislation is not specific and is vague, what you are really doing is leaving it up to a prosecutors and judges to make that decision. A law can never command a prosecutor to prosecute, but a carefully worded statute can limit the power of a prosecutor.
  2. Bright line tests are often used to make admiration easier and more uniform. There is no logical reason a person who is 15 years, 11 months and 27 days isn't mature enough to drive a car, but someone who is three days older can, but it makes administering the law easier and more uniform. Seriously, your brother can go back to church and vape if he wants to (as long as he isn't vaping in the building). No one is going to kick him out. Probably a lot of people with much more serious problems attending.
  3. Anytime someone uses the word "all" in a debate generally means someone is setting up a trap. There are nuance and exceptions to everything and one can come up with hypotheticals to negate the "all". However, generally I think that transsexuals who use medical treatments are ill to try and force their body to be more like they imagine their body should be are experiencing mental illness. (The Insurers and doctors seem to agree on this) People who self diagnose themselves may or may not fit the clinical definitions of Gender Dysphoria. As with any medical condition, there are varying degrees of the condition, from mild to severe. Transsexualism seems to start with the idea that one is not happy with themselves and their happiness depends on their bodies being altered to fit their perceived notion of the way their bodies should look like. I don't believe people who dislike their bodies to to the point that they are willing to mutilate themselves have good mental health.
  4. Generally, getting medical treatment requires a medical diagnosis. I think this is a good thing. I have found that people often are not very good at self diagnosis.
  5. Oh dear, First thing that come up with quick google search. http://www.aetna.com/cpb/medical/data/600_699/0615.html I pasted some excerpts below, bolding the requirements of a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. "Policy Aetna considers gender affirming surgery medically necessary when criteria for each of the following procedures is met: Requirements for Breast Removal Single letter of referral from a qualified mental health professional (see Appendix); and Persistent, well-documented gender dysphoria (see Appendix); and Capacity to make a fully informed decision and to consent for treatment; and For members less than 18 years of age, completion of one year of testosterone treatment; and If significant medical or mental health concerns are present, they must be reasonably well controlled." Requirements for Gonadectomy (Hysterectomy and Oophorectomy or Orchiectomy) Two referral letters from qualified mental health professionals, one in a purely evaluative role (see appendix); and Persistent, well-documented gender dysphoria (see Appendix); and Capacity to make a fully informed decision and to consent for treatment; and Age 18 years or older; and If significant medical or mental health concerns are present, they must be reasonably well controlled; and Twelve months of continuous hormone therapy as appropriate to the member's gender goals (unless the member has a medical contraindication or is otherwise unable or unwilling to take hormones). A diagnosis of gender dysphoria requires a marked difference between the individual’s expressed/experienced gender and the gender others would assign him or her, and it must continue for at least six months. This condition may cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational or other important areas of functioning.
  6. So you don't believe in medical treatment for gender dysphoria?
  7. Smack provided references to gender dysphoria being a medical issue. You don't seem to believe it, so I take it you oppose medical treatment.
  8. Just curious, but why the need for medical intervention if these are just choices?
  9. Actually Trans people are classified as mentally ill. It has to be that way otherwise there could be no insurance reimbursement for treatment.
  10. Don't be silly, no one here actually cares about the Legal issues.
  11. When you use the Court to make legislative decisions, these are the results you get. The Supreme Court Giveth and the Supreme Court Taketh away, Blessed be the Supreme Court.
  12. I would say that the insanity of it all was caused by reactions to the roe decision. The legitimacy of the Supreme Court has been in decline for many years since they decided to make themselves another legislative policymaking body. The supreme court, it turns out isn't well suited to making policy decisions. Qualified immunity, Miranda, Roe, Obergefell, Citizens United, Bush v Gore just to name a few. Lochner, probably started it all.
  13. Most of the controversial supreme court decisions are not controversial because what is decided, they are more about who decides. As seen on this thread, most pro abortion posters have a lot of nuance about what abortions to allow (how far along, etc) and most anti abortion posters have a lot of nuance about what abortions to allow (Maternal health, rape, incest, fetal defect, etc) The big problem with Roe, it that the court tried to take a complex question on the administration of medical care to pregnant women and distil it to a rule that didn't go through a committee and could not be altered by anyone other than a different group of unelected Judges. By taking the matter out of the hands of the legislate, input from people is reduced to people jumping up and down waving signs instead of people having discussions with their representatives who can take into account and be informed in their decisions by various experts. I know of no serious legal scholar who defends Roe on legal grounds, it was poorly written and the only reason it is still around is that so many people agree with it on policy grounds. In general, policies, especially ones as complex as topic should not be decided by courts. Policy is for legislatures.
  14. ship sailed on that a long time ago. There are many laws that allow people to sue civilly for enforcement. RICO is one that has been talked about on this board a lot.
  15. We shouldn't limit our discussion to criminalization. Most things that are not legal are not criminal. they are civil. We don't need to make everything we don't want people do a crime. Give them a civil penalty.
  16. Unfortunately, an overzealous prosecutor can pretty much prosecute anyone they want. No one is really safe, if they don't use an anti abortion law, they can find another law.
  17. Using the word "liar" seems to be quite popular today. Being a "Liar" is much different than being wrong, or making a weak argument. That is sad. However, I am unaware of anyone who has been criminally prosecuted, ever, for having an ectopic pregnancy treated. Also, many people on this thread are talking about "criminal" like they know what that actually means. A criminal statute is often enforced less than a civil statute, due to the enhanced burden of proof. Also, with the abundance of criminal laws these days and how vague they are often written, its likely that we are all criminals.
  18. I don't think there should be consequences for people's weakening testimony. People's testimonies often get stronger or weaker based on where they are in their lives. Consequences should be reserved for those who want to openly rebel, in my opinion. Throughout the years, in talking a working with youth (and adults) the question often comes up. "Will one cigarette, one beer, one night with my girlfriend, etc keep me from heaven?" The best answer that I have come up with is "Probably not, but rebellion will" When we rebel we are basically saying that we don't want to go to heaven because we don't want God. Our sins won't keep us from heaven if we accept the atonement of Christ, but when we rebel, we are basically refusing the atonement of Christ and Christ wont force us to go somewhere or do something we don't want to do.
  19. There is a difference between loss of a testimony and rebellion.
  20. Couple of days ago, I had the opportunity of attending the temple with a sister in our branch who was getting her endowments for the first time. It was a wonderful experience. This sister had found the gospel after her daughter had joined the church as a young woman. If it weren't for this youth questioning her faith and embracing the gospel, this lovely sister might not have joined. My wife joined the church as a youth, leaving the religion she was raised in. Youth and young adults present a challenge, and an opportunity.
  21. Young people have been leaving the church since I was a young person. Also, in my experience here and on my mission, young adults were the most likely to join as well. When you are a young adult, you start making decisions on your own, for many that involves questioning faith. Many of those question their faith and choose to join the church and many who are already members of the church choose to leave. Young people leaving is certainly a problem, but I am not sure it is a new problem. As far as BYU is concerned from what I hear, both from my children and others who attended, is that if you want to sin, you can find it there. If you want to be righteous, you can find it there as well. You get what you want. My children are very grateful that at BYU they can actually find a community of young adults that want to live the gospel, something much more difficult elsewhere. But, if you are looking for trouble, you can certainly find it.
  22. I am not sure you can extrapolate your local flavor of rebellion to the whole church.
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