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On 8/13/2019 at 11:21 PM, mfbukowski said:

Which of those are "healthy"?

Herbal tea, yes of course.  I have orders from my Doc to avoid caffeine- so neither of those are "healthy" for me and I would argue for anyone since both can lead to heart problems- irregular heart beat, elevated blood pressure,  due to caffeine.

And caffeine doesn't seem to hurt me at all.  Not that this gives me a reason to keep using it, of course.  My brother is in your position with respect to caffeine, btw.

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On 8/14/2019 at 12:31 AM, Robert F. Smith said:

Careful, Homey, my mother loved Coca-Cola.

Coca cola is crap.  Pepsi is da bomb!

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On 8/14/2019 at 2:26 AM, Robert F. Smith said:

My late wife was hooked on Pepsi, especially fresh, on tap at a Maverik station.  She'd get a headache if she didn't get her fix.

Oddly enough, I seem to sleep better after drinking a Pepsi Max (that's a British thing; not sure what is the equivalent thing in the US).  Except lately I've been cutting back on caffeinated drinks before bedtime.  

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3 hours ago, Stargazer said:

Coca cola is crap.  Pepsi is da bomb!

Given the obesity and diabetes epidemic in almost all of western civilization perhaps the Church should add them back in officially this time.

They are far worse for health than any tea or coffee.  I don't think health is the primary concern as long as tea is a sin and soda is permitted.  Some other doctrinal principle must be behind these pronouncements. 

Personally, I've dropped 30lbs by dropping soda.

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1 minute ago, rockpond said:

I thought this might come along...

http://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/statement-word-of-wisdom-august-2019

Newsroom throws its weight behind the New Era article. 

I think it’s good that they did that... news outlets quoting the New Era was kinda comical. 

Do we get to exercise our common consent on this in October?  :)  I know, I know... we don’t do that anymore! Silly Rockpond.

 

From my perspective, nothing has changed so there’s nothing to consent to. 

I know others see it differently. 

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7 hours ago, Stargazer said:

And caffeine doesn't seem to hurt me at all.  Not that this gives me a reason to keep using it, of course.  My brother is in your position with respect to caffeine, btw.

If you look back in 40 years and say "oops, I wish I had not used it...." will you regret it?

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19 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

If you look back in 40 years and say "oops, I wish I had not used it...." will you regret it?

With respect, if stargazer is still with us in 40 years (107 ish years old per his profile) I don’t think he’ll be regretting it...

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32 minutes ago, SeekingUnderstanding said:

With respect, if stargazer is still with us in 40 years (107 ish years old per his profile) I don’t think he’ll be regretting it...

After about 90 he will probably wish he drank more to hurry up passage through the veil. I know I probably will.

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My mom (89) is wondering what is stopping her from joining my dad in the next adventure (Dad was planning on a major celestial motorcycle tour once Mom gets there to go with him, don’t see any likelihood he has changed his mind) and it is probably her devotion to good nutrition and exercise all of her life. (I had never tasted or even seen in real life cooked Kraft macaroni and cheese before I went to college, I got roast beef——not the deli kind——on whole wheat or sourdough bread sandwiches and oranges instead of potato chips in my lunch bags.  Our peanut butter was fresh ground.  So now she has dementia and is in bad pain due to genetics and arthritis while pretty healthy otherwise.  She could easily last another ten years.  

I may tell her to take up drinking and smoking to help things along. :P

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15 minutes ago, Calm said:

My mom (89) is wondering what is stopping her from joining my dad in the next adventure (Dad was planning on a major celestial motorcycle tour once Mom gets there to go with him, don’t see any likelihood he has changed his mind) and it is probably her devotion to good nutrition and exercise all of her life. (I had never tasted or even seen in real life Kraft macaroni and cheese before I went to college, I got roast beef——not the deli kind——on whole wheat or sourdough bread sandwiches and oranges instead of potato chips in my lunch bags.  Our peanut butter was fresh ground.  So now she has dementia and is in bad pain due to genetics and arthritis while pretty healthy otherwise.  She could easily last another ten years.  

I may tell her to take up drinking and smoking to help things along. :P

It's tough to "lose" someone before you actually lose her.  Best wishes.

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1 hour ago, Kenngo1969 said:

It's tough to "lose" someone before you actually lose her.  Best wishes.

We have spent the day in the hospital. I am in her bed and she is sleeping in her chair because they gave her a narcotic when they put a balloon in her nose to stop it bleeding (so you know if you plug the nose, the blood will come out the eyes?) and she can’t be alone until we see how she responds. I get to up her care when the boss gets here and then see if she needs to go into 24/7 because she couldn’t process what she should do and wouldn’t buzz for help. My sister is broken-hearted as she was just having great conversations with her. There is such a contrast between the good and the bad, it is almost unbelievable if you are not seeing it for yourself. 

I am going to have so many questions for God about why things are this way. 

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3 hours ago, Calm said:

... I am going to have so many questions for God about why things are this way. 

I don't blame you.  I don't know what else to say.  (Mere words, anyway, are inadequate.) :(

I wish you well.

-Ken

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5 hours ago, Calm said:

My mom (89) is wondering what is stopping her from joining my dad in the next adventure (Dad was planning on a major celestial motorcycle tour once Mom gets there to go with him, don’t see any likelihood he has changed his mind) and it is probably her devotion to good nutrition and exercise all of her life. (I had never tasted or even seen in real life cooked Kraft macaroni and cheese before I went to college, I got roast beef——not the deli kind——on whole wheat or sourdough bread sandwiches and oranges instead of potato chips in my lunch bags.  Our peanut butter was fresh ground.  So now she has dementia and is in bad pain due to genetics and arthritis while pretty healthy otherwise.  She could easily last another ten years.  

I may tell her to take up drinking and smoking to help things along. :P

My sweet great grandmother attributed her longevity to taking her vitamins every day.  In her 90’s and having lost her eternal companion about five decades earlier, she commented that she would like to stop taking the daily vitamins so as to not live so long.  But then she felt that doing so would be something akin to suicide, so she kept taking them! 

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12 hours ago, bluebell said:

From my perspective, nothing has changed so there’s nothing to consent to. 

I know others see it differently. 

The part that caught my attention was this...

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They also have cautioned that substances such as marijuana and opioids should be used only for medicinal purposes as prescribed by a competent physician.

I don't recall seeing the church approve of MJ for medicinal purposes, but I might have missed it. Has the church allowed for that before?

ETA- for those expecting the church to ease up on WoW restrictions as a way of catering to Millenials, we definitely have the church's response to that expectation.

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6 hours ago, Calm said:

My mom (89) is wondering what is stopping her from joining my dad in the next adventure (Dad was planning on a major celestial motorcycle tour once Mom gets there to go with him, don’t see any likelihood he has changed his mind) and it is probably her devotion to good nutrition and exercise all of her life. (I had never tasted or even seen in real life cooked Kraft macaroni and cheese before I went to college, I got roast beef——not the deli kind——on whole wheat or sourdough bread sandwiches and oranges instead of potato chips in my lunch bags.  Our peanut butter was fresh ground.  So now she has dementia and is in bad pain due to genetics and arthritis while pretty healthy otherwise.  She could easily last another ten years.  

I may tell her to take up drinking and smoking to help things along. :P

My mom was very healthy as well. Early in her Alzheimer's but late enough that she was in a care center, she got pneumonia. She was treated for it, but looking back in hindsight, I wonder if she could have left the life she had so bravely endured earlier than the several years she suffered.

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I read the new release posted from the church about the WoW, and read down to the part of medical marijuana. It said only with a doctor's prescription would it's use be ok. I'm mad about that part, since doctors are not going to know what to prescribe exactly, nor is it legal yet, so people are suffering needlessly just to keep a recommend, lame! It's shown to bring down tumors significantly and ease the pain of chemo/radiation and a plethora of other things. Why would the church recklessly do this to stalwart LDS?!?

The church right now is clueless, IMO. 

The only good thing, if it's really that and I say in jest, is that when my mother-in-law asked my husband why we weren't able to attend the temple with the family, my husband said it was because of my use of CBD/THC oil and it not being okay in the WoW and now this from the church verifies that it is so. 

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16 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I read the new release posted from the church about the WoW, and read down to the part of medical marijuana. It said only with a doctor's prescription would it's use be ok. I'm mad about that part, since doctors are not going to know what to prescribe exactly, nor is it legal yet, so people are suffering needlessly just to keep a recommend, lame! It's shown to bring down tumors significantly and ease the pain of chemo/radiation and a plethora of other things. Why would the church recklessly do this to stalwart LDS?!?

The church right now is clueless, IMO. 

The only good thing, if it's really that and I say in jest, is that when my mother-in-law asked my husband why we weren't able to attend the temple with the family, my husband said it was because of my use of CBD/THC oil and it not being okay in the WoW and now this from the church verifies that it is so. 

Colorado is always open. 

Calm , strength to you and your journey. 

In other news, I set out an inedible over-salted salmon last week and forgot to toss it.  My 20 year old cat who pees in my house ate half of it. Let’s call this a happy little accident. 

However. She is still going strong. 

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7 minutes ago, HappyJackWagon said:

The part that caught my attention was this...

I don't recall seeing the church approve of MJ for medicinal purposes, but I might have missed it. Has the church allowed for that before?

ETA- for those expecting the church to ease up on WoW restrictions as a way of catering to Millenials, we definitely have the church's response to that expectation.

In 2010 there were reports of Elder Nelson and another GA being asked off the cuff at a church meeting about medical MJ and they replied that the church had no position on medical marijuana.  In 2018, during a news conference, Elder Jack Gerard of the Seventy stated "The church does not object to the medicinal use of marijuana, if doctor-prescribed, in dosage form, through a licensed pharmacy."

 

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29 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I read the new release posted from the church about the WoW, and read down to the part of medical marijuana. It said only with a doctor's prescription would it's use be ok. I'm mad about that part, since doctors are not going to know what to prescribe exactly, nor is it legal yet, so people are suffering needlessly just to keep a recommend, lame! It's shown to bring down tumors significantly and ease the pain of chemo/radiation and a plethora of other things. Why would the church recklessly do this to stalwart LDS?!?

The church right now is clueless, IMO. 

The only good thing, if it's really that and I say in jest, is that when my mother-in-law asked my husband why we weren't able to attend the temple with the family, my husband said it was because of my use of CBD/THC oil and it not being okay in the WoW and now this from the church verifies that it is so. 

Does Cannabis Cure Cancer?

"Astounding testimonials about cannabis and its derived products shrinking tumours or curing terminal cases are easy to find on the internet. But alluring as these stories are, they tend to be based on misunderstanding, wishful thinking or outright falsehood. 

Let’s start by asking what the medical efficacy might be. Contrary to what most people believe, medical uses of cannabis have been widely studied. A 2017 review by the National Academy of Science looked at over 10,000 studies. They found evidence for some applications of cannabis, including managing chronic pain and spasms associated with multiple sclerosis. There was also good evidence that tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the main psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, can reduce the nausea caused by chemotherapy. Indeed, a synthetic form of THC, called dronabinol, has been prescribed for just this use for decades. 

But, crucially, there is zero evidence that cannabis has any curative or even helpful impact on cancer, despite enthusiastic claims to the contrary."

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52 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I read the new release posted from the church about the WoW, and read down to the part of medical marijuana. It said only with a doctor's prescription would it's use be ok. I'm mad about that part, since doctors are not going to know what to prescribe exactly, nor is it legal yet, so people are suffering needlessly just to keep a recommend, lame! It's shown to bring down tumors significantly and ease the pain of chemo/radiation and a plethora of other things. Why would the church recklessly do this to stalwart LDS?!?

The church right now is clueless, IMO. 

The only good thing, if it's really that and I say in jest, is that when my mother-in-law asked my husband why we weren't able to attend the temple with the family, my husband said it was because of my use of CBD/THC oil and it not being okay in the WoW and now this from the church verifies that it is so. 

You are expecting the church to tell you to go ahead and self-medicate with whatever even if it is illegal? You are mad that they are not telling you to go ahead and break the law?

It has also not been shown to do all those things in controlled medical studies. At least not yet. If you just like the stuff go nuts but exaggerating the medical benefits as a reasoning for it is irresponsible and dangerous. People die all the time because they ran off to alternative medicine or supplements and did not seek out real proven medical care.

Edit: Bluebell beat me to it.

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21 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Does Cannabis Cure Cancer?

"Astounding testimonials about cannabis and its derived products shrinking tumours or curing terminal cases are easy to find on the internet. But alluring as these stories are, they tend to be based on misunderstanding, wishful thinking or outright falsehood. 

Let’s start by asking what the medical efficacy might be. Contrary to what most people believe, medical uses of cannabis have been widely studied. A 2017 review by the National Academy of Science looked at over 10,000 studies. They found evidence for some applications of cannabis, including managing chronic pain and spasms associated with multiple sclerosis. There was also good evidence that tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the main psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, can reduce the nausea caused by chemotherapy. Indeed, a synthetic form of THC, called dronabinol, has been prescribed for just this use for decades. 

But, crucially, there is zero evidence that cannabis has any curative or even helpful impact on cancer, despite enthusiastic claims to the contrary."

Here's your evidence, youtube below, and hopefully you'll be open to watching the full documentary on netflix. And here's another studyhttps://www.rxleaf.com/neuroblastoma-cells-are-killed-by-cbd-making-it-a-possible-cancer-treatment/?fbclid=IwAR30fkTCRuDja7kUmzJf1Owce3jaJWhrZ-8oMCakK_QPSyWZoui7yFRqf6c:  Also, as I've mentioned before, I'm on a FB group called, Cannabis Oil Success Stories. Recently a woman posted how it reduced her husband's tumor. Her post: 

I haven't been on here in a long time. Many months. But I have some REALLY GOOD NEWS and I want to share it with all of you.

My husband was diagnosed with liver cancer in August, 2017. All the doctors said he had "a few months, at best" to live. Because he was not eligible for a transplant or any other medical treatment other than chemo we agreed he would not go that route. So he has had zero medical treatments other than pain relief.

What we did do was start him on Cannabis oil. At first he took 1 capsule of thc oil combined with coconut oil twice a day. I am guessing it was about a gram total. The very day he started taking it he said the pain was better. He had a cutting, burning pain in his stomach, liver area and it was gone. However it would return after the medicine wore off. So over time we increased his dosage and now he is up to around 5 grams per day. That's a whole lot and it is very expensive which makes me so angry and sad., It should be given to everyone who wants to take it for treatment.

Anyway...my news is this. When he was first diagnosed with a liver scan they found the main tumor was 12.5 cm. Hospice insisted that he go have another scan because he has been a Hospice patient for 1.5 years. The results came back and THE TUMOR IS NOW 11.1 cm!!! None of the medical people can believe it! I have no investments and I do not sell or profit from what I am telling you. This is the absolute truth.

Of course I do not have any idea what the results would be for someone else. We have been on a healthy diet, but not to the extreme. The only thing he has done is take the oil and pain medication. I hope this helps someone out there. I was a skeptic. My husband was the one that thought it would help him. After the first dose and I could see the change in him I started to believe. Now after 2 years and with the news we got today about the tumor I am a firm believer.

Everyone who has someone they love who has cancer (and who doesn't at this point?) should contact their lawmakers and insist that Cannabis Oil be paid for by insurance and the Federal Government should change their schedule 1 of Marijuana. That is a big lie in itself. Vote for those who support Cannabis. And if you can find a way to get the oil or make it yourself (it's easy...look on Youtube) I believe it will help fight the cancer.

I don't know what the future holds. My husband is a long way from being cured. But the relief he has gotten from the oil and now the shrinkage of a cancer tumor is a big success.

I wish all of you the best.

 
 

 

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10 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Here's your evidence, youtube below, and hopefully you'll be open to watching the full documentary on netflix. And here's another studyhttps://www.rxleaf.com/neuroblastoma-cells-are-killed-by-cbd-making-it-a-possible-cancer-treatment/?fbclid=IwAR30fkTCRuDja7kUmzJf1Owce3jaJWhrZ-8oMCakK_QPSyWZoui7yFRqf6c:  Also, as I've mentioned before, I'm on a FB group called, Cannabis Oil Success Stories. Recently a woman posted how it reduced her husband's tumor. Her post: 

I haven't been on here in a long time. Many months. But I have some REALLY GOOD NEWS and I want to share it with all of you.

My husband was diagnosed with liver cancer in August, 2017. All the doctors said he had "a few months, at best" to live. Because he was not eligible for a transplant or any other medical treatment other than chemo we agreed he would not go that route. So he has had zero medical treatments other than pain relief.

What we did do was start him on Cannabis oil. At first he took 1 capsule of thc oil combined with coconut oil twice a day. I am guessing it was about a gram total. The very day he started taking it he said the pain was better. He had a cutting, burning pain in his stomach, liver area and it was gone. However it would return after the medicine wore off. So over time we increased his dosage and now he is up to around 5 grams per day. That's a whole lot and it is very expensive which makes me so angry and sad., It should be given to everyone who wants to take it for treatment.

Anyway...my news is this. When he was first diagnosed with a liver scan they found the main tumor was 12.5 cm. Hospice insisted that he go have another scan because he has been a Hospice patient for 1.5 years. The results came back and THE TUMOR IS NOW 11.1 cm!!! None of the medical people can believe it! I have no investments and I do not sell or profit from what I am telling you. This is the absolute truth.

Of course I do not have any idea what the results would be for someone else. We have been on a healthy diet, but not to the extreme. The only thing he has done is take the oil and pain medication. I hope this helps someone out there. I was a skeptic. My husband was the one that thought it would help him. After the first dose and I could see the change in him I started to believe. Now after 2 years and with the news we got today about the tumor I am a firm believer.

Everyone who has someone they love who has cancer (and who doesn't at this point?) should contact their lawmakers and insist that Cannabis Oil be paid for by insurance and the Federal Government should change their schedule 1 of Marijuana. That is a big lie in itself. Vote for those who support Cannabis. And if you can find a way to get the oil or make it yourself (it's easy...look on Youtube) I believe it will help fight the cancer.

I don't know what the future holds. My husband is a long way from being cured. But the relief he has gotten from the oil and now the shrinkage of a cancer tumor is a big success.

I wish all of you the best.

 
 

 

I struggle to believe these kinds of stories.  The last one that i read (where the guy went public teaching that marijuana cured his cancer), the guy died of the cancer he had cured two years later.  I appreciate that the woman, sharing her story, acknowledges that she has no idea what caused her husband's relief.   

In the end, anecdotes can't compete with actually scientific research and trials.  Science has shown that TCH helps a lot with some cancer-treatment related problems, but it's not a miracle drug.

Dr. Donald Abrams, one of the earliest pioneers of cannabis research in supportive care, Professor of Clinical Medicine at University of California San Francisco and general oncologist at Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital, shared his clinical experience with medical cannabis in the state that first legalized it in 1996:

“As an oncologist in San Francisco for the past thirty-three years, I often say that I would venture to guess that the majority of the patients I have cared for have used cannabis during their treatment. Thus if cannabis cured cancer, I would have a lot more survivors. Granted, the plasma concentration of inhaled cannabis, as most of my patients have likely used in the past probably does not approach that which can be achieved with the highly concentrated oil preparations (no data available on this as of yet), but still, oncologists maintain that the plural of anecdote is not evidence! What saddens and disturbs me the most is when I see a patient in consultation with a potentially curable malignancy who is foregoing conventional cancer therapy in hopes that cannabis oil will be a kinder, gentler treatment. The fact remains that there is no evidence at this time to support such a decision.”

Dr. Abrams concludes, “That being said, what we do know is that cannabis is truly an amazing medicine for many cancer and treatment-related side effects — nausea, vomiting, loss of appetite, pain, depression, anxiety, insomnia.”

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It's official.  The Church has come out prohibiting the eating of white bread. From now on,  anyone eating white bread will not be issues a temple recommend.  Because you know the members of the Church could not possibly know that white bread is not as good for your health as wheat bread. Of course you have your agency to obey this new expansion of the WoW.

Would anyone be surprised at such a news article?  

I don't drink wine. I don't drink beer, I don't smoke. I don't vape.  I don't have any tattoos.  I don't have any piercings.  I have only had Chi in foreign countries where it is offered as a gesture of hospitality.  Other than that, I don't drink tea.  I don't shoot heron or snort cocaine.  And guess what.  I made all of those decisions all by myself with no threats of not getting a temple recommend.  

Amazing huh. 

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1 minute ago, california boy said:

It's official.  The Church has come out prohibiting the eating of white bread. From now on,  anyone eating white bread will not be issues a temple recommend.  Because you know the members of the Church could not possibly know that white bread is not as good for your health as wheat bread. Of course you have your agency to obey this new expansion of the WoW.

Would anyone be surprised at such a news article?  

I don't drink wine. I don't drink beer, I don't smoke. I don't vape.  I don't have any tattoos.  I don't have any piercings.  I have only had Chi in foreign countries where it is offered as a gesture of hospitality.  Other than that, I don't drink tea.  I don't shoot heron or snort cocaine.  And guess what.  I made all of those decisions all by myself with no threats of not getting a temple recommend.  

Amazing huh. 

I would be surprised.

As much as I wish members were wise enough to make their own decisions in general we have a few who will run to anything that is not explicitly forbidden because “it cannot be that bad if it is not against the Word of Wisdom”. I literally heard that in church once. I pointed out that chugging Drano was not against the Word of Wisdom, just against Wisdom. I got a dirty look.

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