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I'll give the authors of the study/survey credit for a catchy title.

https://www.sciencealert.com/second-hand-drinking-is-a-massive-problem-that-impacts-millions-of-americans

Alcohol continues to be the deadliest drug (killing about 3x as many people as all the other drugs combined).
It would be an interesting thing if the Church had more public stance about it like we do pornography addiction. Admittedly, fewer members have the problem with alcohol.

(link to the published study https://www.jsad.com/doi/full/10.15288/jsad.2019.80.273)

 

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22 hours ago, Nofear said:

I'll give the authors of the study/survey credit for a catchy title.

https://www.sciencealert.com/second-hand-drinking-is-a-massive-problem-that-impacts-millions-of-americans

Alcohol continues to be the deadliest drug (killing about 3x as many people as all the other drugs combined).
It would be an interesting thing if the Church had more public stance about it like we do pornography addiction. Admittedly, fewer members have the problem with alcohol.

(link to the published study https://www.jsad.com/doi/full/10.15288/jsad.2019.80.273)

 

Oh fer crying out loud. How about second-hand snow boarding?  Or second hand dropping out of high school?

None of us live in a vacuum.  Butterfly effect.  Nothing you do cannot fail to affect me, even if only very very little, and maybe immeasurably, but the effect is still there.  The gravitational pull of the Andromeda galaxy affects me, too, quite apart from the fact that our galaxy will merge with that one in a few billion years.

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In the picture they're drinking root beer for crying out loud🤣

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On 7/30/2019 at 5:57 AM, Nofear said:

I'll give the authors of the study/survey credit for a catchy title.

https://www.sciencealert.com/second-hand-drinking-is-a-massive-problem-that-impacts-millions-of-americans

Alcohol continues to be the deadliest drug (killing about 3x as many people as all the other drugs combined).
It would be an interesting thing if the Church had more public stance about it like we do pornography addiction. Admittedly, fewer members have the problem with alcohol.

(link to the published study https://www.jsad.com/doi/full/10.15288/jsad.2019.80.273)

 

As an aside, we might be surprised to know how many members drink occasionally. 

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45 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

As an aside, we might be surprised to know how many members drink occasionally. 

I don't doubt that. But I also suspect the occasional porn use is more prevalent than the occasional alcohol use (not to imply that you were saying anything to the contrary).

Saw this this morning. Geriatric binge drinking:  https://www.nbcnews.com/health/aging/one-10-older-adults-binge-drinks-increasing-health-risks-n1036091

 

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10 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

As an aside, we might be surprised to know how many members drink occasionally. 

I tried tasting wine once, and then beer on another occasion.  They just didn't taste good at all, so I realized that they must be acquired tastes, with the buzz the objective in mind.  As with smoking, it seemed to me that those acquiring that taste probably began socially (under social pressure from friends), until they were hooked.  Most people who are raised in non-drinking homes likely never get started on those bad habits.  Same for non-smoking homes.  I would surmise that only a very small number of LDS members drink occasionally, and those that do probably came from a drinking environment (perhaps converts from a drinking family).  Why?  No real temptation exists to do so, and there is no social pressure to adopt the habit.  Indeed, those living outside Zion and working among drinkers are often seen as convenient sober drivers after the party is over.  One can easily get a reputation as a non-drinker.

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On 7/31/2019 at 3:52 PM, MustardSeed said:

As an aside, we might be surprised to know how many members drink occasionally. 

My favorite chili recipe involves a bottle of beer.

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I personally am aware of a good number of local church members who drink quietly. No one would believe it if they knew.  

People do things, you know. 

I cringed once in Sunday school when the teacher prefaced his discussion of alcohol by saying “of course no one in this room has an issue with this.”  Pretty ignorant. 

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On 8/1/2019 at 6:40 PM, MustardSeed said:

I personally am aware of a good number of local church members who drink quietly. No one would believe it if they knew.  

People do things, you know. 

I cringed once in Sunday school when the teacher prefaced his discussion of alcohol by saying “of course no one in this room has an issue with this.”  Pretty ignorant. 

I have to wonder just how widespread this is within LDS circles.  I know Utah has issues with porn and substance abuse, as more and more non LDS move in it will be interesting to see what the impact will be.  It's interesting, out here in CO we have lots of transplants complain that CO isn't this wonderful child friendly utopia they thought it was, the legal weed and beer scene doesn't necessery equate to child friendly, far as I can tell it helps increase apathy, kinda funny I think.  Anyway, that stuff does affect communities.  Alcohol scares me, one of the few drugs out there that the withdraw can kill.  Have to wonder what groups like the LDS will do when more and more of their own succumb to the stresses of contemporary life.  People like me have fewer if any children, you guys on the other hand don't thus get more exposure to this stuff.  I know people out there like to think they'll win the religion wars since religious people tend to have more kids, what they forget is not only are the costs higher but the chances of your child being exposed to drugs and alcohol are far greater than they used to be. 

P.S, let me know when you start having kids clambake closets at your ward, after I get up from laughing so hard I fall out of my chair i'll be putting that meeting house on my list of places to visit.

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On 7/31/2019 at 4:07 AM, Stargazer said:

Oh fer crying out loud. How about second-hand snow boarding?  Or second hand dropping out of high school?

None of us live in a vacuum.  Butterfly effect.  Nothing you do cannot fail to affect me, even if only very very little, and maybe immeasurably, but the effect is still there.  The gravitational pull of the Andromeda galaxy affects me, too, quite apart from the fact that our galaxy will merge with that one in a few billion years.

See?  Yet another reason to have our years supply of wheat ready to go....  ;)

 

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I worked a contract with the people in charge of the state lab in Idaho that deals with drug and alcohol testing standards. One of the guys joked that you never invite only one Mormon over because he will drink all your booze but if you invite two neither will touch the stuff. He did not know I was a member until later. At the time some politician in the state legislature had just gotten a DUI and did the whole sob story about it.

Yeah, there is some drinking. I have been tempted. Then I got a prescription to help me cope with life.

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On 7/30/2019 at 6:57 AM, Nofear said:

I'll give the authors of the study/survey credit for a catchy title.

https://www.sciencealert.com/second-hand-drinking-is-a-massive-problem-that-impacts-millions-of-americans

Alcohol continues to be the deadliest drug (killing about 3x as many people as all the other drugs combined).
It would be an interesting thing if the Church had more public stance about it like we do pornography addiction. Admittedly, fewer members have the problem with alcohol.

(link to the published study https://www.jsad.com/doi/full/10.15288/jsad.2019.80.273)

 

More of a public stance?  They already control all of the liquor laws in Utah. 

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15 hours ago, sunstoned said:

More of a public stance?  They already control all of the liquor laws in Utah. 

And? Less than a third of the US Church membership resides in Utah. Nor should advocacy be equated with tyranny of the majority.

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8 hours ago, Nofear said:

And? Less than a third of the US Church membership resides in Utah. Nor should advocacy be equated with tyranny of the majority.

 

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On 8/8/2019 at 10:48 PM, sunstoned said:

More of a public stance?  They already control all of the liquor laws in Utah. 

And they have not enacted state prohibition..........yet.

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On 8/1/2019 at 2:37 AM, Robert F. Smith said:

I tried tasting wine once, and then beer on another occasion.  They just didn't taste good at all, so I realized that they must be acquired tastes, with the buzz the objective in mind.  As with smoking, it seemed to me that those acquiring that taste probably began socially (under social pressure from friends), until they were hooked.  Most people who are raised in non-drinking homes likely never get started on those bad habits.  Same for non-smoking homes.  I would surmise that only a very small number of LDS members drink occasionally, and those that do probably came from a drinking environment (perhaps converts from a drinking family).  Why?  No real temptation exists to do so, and there is no social pressure to adopt the habit.  Indeed, those living outside Zion and working among drinkers are often seen as convenient sober drivers after the party is over.  One can easily get a reputation as a non-drinker.

There are as many flavors of wine as there are wines, same with beers. I don't care for wine particularly, but I do prefer Prosecco, and I don't like most of the beers I've tasted.

My father's father was an abusive alcoholic, and so we grew up under the caution that we may be genetically pre-disposed to alcoholism. So, with that in mind, all eight of us children have had different approaches to drinking. One of my siblings has had difficulty managing drinking and is using AA, and as far as I know the rest of my siblings, who are active members, abstain completely (except for the one who was served liquor-drenched cake on his mission in Japan that one time!)  

I never touched it as an active member, but now I enjoy alcohol occasionally, but I do not drink get get "drunk." The mild buzz is enjoyable.  

My sister prefers one kind of red, and she and her husband drink for enjoyment on occasion. Her husband has never been a member of the church and he absolutely loves beer, but does not drink it anymore, because he loves beer too much. My oldest brother has tracked his sleep cycles with drinking, and he feels like a smashing dose of spirits once a month, in the safety of his own home, helps him reboot his sleep. 

I have five teenagers now, and I use the occasion when I drink to also model responsible drinking to them. I do not want them to be caught in a cycle of alcohol abuse, and I think that, especially coming from a teetotaller mindset can tend to a binaried thinking regrding drinking. I want them to learn that moderate drinking can be possible and what moderation looks like. Hopefully that will give them tools to manage substance use, and to be able to recognise when using a substance is beyond manageability and safety.

That said, my favorite substance to "use" the sunshine! It is a cheeky one here in Scotland!

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