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Missionary sent home for "sextortion" crimes

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This is one young man that has a lot of repenting to do. How sick! The predators are really good liars...how else would he be allowed to serve. Sad. https://www.sltrib.com/news/2019/07/02/utah-man-faces-charged/

"According to court documents, the Utah Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force began investigating Gilbert in August 2018 when a 15-year-old girl reported that another Snapchat user “threatened to Photoshop images of her face onto nude photos unless she sent real nude pictures of herself.” When she refused, he told her she had one minute to comply or he would “expose” her.

Special Agent Sarah Lundquist with the Utah Attorney General’s Office wrote, “When I examined the results of the search warrant from Snapchat it was obvious the user had been engaging in very similar behavior with other underage girls. I identified well over 50 potential victims of this type of sexual extortion.” ...

Gilbert made similar threats to a 15-year-old girl in December 2017; to a girl from 14 to 16 in May 2018; to a 14-year-old girl in June 2018; to a 17-year-old girl in June 2018; and a 15-year-old girl in July 2018. In several cases, he threatened to “send rapists and human traffickers” to the girls’ homes.

According to the charging document, “Chat logs showed the following messages … 'I hope your house has good security … I’m sending out your location and username … to as many creeps on the web as I can find.'”

I am editing to add this paragraph because it has the information that he was a missionary when these accusations came to light and the investigation began. 

"In March, agents went to Gilbert’s home and were told by his parents that he had left on a mission for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Mexico the previous October. According to Lundquist, she was contacted by an attorney for the church on April 3; he told her that Gilbert’s mother had contacted her son’s mission president, who interviewed him. “What Gabe said was not disclosed, but he was immediately sent home,” she wrote."

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This is a sexual predator and an extraordinary manipulator of others for personal gratification.  I know it is harsh, but my father used to say things that today would be outlandish. For such an individual, he would say, "You take a fellow like that out to the wood house (a shack where you chop wood) and you use the chopping stump to nail his "member". Then you exit the wood house and light the outside of it on fire and allow him to make a choice. 

I have no pity for these types of individuals. I am not supportive of public executions, but I support abrupt, immediate cessation of anything and everything that may cause this young man to have any degree of sexual attraction. 

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😠 The mom trying to hide him from the police. That figures! 

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52 minutes ago, MorningStar said:

😠 The mom trying to hide him from the police. That figures! 

That's horrible and I hope she gets into legal trouble as well.   That makes me so mad!

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I wonder if she misinterpreted a lawyer advising say nothing to the police if he isn't present.  Or if her son persuaded her he was being framed by police, that it was someone else but he makes an easy target for some reason.  I can imagine many moms grasping desperately at any explanation besides "my son's a monster".  The wanting nude pictures and pushing for them...that might be immaturity, but the extreme threats, that is true perversion and sickness.  It is very easy for me to imagine that young man taking the next step taking it face to face and beating or raping a young woman.

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Given he used threats of violence to coerce the girls, I hope he gets excommunicated as soon as allowed.  There is no excuse for that, nothing even close to consensual.  Anyone know what restrictions, if any, are in place if legal investigation is involved?

That many victims...would not be surprised if sociopath.

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1 hour ago, MorningStar said:

😠 The mom trying to hide him from the police. That figures! 

And I hope she's charged with Obstruction of Justice ... but I guess I'm just mean that way! :angry: 

P.S.: I see Bluebell beat me to it.  Good call! :good: 

P.P.S.:  Some people are reaaaaallly good at compartmentalizing.  The mind boggles. :crazy: 

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21 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said:

And I hope she's charged with Obstruction of Justice ... but I guess I'm just mean that way! :angry: 

P.S.: I see Bluebell beat me to it.  Good call! :good: 

P.P.S.:  Some people are reaaaaallly good at compartmentalizing.  The mind boggles. :crazy: 

She is certainly not helping her son. 

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If I were a betting man, I would bet that any judge worth his or her salt, before sentencing this young man, orders a psychos*xual evaluation, and I would be interested in seeing at least the broad strokes of the results of that evaluation.

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6 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said:

If I were a betting man, I would bet that any judge worth his or her salt, before sentencing this young man, orders a psychos*xual evaluation, and I would be interested in seeing at least the broad strokes of the results of that evaluation.

Can they order such evaluations to predict possible future danger to society and adjust sentencing based on that?  Just curious. 

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6 hours ago, Calm said:

I wonder if she misinterpreted a lawyer advising say nothing to the police if he isn't present.  Or if her son persuaded her he was being framed by police, that it was someone else but he makes an easy target for some reason.  I can imagine many moms grasping desperately at any explanation besides "my son's a monster".  The wanting nude pictures and pushing for them...that might be immaturity, but the extreme threats, that is true perversion and sickness.  It is very easy for me to imagine that young man taking the next step taking it face to face and beating or raping a young woman.

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Given he used threats of violence to coerce the girls, I hope he gets excommunicated as soon as allowed.  There is no excuse for that, nothing even close to consensual.  Anyone know what restrictions, if any, are in place if legal investigation is involved?

That many victims...would not be surprised if sociopath.

The church generally does not pursue disciplinary action in cases where there is an investigation or ongoing legal action until it is concluded. This is to prevent church leaders looking into the crime inadvertently interfering or tainting the investigation or trial. It also can possibly make church leaders subject to subpoena which can lead to all kinds of confidentiality issues (though that is less likely in this case). If he ends up in prison the bishop will probably go see him and talk to him. As this crime almost certainly warrants at least consideration of excommunication it will be done at the stake level. As he will probably be incarcerated the council will be held without him being present but he will he invited to send a statement. If action is taken he will be informed by letter.

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The way this is sad scenario is spun by certain groups is curious: Paraphrasing, but I believe it captures the sentiment: How could such a thing happen?! Aren't men supposed to have the spiritual gift of discernment, lol,😡?

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15 hours ago, Calm said:

Can they order such evaluations to predict possible future danger to society and adjust sentencing based on that?  Just curious. 

I welcome contributions from anyone who is more enlightened than I am, but I think that is the very raison d'etre for such evaluations, if by "adjust sentencing," you mean determining the proportion of treatment (and what kind of treatment) should be involved versus the proportion of punishment (incarceration) should be involved, as well as determining the length of any sentence imposed.  The trick is that, often, "treatment-versus-incarceration" seems, largely to be an either-or proposition: He can either be locked up or he can be treated, but oftentimes, it seems that the way the system is set up and/or given the way it works, one cannot receive treatment (and/or cannot receive as much of it as he needs, or cannot receive the kind of treatment he needs) while incarcerated.  (And I'm not saying that to be sympathetic to him: I'm not sympathetic to him ... at all.  But the reality is, if he's simply locked up without addressing the issues he clearly seems to have, no matter how much time he does, when he gets out, he's likely to reoffend.)

As common as "boys'll-be-boys" mischief might be (that might be what his mother is thinking this is; unfortunately, she's quite wrong about that), there seems to be little question that this (with the level of attempted manipulation, the attempt to exert power and control over someone else, to spark fear, and so on) extends well beyond that.  S*xt*ng among eighteen-year-olds, and/or among teenagers?  Pretty common.  "S*xtortion" as a repeated behavior (especially as many counts as he's been charged with)?  Not so much.

P.S.: This seems to have good general information: https://www.csom.org/pubs/cap/2/2_4.htm

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25 minutes ago, Nofear said:

The way this is sad scenario is spun by certain groups is curious: Paraphrasing, but I believe it captures the sentiment: How could such a thing happen?! Aren't men supposed to have the spiritual gift of discernment, lol,😡?

As much as I believe in the gift of discernment, and as much as I've seen it operate in my life and in the lives of leaders with whom I have served, bishops and stake presidents are not accountable when members lie to them.  It is the members who will be held accountable for that, and as frightening as the prospect of explaining to someone else why he lied to a bishop and/or to a stake president might be, it will be infinitely more frightening for one to have to explain to The Lord of the Universe why he did so.  Human, mortal, fallible leaders might be mocked, but God will not be.  

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13 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said:

As much as I believe in the gift of discernment, and as much as I've seen it operate in my life and in the lives of leaders with whom I have served, bishops and stake presidents are not accountable when members lie to them.  It is the members who will be held accountable for that, and as frightening as the prospect of explaining to someone else why he lied to a bishop and/or to a stake president might be, it will be infinitely more frightening for one to have to explain to The Lord of the Universe why he did so.  Human, mortal, fallible leaders might be mocked, but God will not be.  

The lying is all on him. I don’t expect my leaders to be all knowing. 

What happens if a young man is denied “just because.” If there is no confession or evidence what is a Bishop supposed to do. 

Do they deny a recommend based on a spiritual impression and then seek why?

Anyway, the kid has already mastered extreme manipulation and I bet his Bishop and Stake President believed he was a great young man.

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58 minutes ago, bsjkki said:

The lying is all on him. I don’t expect my leaders to be all knowing. 

What happens if a young man is denied “just because.” If there is no confession or evidence what is a Bishop supposed to do. 

Do they deny a recommend based on a spiritual impression and then seek why?

Anyway, the kid has already mastered extreme manipulation and I bet his Bishop and Stake President believed he was a great young man.

I know of bishops and stake presidents that have reported feeling sure someone should not have a temple recommend but there was no reason. Some reported trying to draw it out with more questions but in the end if you find nothing it is on the other person. They also know of people who went unworthily and they had no clue. I am not advanced enough in spiritual things to hazard reasons for why.

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1 hour ago, Kenngo1969 said:

I welcome contributions from anyone who is more enlightened than I am, but I think that is the very raison d'etre for such evaluations, if by "adjust sentencing," you mean determining the proportion of treatment (and what kind of treatment) should be involved versus the proportion of punishment (incarceration) should be involved, as well as determining the length of any sentence imposed.  The trick is that, often, "treatment-versus-incarceration" seems, largely to be an either-or proposition: He can either be locked up or he can be treated, but oftentimes, it seems that the way the system is set up and/or given the way it works, one cannot receive treatment (and/or cannot receive as much of it as he needs, or cannot receive the kind of treatment he needs) while incarcerated.  (And I'm not saying that to be sympathetic to him: I'm not sympathetic to him ... at all.  But the reality is, if he's simply locked up without addressing the issues he clearly seems to have, no matter how much time he does, when he gets out, he's likely to reoffend.)

One of many reasons prison almost never works as a reforming influence and rarely works as a deterrent. The only thing it accomplishes is protecting society from reoffense for the duration of imprisonment. In this case though I will take it and be glad for it.

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9 hours ago, Nofear said:

The way this is sad scenario is spun by certain groups is curious: Paraphrasing, but I believe it captures the sentiment: How could such a thing happen?! Aren't men supposed to have the spiritual gift of discernment, lol,😡?

I suspect many would become upset if bishops and others were to depend solely on inspired suspicions to refuse callings, applications to BYU, temple recommends, performing marriages etc.

Discernment does not usually provide the type of info a detective can use to track down usable evidence to charge someone.  From the way .I have heard it often described there are feelings that something isn't right, sometimes even knowledge of what it is, but not names and places or times.  Thus if when confronted the person doesn't open up and confess (assuming the discernment is real), there is really no action able to be taken besides withholding Church privledges.

Assume in this case the young man was refused a mission by his bishop due to inspiration he wasn't worthy.  And then no victims ever came forward and the kid wised up about consequences and stopped, so no evidence of his wrongdoing ever was known save for his victims and himself.  When confronted by parents or friends about why the young man was deprived of a mission or a temple recommend, does anyone think "I don't know why, but I am inspired that he is not worthy of them" would be acceptable to anyone even though this bishop would be right? 

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On 7/2/2019 at 5:04 PM, bsjkki said:

This is one young man that has a lot of repenting to do. How sick! The predators are really good liars...how else would he be allowed to serve. Sad. https://www.sltrib.com/news/2019/07/02/utah-man-faces-charged/

"According to court documents, the Utah Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force began investigating Gilbert in August 2018 when a 15-year-old girl reported that another Snapchat user “threatened to Photoshop images of her face onto nude photos unless she sent real nude pictures of herself.” When she refused, he told her she had one minute to comply or he would “expose” her.

Special Agent Sarah Lundquist with the Utah Attorney General’s Office wrote, “When I examined the results of the search warrant from Snapchat it was obvious the user had been engaging in very similar behavior with other underage girls. I identified well over 50 potential victims of this type of sexual extortion.” ...

Gilbert made similar threats to a 15-year-old girl in December 2017; to a girl from 14 to 16 in May 2018; to a 14-year-old girl in June 2018; to a 17-year-old girl in June 2018; and a 15-year-old girl in July 2018. In several cases, he threatened to “send rapists and human traffickers” to the girls’ homes.

According to the charging document, “Chat logs showed the following messages … 'I hope your house has good security … I’m sending out your location and username … to as many creeps on the web as I can find.'”

I am editing to add this paragraph because it has the information that he was a missionary when these accusations came to light and the investigation began. 

"In March, agents went to Gilbert’s home and were told by his parents that he had left on a mission for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Mexico the previous October. According to Lundquist, she was contacted by an attorney for the church on April 3; he told her that Gilbert’s mother had contacted her son’s mission president, who interviewed him. “What Gabe said was not disclosed, but he was immediately sent home,” she wrote."

Sorry, but if all this is true, he is not only guilty to solicitation of a minor, guilty to child pornography, but also of terroristic threat of minor children. Forget repentance, he belongs, and will go to prison, and there be subjected to prison justice. Too often, Bishops are always encouraged to get all young men on missions, as well as Stake Presidents. Both just ask the questions, and when they get the right answers,  they don’t pray, and if they do fear something is wrong, they think and hope a mission will strengthen them out. Many young men and women do get straightened out, and truly come unto Christ. But something like this, little if nothing can redeem such a person.

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Papa, what do you think a Bishop should do if he has prayed about it and was inspired that another young man with nothing known against him, who appears to be worthy in all ways but for the Bishop feels inspired he is not worthy to take the sacrament or attend the temple with his friends or go on a mission?

Should he accuse him and then when the young man denies doing anything he hasn’t repented of, still ban him from these activities solely based on his feelings?

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4 hours ago, Bill “Papa” Lee said:

Sorry, but if all this is true, he is not only guilty to solicitation of a minor, guilty to child pornography, but also of terroristic threat of minor children. Forget repentance, he belongs, and will go to prison, and there be subjected to prison justice. Too often, Bishops are always encouraged to get all young men on missions, as well as Stake Presidents. Both just ask the questions, and when they get the right answers,  they don’t pray, and if they do fear something is wrong, they think and hope a mission will strengthen them out. Many young men and women do get straightened out, and truly come unto Christ. But something like this, little if nothing can redeem such a person.

Not terrorism. Terrorism requires a political goal. It is blackmail.

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On 7/2/2019 at 8:10 PM, Calm said:

Can they order such evaluations to predict possible future danger to society and adjust sentencing based on that?  Just curious. 

Of course, and it would be on the judge's desk as part of a presentencing report from investigators.  This guy is an apex predator, and will be all his life.

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On 7/3/2019 at 10:07 AM, bsjkki said:

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What happens if a young man is denied “just because.” If there is no confession or evidence what is a Bishop supposed to do. 

Do they deny a recommend based on a spiritual impression and then seek why?

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All the bishop needs to tell the parents is "The Lord doesn't want him going on a mission at this time."

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18 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

All the bishop needs to tell the parents is "The Lord doesn't want him going on a mission at this time."

And unless he can give a reason, this so rarely happens (I have never heard of it) that even if the parents are devout believers, he runs a real risk of causing significant issues for the family imo. The 

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