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Church series on P*** use, 70 videos

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It seems the Church has created 70 little video interviews on pornography use and the different aspects, I haven't had a chance to look at any of them but they have the Q12 and President Nelson and Oaks speaking on subjects. I guess the Church is still fighting it

 

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5 hours ago, HappyJackWagon said:

In the era of Trump I see P**** I think something else ;)

I have an immediate reaction when the church talks about this subject though, and it's not positive. It seemed to be the most important issue in the world for so many years I really got burned out on 10 talks about p**** every conference so now i just tune them out.

The church teaches it's bad. Got it. I don't need 70 videos about it.

It’s not just a matter of telling us it’s bad. It’s helping people overcome addiction to it. It’s a systemic problem with ripple effects having a devastating impact on families and innocent sufferers. It destroys lives of so many and not just those who engage in it. 

Edited to add: The presence of porn harms the moral fabric of a community, and we need to be about preserving and enhancing conditions that foster righteousness in the community, thus furthering the cause of peace. We have been admonished to do so. 

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Only 70 videos? Seems small considering the millions of pornography videos and pictures out there.

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5 hours ago, Duncan said:

It seems the Church has created 70 little video interviews on pornography use and the different aspects, I haven't had a chance to look at any of them but they have the Q12 and President Nelson and Oaks speaking on subjects. I guess the Church is still fighting it

 

Did he just say "prevent NOT cure?  What exactly was he implying by the statement "not curative"?

 

 

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Do you know what I would like to see?  70 videos for those who have been abused with links to professional therapists, and and legal support for those needing to put abusers in jail.  

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18 minutes ago, changed said:

Did he just say "prevent NOT cure?  What exactly was he implying by the statement "not curative"?

I think he was simply suggesting that the best approach is preventative, rather than waiting to find a cure once it has become a problem.  As the old saying goes, "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."

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20 minutes ago, changed said:

Do you know what I would like to see?  70 videos for those who have been abused with links to professional therapists, and and legal support for those needing to put abusers in jail.  

I couldn't find 70 but I did find 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4YKNK51xPk and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=211KMvwaEKE

They don't have links, though.

 

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6 hours ago, bluebell said:

Other people who are struggling might though. 

Our neighboring stake is have a huge problem right now with YW looking at P. And we have a guy in our ward who was addicted to P. and ended up on a site with underage kids and now is considered a child predator.  Sadly, he’s not unique. 

P. is a hard fight for a lot of people, but most of them really do seem to want to fight it. I’m glad the church has resources for those who are trying to survive the battleground. 

YW or YM?

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You do know that no one is required to watch all 70 videos right?

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2 hours ago, changed said:

Do you know what I would like to see?  70 videos for those who have been abused with links to professional therapists, and and legal support for those needing to put abusers in jail.  

Outrage for the sake of outrage. Porn use is a much more prevalent problem then child abuse in tithe church. And what would these links be? A local therapist who can help if you happen to live nearby? Endorsing national or international organizations? Recommending lawyers?

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4 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Outrage for the sake of outrage. Porn use is a much more prevalent problem then child abuse in tithe church. And what would these links be? A local therapist who can help if you happen to live nearby? Endorsing national or international organizations? Recommending lawyers?

I was going to say that linking to therapists globally would take up so much space!!!!!!!!!! 

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8 hours ago, changed said:

Did he just say "prevent NOT cure?  What exactly was he implying by the statement "not curative"?

He may be accepting the very realistic notion that addictions never really go away.  They stay with you and lurk for a lifetime.  Any 12-step program worthy of the name (and the LDS Church uses 12-step) admits that.  So whether the addiction is to drugs or alcohol, food, gambling, porn, anger (road rage, yelling at kids and spouse), etc., one has always to recognize the possibility of a relapse, and that one should take the challenge one day at a time.  There is no cure.  Just prevention.

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1 hour ago, 10THAmendment said:

YW or YM?

Young women. 

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3 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Young women. 

No, that can't be. Here in Davis County??

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After reading this initial posting in the thread, I looked up some figures posted by others. The ranges are all over the place. This was the first article that popped up on Google.  This statement seemed to be pretty clear there is an addition problem:

"The study claims three out of every 10 men between the ages of 18 and 30 are daily viewers of porn; three percent of women in the same age group purportedly access pornography daily."

 

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2 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Outrage for the sake of outrage. Porn use is a much more prevalent problem then child abuse in tithe church. And what would these links be? A local therapist who can help if you happen to live nearby? Endorsing national or international organizations? Recommending lawyers?

 

For every porn addict there are at least twice as many family members who are being sucked down by them - parents, spouses.  The best way to help an addict is to first support and educate their spouse and their parents.  There should be more support groups and resources for spouses, relatives, and friends of porn addicts than there is for porn addicts.

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2 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

He may be accepting the very realistic notion that addictions never really go away.  They stay with you and lurk for a lifetime.  Any 12-step program worthy of the name (and the LDS Church uses 12-step) admits that.  So whether the addiction is to drugs or alcohol, gambling, porn, anger (road rage, yelling at kids and spouse), etc., one has always to recognize the possibility of a relapse, and that one should take the challenge one day at a time.  There is no cure.  Just prevention.

 

Yup - promise keepers do not actually keep any promises... I would not say "no" cure, perhaps "partial" cure?  They should be honest, and should be much more careful when throwing around statements like - "prevent don't cure" when they are talking to people - young and old - who perhaps are looking for a cure.  

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2 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

He may be accepting the very realistic notion that addictions never really go away.  They stay with you and lurk for a lifetime.  Any 12-step program worthy of the name (and the LDS Church uses 12-step) admits that.  So whether the addiction is to drugs or alcohol, gambling, porn, anger (road rage, yelling at kids and spouse), etc., one has always to recognize the possibility of a relapse, and that one should take the challenge one day at a time.  There is no cure.  Just prevention.

I do not believe this. It is bad medicine. The idea that every form of habitual problem and addiction will somehow last forever and must be actively fought forever is morbid and comes from the 12 step program which encourages perpetual “recovery” which is something of an oxymoron since recovery is supposedly never achieved. Since the program was based on religion it seems to imagine a God who wants to keep you over the barrel for the rest of your life paranoid you are perpetually one missed prayer or support meeting from rock bottom. 20 years after your last drink, hit, or porn clip you need to attend weekly meetings to make sure you stay clean? Really? It seems designed to make sure you never move on.

Of course falling into an addiction again is always possible but the same is true of people who have never been addicted.

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1 hour ago, changed said:

 

For every porn addict there are at least twice as many family members who are being sucked down by them - parents, spouses.  The best way to help an addict is to first support and educate their spouse and their parents.  There should be more support groups and resources for spouses, relatives, and friends of porn addicts than there is for porn addicts.

I disagree. The best way to help an addict is for the addict to want out. Putting the burden on their family members to get educated and “help them” is unfair and rarely works. It could even be argued that the best way to help an unrepentant addict is to let them hit “rock bottom” faster. 

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21 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

I do not believe this. It is bad medicine. The idea that every form of habitual problem and addiction will somehow last forever and must be actively fought forever is morbid and comes from the 12 step program which encourages perpetual “recovery” which is something of an oxymoron since recovery is supposedly never achieved. Since the program was based on religion it seems to imagine a God who wants to keep you over the barrel for the rest of your life paranoid you are perpetually one missed prayer or support meeting from rock bottom. 20 years after your last drink, hit, or porn clip you need to attend weekly meetings to make sure you stay clean? Really? It seems designed to make sure you never move on.

Of course falling into an addiction again is always possible but the same is true of people who have never been addicted.

 

I know someone who went to jail for it, then under house arrest with no internet - years and years, and yes.  They still have problems, even after being physically separated from it for years.  They were suicidal, starved themselves half to death - you would not believe the treatments they have gone through - old and grey - and it is still very much there.  

The reality is, it does not go away.  

For those who decide to stay married to someone like this, don't hope on it changing - don't go through hell every relapse, don't think the temple will cure it (it will not - no amount of praying or fasting will change them) - you have to accept it, and live with it.  ... that, or leave them.  

it will not go away.  

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