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I have never heard of this concern.

The universe and its elements are infinite.

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I also never heard anyone get excited about this. Matter can not be completely destroyed; just changed and God, being all powerful, has the power to bring all the eternally existing molecules back together to reform our bodies into what they were before we died. Don't know how He does it but it will happen. 

Parley P. Pratt said:
"Matter and spirit are of equal duration; both are self-existent, they never began to exist, and they never can be annihilated;. Matter as well as spirit is eternal, uncreated, self existing. However infinite the variety of its changes, forms and shapes; eternity is inscribed in indelible characters on every particle" (HC 4:55).

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1 minute ago, Bob Crockett said:

I have never heard of this concern.

The universe and its elements are infinite.

Yea Brother E=MC2

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Obviously, bodies come from growth pods.

Image result for The matrix body pod

Then, once the bodies mature they move to a larger model pod with digital inputs. which are able to access celestial glory.

Image result for The matrix body pod

 

Like others, I've never heard this topic discussed or any question asked. But it's an interesting question.

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6 minutes ago, bluebell said:

It can be fun to speculate but some people don't want to spend Sunday instruction time speculating.

I am going to run with your theory of resurrection.  In order for restoration only God would need a copy of your DNA at least. And we thought record keeping was dull, who knew?

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Never heard anyone ask the question before, but my family was discussing it just a few days ago. We talked about how it is quite possible that I share body parts with those long dead through bodies decomposing, vegetation growing from them etc. (We visited a castle where enemy bodies were thrown in the moat). Or you have cannibals who obviously now share body parts. So how does one become resurrected if we share some body parts? So our conclusion? We have no idea how it happens  

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3 hours ago, JAHS said:

I also never heard anyone get excited about this. Matter can not be completely destroyed; just changed and God, being all powerful, has the power to bring all the eternally existing molecules back together to reform our bodies into what they were before we died. Don't know how He does it but it will happen. 

Parley P. Pratt said:
"Matter and spirit are of equal duration; both are self-existent, they never began to exist, and they never can be annihilated;. Matter as well as spirit is eternal, uncreated, self existing. However infinite the variety of its changes, forms and shapes; eternity is inscribed in indelible characters on every particle" (HC 4:55).

The physical laws of conservation of mass and energy should make this unsurprising to anybody.

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2 minutes ago, HappyJackWagon said:

Obviously, bodies come from growth pods.

Image result for The matrix body pod

Then, once the bodies mature they move to a larger model pod with digital inputs. which are able to access celestial glory.

Image result for The matrix body pod

 

Like others, I've never heard this topic discussed or any question asked. But it's an interesting question.

Thanks for the pics!

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Just now, Metis_LDS said:

They have already been waiting a long time before the resurrection starts.

That doesn't really matter, they still have more time to wait.

This is from lds.org

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"All people will not be resurrected to the same glory (1 Cor. 15:39–42; D&C 76:89–98), nor will all be resurrected at the same time (1 Cor. 15:22–23; Alma 40:8; D&C 76:64–65, 85; 88:96–102). Many Saints were resurrected after Christ’s Resurrection (Matt. 27:52). The righteous will be resurrected before the wicked and will come forth in the First Resurrection (1 Thes. 4:16); the unrepentant sinners will come forth in the last resurrection (Rev. 20:5–13; D&C 76:85)."

 

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SO yeah a SHOUT to all the really smart Gospel people on the board (you know who you are)  How many resurrection events are there?

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4 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Many Saints were resurrected after Christ’s Resurrection (Matt. 27:52)

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."

Not sure where I heard this but one possible explanation for this scripture from the Jehovah Witnesses using the New World Translation, is that when Christ died there was a great earthquake which caused the bodies of people in the ground to be shaken out of their graves and roll down the hill and into the city where they were seen by many. So they were not really resurrected.

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1 minute ago, JAHS said:

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."

Not sure where I heard this but one possible explanation for this scripture from the Jehovah Witnesses using the New World Translation, is that when Christ died there was a great earthquake which caused the bodies of people in the ground to be shaken out of their graves and roll down the hill and into the city where they were seen by many. So they were not really resurrected.

Are you claiming the First Zombie's.

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1 hour ago, Metis_LDS said:

This is not about me being hard on the members of the Church.  But if you think it is feel free to say so.  So the one thing I have found radioactive to discuss in class or out of class is where will our perfected bodies come from?  All that I know points to God not being a magician.  The perfected bodies will not appear out of nowhere.  Things also seem to point to a limited capacity of supply,  as in multiple resurrections.  So the main point is why do members get excited (not in a good way) when I start to ask about where the bodies are going to come from?

Tree of life is directs element through "physiology", and the tree of knowledge directs data to it through "pollination." The person's spirit, which retains the code or 'spiritual DNA' is blessed through priesthood keys in properly directing how the "fruit" turns out and gets quickened. All this is figurative, of course... :)

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1 minute ago, Metis_LDS said:

Are you claiming the First Zombie's.

😄   Not really. They were still just lifeless bodies. 

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1 hour ago, Metis_LDS said:

This is not about me being hard on the members of the Church.  But if you think it is feel free to say so.  So the one thing I have found radioactive to discuss in class or out of class is where will our perfected bodies come from?  All that I know points to God not being a magician.  The perfected bodies will not appear out of nowhere.  Things also seem to point to a limited capacity of supply,  as in multiple resurrections.  So the main point is why do members get excited (not in a good way) when I start to ask about where the bodies are going to come from?

Well, St Paul rightly calls it a "mystery" (mysterion), so it might be meant to be beyond human ken.  And it happens all at once, for everyone:

1 Cor 15:51-53 "Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep; but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in a twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpetthe trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

Then follows a quotation from Isaiah 25:8 that "Death is swallowed up in victory."  We get a hint of that in the relevant, victorious finale in Turandot's "Nessun Dorma" "None shall sleep."  

 

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Just now, JAHS said:

😄   Not really. They were still just lifeless bodies. 

DARN! we might of had Zombie's in the scriptures.

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22 minutes ago, Metis_LDS said:

A learned man in the Church said to me that there are many resurrections (it is a long time ago I think the number was 7).  If your belief that you will just be restored, then why not restore everyone at once (Done)!  The multiple events suggest a capacity issue, so that the reasons that there are multiple events is that everyone cannot come forth at the same time no matter what.

Why do you feel it suggests a capacity issue? How did you narrow it down to that?

 

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8 minutes ago, JAHS said:

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."

Not sure where I heard this but one possible explanation for this scripture from the Jehovah Witnesses using the New World Translation, is that when Christ died there was a great earthquake which caused the bodies of people in the ground to be shaken out of their graves and roll down the hill and into the city where they were seen by many. So they were not really resurrected.

Our church teaches they were actually resurrected though. 😊

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Just now, Rain said:

Why do you feel it suggests a capacity issue? How did you narrow it down to that?

 

Well just based on logic it could be one explanation of why the events are not all at once. It could also be nothing.

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Parley talks about three general events,  But I think there might be others,  like does the whole city of Enoch being taken up to Heaven count as an event.

Parley P. Pratt

There are three general resurrections revealed to man on the earth; one of these is past, and the other two are future.

The first general resurrection took place in connection with the resurrection of Jesus Christ. This included the Saints and Prophets of both hemispheres, from Adam down to John the Baptist; or, in other words, those who died in Christ before his resurrection.

The second will take place in a few years from the present time, and will be immediately succeeded by the coming of Jesus Christ, in power and great glory, with all his Saints and Angels. This resurrection will include the Former and Latter-day Saints -- all those who have received the Gospel since the former resurrection.

The third and last resurrection will take place more than a thousand years afterwards, and will embrace all the human family not included in the former resurrections or translations.

After man is raised from the dead he will be judged according to his works, and will receive the reward, and be consigned to the sphere, exactly corresponding to his former deeds, and the preparations or qualifications which he possesses. (Key to the Science of Theology, pp.135-136)

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1 hour ago, Metis_LDS said:

But we talk about lots of things we do not have very much information on. 

Agreed. But some things we have so little information about that you can't really have a meaningful discussion in the first place.

All you can do is guess, and what benefit is there to be gained by spending hours on end just speculating about something that is currently unknowable?

 

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If we are free to believe what is not revealed I believe new bodies will be grown for us.

Maybe. Or maybe they will be 3D printed for us using a CP-8150.

Note: CP = Celestial Printer

 

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1 hour ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Well, St Paul rightly calls it a "mystery" (mysterion), so it might be meant to be beyond human ken.  And it happens all at once, for everyone:

1 Cor 15:51-53 "Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep; but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in a twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpetthe trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

Then follows a quotation from Isaiah 25:8 that "Death is swallowed up in victory."  We get a hint of that in the relevant, victorious finale in Turandot's "Nessun Dorma" "None shall sleep."  

 

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53 minutes ago, Metis_LDS said:

Parley talks about three general events,  But I think there might be others,  like does the whole city of Enoch being taken up to Heaven count as an event.

Parley P. Pratt

There are three general resurrections revealed to man on the earth; one of these is past, and the other two are future.

The first general resurrection took place in connection with the resurrection of Jesus Christ. This included the Saints and Prophets of both hemispheres, from Adam down to John the Baptist; or, in other words, those who died in Christ before his resurrection.

The second will take place in a few years from the present time, and will be immediately succeeded by the coming of Jesus Christ, in power and great glory, with all his Saints and Angels. This resurrection will include the Former and Latter-day Saints -- all those who have received the Gospel since the former resurrection.

The third and last resurrection will take place more than a thousand years afterwards, and will embrace all the human family not included in the former resurrections or translations.

After man is raised from the dead he will be judged according to his works, and will receive the reward, and be consigned to the sphere, exactly corresponding to his former deeds, and the preparations or qualifications which he possesses. (Key to the Science of Theology, pp.135-136)

I think the following suggests that just as people are born and die at different times, they are also resurrect at different times (Alma 40:8): “Now whether there is more than one time appointed for men to rise it mattereth not; for all do not die at once [no more than all are not born at once], and this mattereth not; all is as one day with God, and time only is measured unto men.”

1 hour ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Well, St Paul rightly calls it a "mystery" (mysterion), so it might be meant to be beyond human ken.  And it happens all at once, for everyone:

1 Cor 15:51-53 "Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep; but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in a twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpetthe trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

Then follows a quotation from Isaiah 25:8 that "Death is swallowed up in victory."  We get a hint of that in the relevant, victorious finale in Turandot's "Nessun Dorma" "None shall sleep." 

I think Paul is saying that it happens all at once from God's perspective ("all is as one day with God, and time only is measured unto men.”) and that it happens quickly ("In a moment, in a twinkling of an eye") meaning relatively quickly. His "last trumpet" can refer to the one sounding at third / final resurrection when the series of resurrections have been performed, or to the one sounding when we are individually ready to be resurrected, after all options for post-mortal / pre-resurrection advancement have been exhausted. We are also judged at different times, as well as born, reborn, converted, justified, sanctified, dispatched, resurrected, etc.

 

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15 minutes ago, USU78 said:

I prefer:

well I prefer: Louis Armstrong - When The Saints Go Marching In

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3 hours ago, Metis_LDS said:

This is not about me being hard on the members of the Church.  But if you think it is feel free to say so.  So the one thing I have found radioactive to discuss in class or out of class is where will our perfected bodies come from?  All that I know points to God not being a magician.  The perfected bodies will not appear out of nowhere.  Things also seem to point to a limited capacity of supply,  as in multiple resurrections.  So the main point is why do members get excited (not in a good way) when I start to ask about where the bodies are going to come from?

I was pretty sure that the answer to the topic line would be "sex". Glad I was wrong! I personally don't believe we will be resurrected with the same matter our earthly bodies are composed of. If so we will be fighting with other animals and people over the components unless we are resurrected immediately upon death. Our decomposed bodies will be shared with many other life forms through time and space.

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