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32 minutes ago, churchistrue said:

Julie Rowe comes out of that extreme fundamentilistic side of Mormonism characterized by ultra literalism, scripture and Joseph Smith infallibility (or near infallibility), obsessed with end of days, focus on Satan, disdain for secularism and distrust in human progress outside of religion. When you look at the opposite side where the gospel is less certain, scripture is less literal, prophets are clearly fallible, a worldview of seeing Mormonism progressing alongside and in cooperation with the world and secular progress, interest in pragmatic Christian living and shelving all the end of days stuff. I think this is the direction the Church needs to go to become more relevant in a modern world and retain millennials, etc. But you look at how alive and well that fundamentalistic side of things is, and it makes you wonder if it's possible to keep this church all together. I don't envy the job the brethren have, and I pray they have the wisdom and enlightenment from God to figure out how to do it. 

 

I fail to see anything fundamental in what she teaches

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36 minutes ago, churchistrue said:

Julie Rowe comes out of that extreme fundamentilistic side of Mormonism characterized by ultra literalism, scripture and Joseph Smith infallibility (or near infallibility), obsessed with end of days, focus on Satan, disdain for secularism and distrust in human progress outside of religion. 

 

Or she just decided one day it was time for her to move up in the ladder of the LDS social scene and looked around for a primo spot.  Pontius practically wrote a manual for best selling false end time prophets in the Mormon market and lived long enough for it to make it to the top.  "Spencer" wasn't the type to do the speaker route which left a gap begging to be filled...and Julie Rowe somehow managed to adopt the everything but the kitchen sink writing method of Pontius/Spencer sufficient enough to catch some attention, which got Daybell contracting as her publisher and promoter and mentor and I am guessing Rowe was so hungry for attention or respect she did the one thing that guaranteed it...gave relatively precise descriptions and soon to appear predictions of disasters, just the thing to get the juices moving and ramping up the fear/excitement level to have them clamouring for more and emptying the shelves of books, food, ammo, TP...and all that money coming into AVOW... 

Her personal touch though seems as more New Age to me (she even appears to see the witch trials as persecution of the righteous since they are one of her role models of the persecuted) and the whole spirit entourage she has reminds me of ghost stories I have been watching on Asian TV lately.  I think she comes across to many as a more traditional end timer imo because of her extensive borrowing and even plagiarizing from the literature.  Plus from a few things she said, it sounds like she got a lot of instruction on what to write from Daybell, who would want her to cater to his more traditional prepped market.

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2 minutes ago, Avatar4321 said:

I fail to see anything fundamental in what she teaches

She went in a very specific direction out of that general category of fundamentalistic leaning Mormons. The people for which Denver Snuffer appeals are another subset of that. The Heartlanders are also from this category. There are common threads. I'd say at least 20% of my ward has a world view where all this is potentially appealing to them, especially when they see "liberals" in the church attempting to persuade things the other way. My random point is just that I see this as a difficult job to keep this church from fracturing as we face modern issues. 

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21 minutes ago, Avatar4321 said:

If the Savior was there, how was there not love?

His love was only for her and it was more tough love as in "let's beat the crap out of the enemy together" love.  The rest were listening to Lucifer and reading porn and foaming at the mouth and other obvious signs of wickedness and corruption,

The Council had been Infiltrated, after all, along with every other level of the Church as she knew for a certainty because of her legitimate (if she says so herself) gifts, her legitimate mission from the Lord, the legitimate commandments to her to testify to those corrupted.

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To any degree that she may be right; (I do not share her world view)

To ANY degree that she was mistreated (by authority) whether she is right or wrong in her views;

To the degree that she is wrong and facing the consequences of such;

To the degree that she is ill or impaired or in pain;

she deserves our great compassion and mercy and blessing devoid of any mocking.

We've all been there, even if ours are 'different'.

I don't believe most people, including Sister Rowe, are cold and calculating about their plans.  Who they are and what they choose arise out of unique life shaping experiences, and who am I to say?

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3 hours ago, Calm said:

 porn

Unfortunately, this one was the most believable to me, sigh . . .

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4 hours ago, churchistrue said:

Julie Rowe comes out of that extreme fundamentilistic side of Mormonism characterized by ultra literalism, scripture and Joseph Smith infallibility (or near infallibility), obsessed with end of days, focus on Satan, disdain for secularism and distrust in human progress outside of religion. When you look at the opposite side where the gospel is less certain, scripture is less literal, prophets are clearly fallible, a worldview of seeing Mormonism progressing alongside and in cooperation with the world and secular progress, interest in pragmatic Christian living and shelving all the end of days stuff. I think this is the direction the Church needs to go to become more relevant in a modern world and retain millennials, etc. But you look at how alive and well that fundamentalistic side of things is, and it makes you wonder if it's possible to keep this church all together. I don't envy the job the brethren have, and I pray they have the wisdom and enlightenment from God to figure out how to do it. 

 

I think the Brethren will continue to follow revelation from God, which is the only safe course. If the end-of-days fanatics on the extreme right and the “progressive” millennials on the left get upset and leave, more’s the pity for the fanatics and the progressive millennials. Everyone has his or her moral agency. It has ever been so. 

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2 hours ago, let’s roll said:

I invite you to consider that because compulsion has never been a part of God’s plan—it wasn’t in our premortal life, it isn’t in mortality, and it isn’t once we leave mortality—it’s not the job of the brethren to “keep this church all together.”

The brethren, like the Savior, teach correct principles, invite all God’s children to come to know Him and the Christ, and allow all their agency to choose.

There have always been, and will always be, those who choose not to heed the call, until that day when all confess that Jesus is the Christ and that all of God’s judgments are just.  Those confessions will not be the result of compulsion, but rather the result of the undeniable Divinity of God and His Son.

I made my post before I saw yours.  You expressed the same thoughts better than I. 

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3 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

I think the Brethren will continue to follow revelation from God, which is the only safe course. If the end-of-days fanatics on the extreme right and the “progressive” millennials on the left get upset and leave, more’s the pity for the fanatics and the progressive millennials. Everyone has his or her moral agency. It has ever been so. 

I think the lack of compassion or concern on this issue is due to the notion that the will of God is easy to know with certainty by the brethren. God moves prophet's hands like a ouija board. It might work that way, but I think it probably doesn't. I think these issues likely weigh very heavy on the brethren's minds. 

 

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3 hours ago, MorningStar said:

The thought that people could make secret pacts with Satan in the pre-existence without Heavenly Father knowing it - 😂

OK, I shouldn't laugh. But I am. Darn you, Mick Jagger! 

Got the moves like Jagger I suppose

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FYI board members, I know exactly when Christ will return and I will tell you  ……. soon !

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9 hours ago, churchistrue said:

Julie Rowe comes out of that extreme fundamentilistic side of Mormonism characterized by ultra literalism, scripture and Joseph Smith infallibility (or near infallibility), obsessed with end of days, focus on Satan, disdain for secularism and distrust in human progress outside of religion. When you look at the opposite side where the gospel is less certain, scripture is less literal, prophets are clearly fallible, a worldview of seeing Mormonism progressing alongside and in cooperation with the world and secular progress, interest in pragmatic Christian living and shelving all the end of days stuff. I think this is the direction the Church needs to go to become more relevant in a modern world and retain millennials, etc. But you look at how alive and well that fundamentalistic side of things is, and it makes you wonder if it's possible to keep this church all together. I don't envy the job the brethren have, and I pray they have the wisdom and enlightenment from God to figure out how to do it. 

 

9 hours ago, churchistrue said:

She went in a very specific direction out of that general category of fundamentalistic leaning Mormons. The people for which Denver Snuffer appeals are another subset of that. The Heartlanders are also from this category. There are common threads. I'd say at least 20% of my ward has a world view where all this is potentially appealing to them, especially when they see "liberals" in the church attempting to persuade things the other way. My random point is just that I see this as a difficult job to keep this church from fracturing as we face modern issues. 

Not to worry, Bro.  Most LDS members are very slow to get on board the Crazy Train.  The LDS Church is not at all likely to fracture, nor are the members running to and fro in every direction.   I see a very stable Church of faithful Saints going about their tasks as best they can, and just not buying into the fringe nonsense.

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3 hours ago, churchistrue said:

I think the lack of compassion or concern on this issue is due to the notion that the will of God is easy to know with certainty by the brethren. God moves prophet's hands like a ouija board. It might work that way, but I think it probably doesn't. I think these issues likely weigh very heavy on the brethren's minds. 

 

Contrary to your mocking characterization, the Brethren, acting with compassion, wisdom and experience, work hard to ascertain the will of God, then act accordingly. There will be apostasy — always has been — but it will not mean the Church is falling apart. It will mean just the opposite, as the Church will not be tossed to and fro “with every wind of doctrine,” be the doctrine religious, political or social. 

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6 hours ago, Maidservant said:

To any degree that she may be right; (I do not share her world view)

To ANY degree that she was mistreated (by authority) whether she is right or wrong in her views;

To the degree that she is wrong and facing the consequences of such;

To the degree that she is ill or impaired or in pain;

she deserves our great compassion and mercy and blessing devoid of any mocking.

We've all been there, even if ours are 'different'.

I don't believe most people, including Sister Rowe, are cold and calculating about their plans.  Who they are and what they choose arise out of unique life shaping experiences, and who am I to say?

Yeah, I was probably unnecessarily unkind. Not as much control when low on sleep, though that is no excuse for not caring as much. 

I tend to be less kind to people I see as very unkind and lacking in compassion, which is how I am reading Rowe these days. In the beginning, she seemed more willing to consider others as doing their best unless she saw them as villains, like Obama. 

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1 hour ago, strappinglad said:

FYI board members, I know exactly when Christ will return and I will tell you  ……. soon !

Are you setting up a tent city somewhere?

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6 minutes ago, Calm said:

Yeah, I was probably unnecessarily unkind. Not as much control when low on sleep, though that is no excuse for not caring as much. 

I tend to be less kind to people I see as very unkind and lacking in compassion, which is how I am reading Rowe these days. In the beginning, she seemed more willing to consider others as doing their best unless she saw them as villains, like Obama. 

I have listened to a couple of her podcasts and although I think she really believes in what she is saying, it is my opinion that she is in need of some serious psychological help. But I suppose some would have said the same thing about Joseph Smith.  She seems to be teaching false doctrines and not just as opinions, but as things that she believes are facts; the kind of stuff that only actual ordained prophets of God would be authorized to declare. 

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3 hours ago, churchistrue said:

I think the lack of compassion or concern on this issue

Could you explain what you mean by lack of compassion or concern, please.

Most members I know are highly concerned about those who take things to extremes. Almost everyone (in or out of the church now I think of it) I know has at least one family member like that and are well aware of how extremes have the potential to destroy families, traumatize kids by teaching them the world is a fearful, dangerous place, etc.  Many may be angry at the self proclaimed prophet or get rich quick guru or political messiah because they see them as the creator of the problems rather than the vehicle of choice for fears, etc. 

It is understandable imo that many dislike Rowe because she encourages foolhardy and contentious behaviour, pushes her followers to be more and more devoted, sacrificing their welfare, their relationships for hers.  She has left their parents financially insecure in their senior years or they get look towards their own future as now filled with uncertainty and wondering if their family will even be intact. 

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2 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

Are you setting up a tent city somewhere?

Sounds like he wants you to start a clock, Lloyd.

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3 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

Are you setting up a tent city somewhere?

Perhaps if you look at my post again you will see what I did.

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30 minutes ago, strappinglad said:

Perhaps if you look at my post again you will see what I did.

Oh, you mean you’re citing scripture. 

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20 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Sounds like he wants you to start a clock, Lloyd.

I have one running now on Ocasio-Cortez’s 12-year doomsday forecast. There are now 11 years, 10 months and four days left from the time I started the clock. And I waited a few weeks before I started it. 

Of course, she’s now saying she was only joking and that people just don’t get her dry humor and sarcasm. I’ll confess that hysterical alarmism doesn’t really come across to me as dry humor. 

Ah well, perhaps Brian Wilson said it best: I guess I just wasn’t made for these times. 

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7 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

I have one running now on Ocasio-Cortez’s 12-year doomsday forecast. There are now 11 years, 10 months and four days left from the time I started the clock. And I waited a few weeks before I started it. 

Of course, she’s now saying she was only joking and that people just don’t get her dry humor. I’ll confess that hysterical alarmism doesn’t really come across to me as dry humor. 

Ah well, perhaps Brian Wilson said it best: I guess I just wasn’t made for these times. 

Yes, but re Brian Wilson, where would we be without him?

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