Julie Rowe rumor

[Avatar4321]

Heard a rumor that she was excommunicated. I cant find anything confirming it. Have any of you heard anything?

[LoudmouthMormon]

Who?

 

[googles]

 

Ah.  *snort*

[The Nehor]

She is still a thing?

[Calm]

Not anything last I checked a month or so ago.

I wouldn't be the least surprised, last year she was really ramping up her own role and creating a whole new leadership structure outside current leadership (where she would be playing a key role) for the last days.  

From the ldsfreedom forum, looks like she was excommunicated last month.  While I feel sad for her and wished she had taken a different path, I felt worse for those who were sucked in by her drama and sold their homes and emptied their savings because of her constant claims the end was here (and than she would retract her claims and blame others saying they put words in her month), so I think it is wisdom for her leaders to draw this line (I am assuming it is for teaching false doctrine or priestcraft).

Edited May 27, 2019 by Calm

[Calm]

Oh man, she rambles...looks like it happened, but I couldn't last to where she specifically says it happen...she has known it was going to happen for at least a year because she saw it in a vision.  

Given her past blaming of others by rewriting what actually happened, I don't see much reason to trust her account, but rest assured it is always someone else's fault.

Looks like she is making quite a bit of money from her energy work, though she says her books aren't selling well.

The excommunicated stuff starts around 20 minutes:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=iEPl8t1XnKw

Finished listening (goes to close to timestamp 35 minutes)

Excommunicated for apostasy, teaching false doctrine, priestcraft, and defaming the name of church leadership according to Rowe.

She specifies as false doctrine the multiple mortal probations (reincarnation, she herself was Joan of Arc among others) and her energy work (from what she says I am guessing the problem was her getting paid for what the stake President saw as a religious action---prayer and casting out of demons).

She is taking in about a 100$ per hour for in person classes (don't know how many people in a class, no refunds for cancelations for any reason apparently) and 130$ per hour for a personal phone session, $40 for 30 minutes for a group session.  She went to Hawaii last month to teach classes.

Edited May 27, 2019 by Calm

[Calm]

At 35:30, she essentially labels herself as the Lord's Anointed and talks about an individual's death due to speaking against her...though she won't pinpoint who it is (this covers her if her SP doesn't die soon enough) she has had visions about all the evilspeakers up to seventies and maybe apostles and their dooms.

She talks about premortal memories along with the visions that inform her about these men...which would suggest she has a different view of agency, that they were destined to condemn her...or she could just be throwing stuff out there without really trying to make it logical.  She goes on to accuse the people at her council of having porn or mental illness problems because she can see it.

She claims a "huge percentage" of the Seventies and 12 will apostasize...(me adding my impression of what she is saying:  'if they haven't already by having her excommunicated').  And two apostles will come to her in Idaho (she is then living up there) to ask her for forgiveness on the behalf of the Church.

BYUIdaho becomes the new church headquarters.

Edited May 27, 2019 by Calm

[ttribe]

She's a delusional nutcase.  She needs mental health treatment, more than anything else.

[strappinglad]

And they say there is no such thing as " being possessed " , or was that obsessed ? 

[MorningStar]

Hope she's correctly diagnosed and treated soon. 

[Calm]

I listened to the beginning, .she states Joseph Smith is listening to the podcast "right now" and she ends her recitation about the council by telling of the visions she was sent over and over again to prepare her for her excommunication, which were primarily four...the witch trials, Joan of Arc, Joseph Smith's sufferings, and Jesus' trial before the Sanhedrin.

 

[Calm]

1 hour ago, ttribe said:

She's a delusional nutcase.  S

Amen! BYU Idaho church headquarters?!?

[Avatar4321]

8 hours ago, Calm said:

Amen! BYU Idaho church headquarters?!?

It's more probable than say Nigeria but if headquarters moves anywhere again I think independence is the spot

[Calm]

I am not following her stuff that much (spend a few days every 6 months or so), but I am guessing Idaho is a temporary switch after all the destruction in Salt Lake.  She was talking about people heading out from there and going to her current home in Missouri as a safe house...so I am not sure where she is supposed to be.

[Avatar4321]

29 minutes ago, Calm said:

I am not following her stuff that much (spend a few days every 6 months or so), but I am guessing Idaho is a temporary switch after all the destruction in Salt Lake.  She was talking about people heading out from there and going to her current home in Missouri as a safe house...so I am not sure where she is supposed to be.

All we can do is pray for her

[Tacenda]

10 hours ago, Calm said:

At 35:30, she essentially labels herself as the Lord's Anointed and talks about an individual's death due to speaking against her...though she won't pinpoint who it is (this covers her if her SP doesn't die soon enough) she has had visions about all the evilspeakers up to seventies and maybe apostles and their dooms.

She talks about premortal memories along with the visions that inform her about these men...which would suggest she has a different view of agency, that they were destined to condemn her...or she could just be throwing stuff out there without really trying to make it logical.  She goes on to accuse the people at her council of having porn or mental illness problems because she can see it.

She claims a "huge percentage" of the Seventies and 12 will apostasize...(me adding my impression of what she is saying:  'if they haven't already by having her excommunicated').  And two apostles will come to her in Idaho (she is then living up there) to ask her for forgiveness on the behalf of the Church.

BYUIdaho becomes the new church headquarters.

🤣

[JAHS]

From the podcast explaining the excommunication court she said:
"There was no fairness there was no love there was no listening.
It was bullying, yelling, accusations, the great accuser was whispering in that man's ears.
Lucifer's in there and he's whispering what to say to the stake president
and I have the gift to see, right? And then on my side of the room is the Lord and
the savior is standing next to me and at different times I would feel him put his hand on my right shoulder.

She may think she can do all these things but Her arrogant and prideful attitude sort of invalidates her claim for a divine source for her "gifts"
 

[JAHS]

Here's another jewel from another recent podcast:
"Everyone who came to earth that wanted a body basically supported God's plan to come to earth that is correct
However there were those that conspired with the adversary made contracts and pacts so they could get bodies
so they cold come and serve as opposition. what that means is not everyone that actually came to earth did so
honestly and fully supporting the plan, there were fence sitters, double agents.  
They were promised certain things by satan if they would do this including aspiring into darker powers and dominions
So you got Putin, Mick Jagger...."

Wouldn't this qualify as false doctrine?

[Thinking]

I'll make sure I don't invite her to Thanksgiving dinner. She would probably show up and declare that all the preparations were in error, then try to take over. After being asked to leave, she wold claim persecution and try to convince our guests to join her at Golden Corral where they would pay for her meal.

[Anijen]

Just now, Thinking said:

I'll make sure I don't invite her to Thanksgiving dinner. She would probably show up and declare that all the preparations were in error, then try to take over. After being asked to leave, she wold claim persecution and try to convince our guests to join her at Golden Corral where they would pay for her meal.

I like the weirdos at thanksgiving (or reunions...). It makes a relatively boring time fun. Wow, my family has some  real nuts in it it, ain't that cool...

[juliann]

4 minutes ago, JAHS said:

 
They were promised certain things by satan if they would do this including aspiring into darker powers and dominions
So you got Putin, Mick Jagger...."

Wouldn't this qualify as false doctrine?

Mick Jagger? With all the life coaches out there, surely there is one who specializes in working out less comical conspiracy theories....

What a shame it has come to this for her.

[Calm]

14 minutes ago, JAHS said:

Here's another jewel from another recent podcast:
"Everyone who came to earth that wanted a body basically supported God's plan to come to earth that is correct
However there were those that conspired with the adversary made contracts and pacts so they could get bodies
so they cold come and serve as opposition. what that means is not everyone that actually came to earth did so
honestly and fully supporting the plan, there were fence sitters, double agents.  
They were promised certain things by satan if they would do this including aspiring into darker powers and dominions
So you got Putin, Mick Jagger...."

Wouldn't this qualify as false doctrine?

Yes... it is totally false that Mick Jagger would ever need to make a contract for power with anyone, he being fully capable of achieving total dominion on his own.

(Seriously, Mick Jagger is plopped next to Putin as two of Satan's ultimate allies?  Bet she got that idea from that conversation on an airplane talk for a safe to label "bad, bad man!"...lol.  She is not that original, just puts a personal touch to it as in Joseph Smith was listening to her podcast right then!...guess they have celestial iPhones...or maybe he is more IPad).

Edited May 27, 2019 by Calm

[churchistrue]

Julie Rowe comes out of that extreme fundamentilistic side of Mormonism characterized by ultra literalism, scripture and Joseph Smith infallibility (or near infallibility), obsessed with end of days, focus on Satan, disdain for secularism and distrust in human progress outside of religion. When you look at the opposite side where the gospel is less certain, scripture is less literal, prophets are clearly fallible, a worldview of seeing Mormonism progressing alongside and in cooperation with the world and secular progress, interest in pragmatic Christian living and shelving all the end of days stuff. I think this is the direction the Church needs to go to become more relevant in a modern world and retain millennials, etc. But you look at how alive and well that fundamentalistic side of things is, and it makes you wonder if it's possible to keep this church all together. I don't envy the job the brethren have, and I pray they have the wisdom and enlightenment from God to figure out how to do it. 

 

[Calm]

Brigham Young denounced the fence sitter claim, iirc.  And plenty of leaders have taught we all shouted for joy.  Sounds like full commitment to .God's plan there.

She makes it sound like power hungry BFFs of Satan somehow deceived God into giving them a pass on their first estate, cheating their way into mortality after making pinky promises with Satan where they would takeover the world!

Edited May 27, 2019 by Calm

[Avatar4321]

1 hour ago, JAHS said:

From the podcast explaining the excommunication court she said:
"There was no fairness there was no love there was no listening.
It was bullying, yelling, accusations, the great accuser was whispering in that man's ears.
Lucifer's in there and he's whispering what to say to the stake president
and I have the gift to see, right? And then on my side of the room is the Lord and
the savior is standing next to me and at different times I would feel him put his hand on my right shoulder.

She may think she can do all these things but Her arrogant and prideful attitude sort of invalidates her claim for a divine source for her "gifts"
 

If the Savior was there, how was there not love?

[bluebell]

44 minutes ago, JAHS said:

Here's another jewel from another recent podcast:
"Everyone who came to earth that wanted a body basically supported God's plan to come to earth that is correct
However there were those that conspired with the adversary made contracts and pacts so they could get bodies
so they cold come and serve as opposition. what that means is not everyone that actually came to earth did so
honestly and fully supporting the plan, there were fence sitters, double agents.  
They were promised certain things by satan if they would do this including aspiring into darker powers and dominions
So you got Putin, Mick Jagger...."

Wouldn't this qualify as false doctrine?

This was one of the plot twists of one of the Tennis Among the Nephites books that was written in the mid 1990s.