Maestrophil Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) I just got a news notification on my phone that the church has just announced it is allowing the baptism of children of LGBTQ people. What repercussions will this have? Will there be those who return to the church now? I wonder if it is a d$%ned if you do d#$ned if you don't proposition. Edited to add link: https://www.ksl.com/article/46524616/church-to-allow-baptisms-blessings-for-children-of-lgbt-parents-updates-handbook-regarding-apostasy Edited April 4, 2019 by Maestrophil 3 Link to comment
Rock_N_Roll Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 This just popped up on my feed from KSL.com "Church to allow baptisms, blessings for children of LGBT parents, updates handbook regarding 'apostasy'. https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900063943/church-lgbt-gay-lesbian-policy-mormon-baptisms-blessings-apostasy.html 1 Link to comment
Rock_N_Roll Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Looks like Maestrophil beat me to it by two minutes. 😆 Link to comment
SouthernMo Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Maestrophil said: I just got a news notification on my phone that the church has just announced it is allowing the baptism of children of LGBTQ people. What repercussions will this have? Will there be those who return to the church now? I wonder if it is a d$%ned if you do d#$ned if you don't proposition. Edited to add link: https://www.ksl.com/article/46524616/church-to-allow-baptisms-blessings-for-children-of-lgbt-parents-updates-handbook-regarding-apostasy It’s a good question. Will this help the organization because it is more aligned with love and what many members want? Or, will it signal the weakness of the leaders by kowtowing to a vocal minority? Link to comment
Popular Post JLHPROF Posted April 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2019 So much for the revelation that created the ban just a couple of years ago. 16 Link to comment
Popular Post CA Steve Posted April 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2019 That has to be a record or something for the shortest duration revelation/policy. 13 Link to comment
Popular Post SeekingUnderstanding Posted April 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Maestrophil said: I wonder if it is a d$%ned if you do d#$ned if you don't proposition. Given that President Nelson claimed revelation for the November policy, then yes this describes it. The church made its bed, now it has to lie in it Edited April 4, 2019 by SeekingUnderstanding 7 Link to comment
Popular Post ALarson Posted April 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, CA Steve said: That has to be a record or something for the shortest duration revelation/policy. Which it should have been and I honestly did not expect to see it this soon. Good for our current leaders for making this very positive change! Many members have been praying for this to take place. Quote Children of parents who identify themselves as lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender may now be blessed as infants and later baptized as members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, according to updates announced Thursday to November 2015 church policies intended at the time to maintain family harmony but perceived as painful among some supporters of the LGBT community. The church also will update its handbook of instructions for leaders to remove the label of apostasy for homosexual behavior that also was applied in November 2015, said President Dallin H. Oaks, first counselor in the First Presidency, who announced the changes on behalf of the First Presidency on Thursday morning during the leadership session of the church’s 189th Annual General Conference. Wonderful!!! Edited April 4, 2019 by ALarson 7 Link to comment
Popular Post Rock_N_Roll Posted April 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2019 I was never on board with it being a revelation in the first place. Just never felt right. 9 Link to comment
stemelbow Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 That's great. But wow. Really, all the talk since the change was implemented was as empty, and wrong-headed as ever. Revelation? Of course not. We all knew it. To protect families? Of course not We all knew it. Link to comment
Popular Post Gray Posted April 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2019 This is great news! A very wise reversal of a wrong-headed and incoherent policy. 17 Link to comment
The Nehor Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Looks like it served its purpose and can go away now. 2 Link to comment
alter idem Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 14 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: So much for the revelation that created the ban just a couple of years ago. Where was it promoted as a 'revelation'? I never heard any leader call it a 'revelation', just you. We have lots of things in the church that are policies and practices and they are often changed and modified. 2 Link to comment
Popular Post SeekingUnderstanding Posted April 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2019 1 minute ago, The Nehor said: Looks like it served its purpose and can go away now. What purpose exactly? 6 Link to comment
Popular Post Gray Posted April 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2019 Just now, The Nehor said: Looks like it served its purpose and can go away now. The purpose being to teach us once again that church leaders are as fallible as the rest of us. 10 Link to comment
Popular Post hope_for_things Posted April 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2019 18 minutes ago, Maestrophil said: I just got a news notification on my phone that the church has just announced it is allowing the baptism of children of LGBTQ people. What repercussions will this have? Will there be those who return to the church now? I wonder if it is a d$%ned if you do d#$ned if you don't proposition. Edited to add link: https://www.ksl.com/article/46524616/church-to-allow-baptisms-blessings-for-children-of-lgbt-parents-updates-handbook-regarding-apostasy Wow! What a flood of emotions. My first response, is YES YES YES!! I knew these policies could not stand long term. Love and goodness wins a victory today. Thank you to all those who fought against this shameful policy! Your voice has been heard and hearts were softened. Quote In addition, our members' efforts to show more understanding, compassion and love should increase respect and understanding among all people of good will. We want to reduce the hate and contention so common today. We are optimistic that a majority of people — whatever their beliefs and orientations — long for better understanding and less contentious communications. That is surely our desire, and we seek the help of our members and others to attain it. This quote from Oaks is the money quote. It actually sounds consistent with a Christian ethic, which is so nice. This quote could even operate as an foundational principle statement that should guide our actions on a multitude of issues. YES YES!!! So happy for this moment. I'm going to let this first comment be completely positive and represent my happy reaction to the news. 11 Link to comment
Gray Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Just now, alter idem said: Where was it promoted as a 'revelation'? I never heard any leader call it a 'revelation', just you. We have lots of things in the church that are policies and practices and they are often changed and modified. President Nelson referred to it that way (while President Monson was still alive) 2 Link to comment
SeekingUnderstanding Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 1 minute ago, alter idem said: Where was it promoted as a 'revelation'? I never heard any leader call it a 'revelation', just you. We have lots of things in the church that are policies and practices and they are often changed and modified. https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/president-nelson-handbook-change 2 Link to comment
The Nehor Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Just now, SeekingUnderstanding said: What purpose exactly? I only have suspicions and sharing them would probably just offend people and I think I am already over quota on that for this quarter. 2 Link to comment
ALarson Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, alter idem said: Where was it promoted as a 'revelation'? I never heard any leader call it a 'revelation', just you. Only Russell M. Nelson called it a "revelation". The then current Prophet (Thomas S. Monson) never spoke of this new policy publicly to members (as far as I know)....we did not hear from him regarding anything about it. It always felt odd to me too. Edited April 4, 2019 by ALarson 2 Link to comment
The Nehor Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Gray said: The purpose being to teach us once again that church leaders are as fallible as the rest of us. Not what I was thinking but it is literally a damned interpretation. Link to comment
LoudmouthMormon Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Quote While we still consider such a marriage to be a serious transgression, it will not be treated as apostasy for purposes of Church discipline. Instead, the immoral conduct in heterosexual or homosexual relationships will be treated in the same way. Does anyone understand what that second sentence means? Talk about a change, then say "instead", and talk about something happening the same way? Hopefully I'm just dumb and having a hard time reading... Link to comment
provoman Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 "The question is this: Which is the wisest course for the Latter-day Saints to pursue..." 2 Link to comment
stemelbow Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Gray said: The purpose being to teach us once again that church leaders are as fallible as the rest of us. Don't you mean more fallible than the rest of us? I mean many of us knew it was a stupid idea...How could they not have seen it? It seems like emotion and reaction got in the way. But then again it was called a revelation too. Link to comment
The Nehor Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, LoudmouthMormon said: Does anyone understand what that second sentence means? Talk about a change, then say "instead", and talk about something happening the same way? Hopefully I'm just dumb and having a hard time reading... Homosexual relations are now a morality issue and not also an apostasy issue. Both are still subject to church discipline. Edited April 4, 2019 by The Nehor 3 Link to comment
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