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Should Illegal Aliens be able to get temple recommends?
The question came up in another website with an interesting answer. I responded to it but it was not published. The gist of the sites response was that if the were paying taxes and supporting a family is was OK, if they were a murder it was not. My response was as follows;
A good tactic (website), show and discuss families (who doesn't like families) & then drug dealers/murders (who does like these folks). Polarize us a little more and obscure the discussion. What about children sent here alone? What about teenagers that just rebel and want to get away? What about those that just want to make more money? My ancestors came here as immigrants, the legal way. Wasn't easy, but they did it. Is supporting a family honorable - yes, is it doing it illegally honorable - ???? Changing your conditions where you are and/or the government you live under is not always easy but it can be done as our and other countries histories have shown and benefits everyone, not just yourself.. "Elder Monson, we’ve watched you for 20 years, and we’ve learned we can trust you and your Church because you and your Church teach your members to obey the laws of the land.’” (emphasis added) cited in Examples of Great Teachers,” Liahona, June 2007, 74–80, "the fact that the vast majority of illegal aliens commit multiple job-related felonies, including document/Social Security fraud, perjury on I-9 forms, and, in many cases, identity theft that victimizes an estimated 50,000 Utah children and their families. cited in "Illegal, but Not Undocumented: Identity Theft, Document Fraud and Illegal Employment,” Ronald Mortensen, PhD. I personally have known someone who had their identity stolen. He worked in Washington state and the thief worked in Florida. He could not buy a house, I believe, because his debt load was too great. And why was it too great, because the thief had racked up large charge card bills. If the thief would have defaulted, whom would the police go after? HIM. He had to fly to Florida and prove who he was and then the thief got arrested. I never knew what became of the house buying. The United States and the Church try to fix the problem by giving aid (money, job training, distance education, etc) (and yes I donate to these programs) to the home countries and the church members their. The home country church members need to change their local conditions just like we try to change ours. Obey the law. don't like it, change it. Change can be hard and long but has more lasting effects than running away from problems.
So for a person to be a contributing member of society, pay taxes, ect. they have to have a SSN. That was the case in the example I cited above with the house. I have read the responses in another blog in 2011 on this issue but the responses seem to be fairly standard, one camp or the other.
1. I wonder about my response to the other website. I don't believe I was critical or demeaning or offensive. The opening statement was a bit harsh, yet this is what I see time and again on issues that people disagree on and I am a bit peeved on the use of these tactics instead of a balanced look. Certainly you can have an agenda and promote your sites ideas, but you should be willing to have civil disagreements. People come to these sites to get knowledge to decide for themselves. If all they see are one sided opinions, how shocking will it be when they learn something different. Sites like this one and the other ones, should encourage open, frank debate. If you think the 12 didn't debate, look at George Q Cannon's journal. A real eye opener. I am probably not 100% right but then neither 100% wrong. If i am wrong in any of my sources, I apologize and will make corrections.
2. Should the illegal alien be able to get a temple recommend after the Bishop and Stake President have interviewed them and received revelation during the interview (they are entitled to that revelation) that they are not dealing honestly with their fellow man?
By Mystery Meat
As an attorney, I spend my day dealing with nuance and subjectivity. Perhaps, few words are more subjective in the commandments of God, then the word sparingly when it comes to the consumption of meat. I would be curious to know how each of you treat this part of the Word of Wisdom. It has been on my mind as of late and I feel like a change is in order in my life.
Note: this thread is not the place to discuss the Word of Wisdom as a commandment, the love of animals, or what science has to say about anything. If you can't stay on topic, you will be removed.
From the article:
"There’s one more factor that should influence a lot of people in southern Utah. I like to give credit where credit is due. I’m not LDS (and I’m not trying to push any religious doctrine) but the Mormons say not to eat meat, or at least their scripture does, and they have actually had this one right for almost 200 years. Section 89 of the Doctrine and Covenants, one of the sacred works of the Mormons, reads almost like a tract from PeTA."
What do you think?