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2 minutes ago, Ryan Dahle said:

BMC only collected a few items. We were in the process of extracting them, but then the domain name unexpectedly expired. 

Domains don't unexpectedly expire.  It's not like half-life of a radioactive element, when you can't know in advance which atoms are going to decay.

So, who is the admin contact?  Do you not have one?

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25 minutes ago, RevTestament said:

And no, I'm not talking about the British Masters Athletic Foundation....

It seems their domain has expired, and there is no forwarding. Does anyone know if the papers/articles are available through the MI or any other foundation on the web?

I just checked and the domain is not expired.

If you're thinking of bookofmormongeography.org

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5 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

Domains don't unexpectedly expire.  It's not like half-life of a radioactive element, when you can't know in advance which atoms are going to decay.

So, who is the admin contact?  Do you not have one?

Well they unexpectedly expire if you don't expect them to. ;)

The BMC staff members working on transferring the data weren't aware of the imminent expiration of the domain name. Someone is looking into it. That's all I know. 

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Just now, Ryan Dahle said:

Well they unexpectedly expire if you don't expect them to. ;)

The BMC staff members working on transferring the data weren't aware of the imminent expiration of the domain name. Someone is looking into it. That's all I know. 

Which domain is the one that expired?  The bookofmormongeography.org domain is current, not expired until October.

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2 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

Which domain is the one that expired?  The bookofmormongeography.org domain is current, not expired until October.

As far as I can tell, that isn't it. It looks different than the BMAF website that I was familiar with. Perhaps it was updated without my knowledge, though. 

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27 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

Which domain is the one that expired?  The bookofmormongeography.org domain is current, not expired until October.

That promotes Western New York geography, not the same site.

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43 minutes ago, Calm said:

It is the bmaf.org site that expired from what I can tell.  Google says stuff is there that isn't.

This is what it looked like in January

https://web.archive.org/web/20190115015009/http://www.bmaf.org/

This might help a little:

https://web.archive.org/web/sitemap/BMaf.org

That good ol' wayback machine - I didn't think about it. It does seem to have archived the articles - at least the ones I tried were there.

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6 hours ago, Calm said:

Book of Mormon archaeology foundation iirc.

Close but no cigar....who likes those things anyway? Book of Mormon Archaeological Forum

33 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

I believe that it merged as an organization with Book of Mormon Central, which has a growing archive of articles.  Go to https://archive.bookofmormoncentral.org/ .  It has a search function.

Doesn't Ryan work for the BMC? He said BMC was unaware of the domain going inactive, and hadn't transferred all the articles.

Ryan Dahle's post

Maybe they can get them from archive.org if all else fails - if thttp://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/71682-bmaf/?do=findComment&comment=1209893784he forum owners don't give them up. If they were moving the data over, it seems they would have the rights to them.

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2 hours ago, RevTestament said:

Close but no cigar....who likes those things anyway? Book of Mormon Archaeological Forum

Doesn't Ryan work for the BMC? He said BMC was unaware of the domain going inactive, and hadn't transferred all the articles.

Ryan Dahle's post

Maybe they can get them from archive.org if all else fails - if thttp://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/71682-bmaf/?do=findComment&comment=1209893784he forum owners don't give them up. If they were moving the data over, it seems they would have the rights to them.

Ryan only recently went to work for BMC, and is too young to have a memory of BMAF.  Also, Ryan is not the archivist.  There are people at BMAF who know all the details, and who are sophisticated enough to obtain all the necessary digital documents which were on the BMAF website.  All is not lost.

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14 hours ago, Ryan Dahle said:

As far as I can tell, that isn't it. It looks different than the BMAF website that I was familiar with. Perhaps it was updated without my knowledge, though. 

 

13 hours ago, Calm said:

It is the bmaf.org site that expired from what I can tell.  Google says stuff is there that isn't.

This is what it looked like in January

https://web.archive.org/web/20190115015009/http://www.bmaf.org/

This might help a little:

https://web.archive.org/web/sitemap/BMaf.org

Are either of you associated with it in any kind of management role?  Or know who is? 

l checked up on the domain a bit further, and it turns out that it is not expired, but it appears that it did expire, and was renewed shortly afterwards.  When you navigate to it, the page currently shows a standard "parked domain", which is normal for an expired domain that has not yet been restored to full functioning.

Here is the Whois information for the domain:

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Note the current expiration date, 2020-03-05, and that the domain was updated on 2019-03-08.  That suggests that they let the domain expire, but when it was noticed, probably on 8 March, they renewed it.  But what happens to expired domains is that the name servers get switched to a default pair of servers which then show the site to be "parked".  Which is what is the status currently.  Note the Name Servers above.  I am a little bemused over the fact that BMAF is using the same domain registrar that I do, Dotster.com.  Anyway, simply renewing the domain after it expires is not enough. They have to also edit the domain record to restore the identity of the correct Name Servers -- which is how the Internet knows where to get the site's information. It usually takes 24-48 hours for the Name Server update to propagate throughout the world domain name system.

I work with this kind of thing as part of my business (as a publisher), so I know a little bit about what needs to be done.  Please, if you know who to contact at BMAF, let them know that they have one more step to take?  And if it is outside their comfort zone to take care of what needs to be done, and they don't have a technical person to help, I am willing to do what is needed.  It's not hard.

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I am just with FM and only know BoMC through using it for research, but have forwarded the info to a friend who is with them...not management, but it can't be that big....just in case Ryan is too busy to stop by today and doesn't see this.

Ryan looks like he is a researcher/writer, not management I am guessing.

https://bookofmormoncentral.org/users/ryan-dahle

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29 minutes ago, Calm said:

I am just with FM and only know BoMC through using it for research, but have forwarded the info to a friend who is with them...not management, but it can't be that big....just in case Ryan is too busy to stop by today and doesn't see this.

Ryan looks like he is a researcher/writer, not management I am guessing.

https://bookofmormoncentral.org/users/ryan-dahle

Sorry, I was busy. Yep. I pretty much do research. As soon as this topic came up, I notified our archivist who notified the higher ups. I'm sure they'll figure out what needs to be done. Thanks. 

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Book of Mormon Central shut down the BMAF.org website.

They owned it since 2014 or 2015, when Kirk Magleby the previous owner of BMAF, combined his efforts in 2015 with Jack Welch owner of Book of Mormon Central.

They were embarrassed, apparently, that it got out that the legal organization for BMC is BMAF, which promoted The Book of Mormon as a Mesoamerica text. A Mesoamerica text. Right.

That’s what it use to say on the BMAF.org site, that BMAF existed to support The Book of Mormon as a Mesoamerica text. So it was shut down to hide that phrase, so BMC can appear to be neutral on Book of Mormon geography, which BMC is not.

 https://bookofmormoncentral.org/about

“The legal organization behind Book of Mormon Central is the Book of Mormon Archaeological Forum, Inc., a 501 (c) 3 non-profit public charity chartered in the state of Utah in 2004. Book of Mormon Central is not an official part of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but rather an independent organization.”

Here are the organizations below, and their owners who promote The Book of Mormon as a Mesoamerica text, from a plagiarized RLDS Theory then ask for donations to promote the nonsense geography theory.

You’re suppossed to be ignorant members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and believe the Prophet Joseph Smith learned the geography of The Book of Mormon from a travel book published in 1841 written by John Lloyd Stephens about his adventures in Central America; the book was gifted to Joseph Smith in 1841 three years before he was murdered in 1844.

And everything Joseph Smith said in his lifetime before he received this travel book that had anything to with the geography of The Book of Mormon anywhere outside of Central America or Mesoamerica, was nothing but pure speculation by Joseph Smith. That is, he made it up.

Including that the Hill Cumorah being in New York is false.

Then these three organizations below plagiarized a Book of Mormon geography theory from RLDS scholars, namely one called Louise Edward Hills who published a book in 1917 and another in 1924 then started to promoting it as the truth.

The Book can be read here:

New Light on American Archeology; Louise Edward Hills, 1924, P.55:

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89058377359;view=1up;seq=58

Hills made up a geography theory restricted only to Mesoamerica.

He ignored Oliver Cowdery who wrote in Letter VII that it was a fact the final Jaredite and Nephite battles occurred near the Hill Cumorah in New York. here: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1834-1836/90

BMC also not only ignores but attacked Oliver Cowdery saying he’s not a reliable witness. Why? because it destroys the plagiarized RLDS geography theory that Book of Mormon events occurred strictly in Mesoamerica. Then as organizations thay have no purpose in life as they already copy Church articles and images and are no longer unique.

So Oliver Cowdery therefore also has to be an idiot and a speculator just like Joseph Smith when it comes to Book of Mormon geography.

If you accept that claim, then these Scholars who run these sites are the ones who “own” Book of Mormon geography and we must look to them and NOT the Prophets who restored the gospel of Jesus Christ and his Church.

Then these organizations beg for your donations, which is why they created 501(c)(3) Charitable Corporations which can receive tax-deductible donations and can also avoid paying Utah Sales Tax when they sell their products, such as books.

501(c)(3) :

That’s why BMAF.org was shut down, that is its web pages were removed.

Book of Mormon Central censors the words of Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery, to hide them from you, because if you’re ignorant, BMC and these other organizations win.

I won’t censor; BMC does.

So here is the link to their KnowLie that Oliver Cowdery can’t be trusted and is essentially a liar. I haven’t read the entire article because it’s nothing but dribble, written by members of The Church Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints trying to protect their 501(c)(3) business model, you know MONEY!

https://knowhy.bookofmormoncentral.org/knowhy/how-are-oliver-cowderys-messenger-and-advocate-letters-to-be-understood-and-used

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6 hours ago, Burnside said:

Book of Mormon Central censors the words of Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery, to hide them from you, because if you’re ignorant, BMC and these other organizations win.

Oh my. I've heard that some believe the prophets are infallible. Good luck with that one.

But I've never heard of anyone contending that people who never were Prophets, and who at one point were excommunicated,  are infallible.

That's got to be a first.

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