Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
Duncan

confession to Bishop or therapist and help/forgiveness

Recommended Posts

When I say confession I don't mean like major stuff like adultery or counterfeiting money (stuff that would affect your standing in the Church) but what really is the difference if you told a therapist something as opposed to talking to your Bishop about things? God gives forgiveness but does it matter if a Bishop told you how to overcome whatever vs. a therapist telling you?

Share this post


Link to post

Do you have any specifics in mind? The role of the two is very different, as are the goals.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post

When I took Trial Advocacy to get the fabulous-looking diploma I have from law school, the lawyer/adjunct professor who taught the class mentioned a case in which the prosecution overcame confidentiality of the Priest-Penitent Privilege to prosecute the guy who confessed something (don't remember exactly what; sorry) to his bishop.  When he finished telling us what had happened, he said, "Moral of the story?  Confess to God, not to your bishop!" :D :rofl: :D 

Which is, of course, completely irrelevant to the topic of the thread.  Sorry. :huh: :unknw: :huh: 

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post

Rpn,

What is the purpose of institutional forgiveness (as compared to forgiveness by God)?

Share this post


Link to post
On 3/16/2019 at 12:42 AM, Duncan said:

When I say confession I don't mean like major stuff like adultery or counterfeiting money (stuff that would affect your standing in the Church) but what really is the difference if you told a therapist something as opposed to talking to your Bishop about things? God gives forgiveness but does it matter if a Bishop told you how to overcome whatever vs. a therapist telling you?

Is there a situation where a therapist's solution would result in someone doing something he should confess to a bishop?

Share this post


Link to post
1 hour ago, Prof said:

Rpn,

What is the purpose of institutional forgiveness (as compared to forgiveness by God)?

For some serious sins discipline may be required to help the penitent come to grips with the sin including probation, disfellowshipment, or excommunication and that aids in seeking divine forgiveness. Most disciplinary councils I have attended are mostly teaching/ministering to the penitent on how to correct the error and repent.

Some sins also disqualify people from some or all callings, Priesthood advancements, Temple ordinances, and the like and the institutional forgiveness removes those restrictions.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
On 3/15/2019 at 10:42 PM, Duncan said:

When I say confession I don't mean like major stuff like adultery or counterfeiting money (stuff that would affect your standing in the Church) but what really is the difference if you told a therapist something as opposed to talking to your Bishop about things? God gives forgiveness but does it matter if a Bishop told you how to overcome whatever vs. a therapist telling you?

A bishop is a Judge in Israel, and exists to help you get closer with the Lord.  

A counselor is like a hiking guide: they exist to help you get where you want to go.

These are two different purposes, though they can work hand in hand, and frequently a bishop would recommend a counselor to help out with things too (if you're striving to follow the Lord).  If the problem a person is dealing with involves sin or anything else that's distancing you from the Lord, going to see the bishop is the thing to do (and maybe a counselor too).  Other things are just mental health issues and just require a counselor-- like depression, there's nothing sinful about having depression.  In those cases, a bishop or other church member could help out in a support role with ministering / blessings / being a friend, etc.  

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post

A therapist can't judge if you are worthy to participate in sacred ordinances.  

A bishop can't judge without confession. 

Share this post


Link to post
1 hour ago, CV75 said:

Is there a situation where a therapist's solution would result in someone doing something he should confess to a bishop?

we were discussing this awhile back just after Church, as in if the bishop and therapist's aim was for you to overcome something (not serious) or help you feel better about yourself what really is the difference? Let's take having the ocassional coffee or you vape every once in a while, it could be habit or a bad habit but not really anything that would affect your membership but not necessarily healthy either or maybe you are having a 2 litre a day Pepsi habit

Share this post


Link to post
14 minutes ago, Duncan said:

we were discussing this awhile back just after Church, as in if the bishop and therapist's aim was for you to overcome something (not serious) or help you feel better about yourself what really is the difference? Let's take having the ocassional coffee or you vape every once in a while, it could be habit or a bad habit but not really anything that would affect your membership but not necessarily healthy either or maybe you are having a 2 litre a day Pepsi habit

I think it depends on who you think is more qualified, who you have more faith in, whether or how much you want to break the habit/behavior, how much spiritual power or secular secular technique is appropriate to focus on the issue, etc.Hopefully the therapist or the bishop would know whether and when to refer you to the other, or how to help you decide.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Sign in to follow this  
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×
×
  • Create New...