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9 minutes ago, CV75 said:

Maybe that doesn't count because I weighed and measured his invitation according to the light I already possessed, and I didn’t interpret him as directing me to go one a mission earlier.

Yet some are so quick to jump on that, go the other direction, pass judgment on the leader, and publish it to the world. That's what I don't understand.

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5 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

When I was in kindergarten, i recall my parents sitting me down and explaining that the prophet said no more Coke.  I was a big deal to us because my grandfather was a coke bottler.  At that age I referred to coke as The Devils Drink.  When I became an adult I saw it with different eyes.  It felt to me like an opinion. 

At girls camp 5 years ago several yw were playing face cards in their tent and the camp director stormed in and raised Cain over it.  Girls were crying and whatnot... the stake presidency counselor was fortunately there and Told the director to stand down. I don’t think I had ever followed that directive, but evidently The Director saw it differently. 

Our stake president  10 years ago came to our ward and taught us about sexual sin.  He directed us to check our partners cell phones regularly for indescretions and to discontinue all youth sleepovers.   In my house, we saw these directives as opinions and we do what works for  us. 

I was told by someone that they had had a spiritual visitation that suggested another child wanted to come into our family.  Nope.  

My husband was recently asked to fill a calling at church that he is literally unqualified for.  The person calling him told him he’d been inspired to call my husband.  He’d have been embarrassed if my husband had told him the reality of his qualifications.  

 

I really don’t tolerate manipulation.  I’m sensitive to it, and it makes me angry.  Sometimes I can tell immediately when people want something so they credit God with the directive, and I dislike that.  Sometimes I think people have the best of intentions but can’t discern between Gods direction and their own.  And sometimes it’s  God thing.  I sometimes can’t tell without study and prayer.  

But I Suspect there are many who take every word from every (?) leader as Gods word. ****I do not have facts to back, this is opinion and personal experience ****.  

Which of these directives did you actually have to weigh and measure?

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1 minute ago, Bernard Gui said:

Yet some are so quick to jump on that, pass judgment on the leader, and publish it to the world. That's what I don't understand.

He was only doing his job, and even as a new member, I could see that.

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1 minute ago, CV75 said:

He was only doing his job, and even as a new member, I could see that.

Of course. Thanks for sharing this. I have had similar experiences. However, I did heed my bishop's admonition to marry Sister Gui. That worked out well.

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1 hour ago, Bernard Gui said:

Speaking as one of those defenders, I don't feel that disagreeing with an Authority gives me license to marginalize or demean them.

Of course there are some things with which I disagree, some things that are their opinions, some things that need correction, and even some things that may be deeper knowledge of which we have yet to learn. In any case, I don't feel a need to make them offenders for a word because I find myself in disagreement.

Thank you for responding.  I too think it’s not ok to degrade or demean- anyone, for that matter.  

This site is pretty fairly respectful compared to the others I passed by to get here, but opinion on that is obviously subjective and relative. 

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3 hours ago, CV75 said:

Which of these directives did you actually have to weigh and measure?

Our  5 kids who have children have made the no-sleep-overs rule because of some very unfortunate occurrences. I wish we had enforced it.

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6 hours ago, Tacenda said:

Wow!! You are doing it right, sounds like.

I am over on the reddit board occasionally, and one post was so sad. This boy grew up with a dad that was so abusive mentally. His dad had become a member at an older age and wanted to raise his family by the church's handbook for a missionary, of all things. This guy went on to explain that his father didn't tell them that, he figured it out when he read the manual for missionaries when he was about to embark on putting his papers in. He said his growing up years were horrendous. His dad was so worried that any of his kids would make a bad choice that he wouldn't let them. He would go through their things in their rooms constantly but make it look like he hadn't, he would have these rules for everything. He wouldn't let them have certain friends, and it was tough because they lived where there weren't many LDS so the options were slim that he'd find a friend that his dad would approve of. They were limited to very few shows to watch, even LDS ones. No caffeine, they weren't allowed to wear regular clothes on Sunday, scripture reading only, or other things like that. There was to be no loud laughter, everything was to the extreme. The father let them have cell phones but they hadn't known at first that he put GPS trackers on them so he'd know where they were at all times. They figured it out once they'd seen their dad in places wherever they would be. Then back to the mission manual, this guy read over it and he realized his dad raised the kids by this manual from at a young age! This guy turned to porn and then that turned into a cyclicle nightmare. He said he'd sneak out at night and go to a bridge near his home that was over a highway and lean over as far as possible and imagine himself just letting go, he was so depressed. He said he and his father were never close, and that his dad just wanted that perfect looking family. There's much more to the story, I don't want to hog all your time, but your post made me think of it.

So I see where people can take the religion too far. But sounds like you haven't and you take it according to your own dictates!! :)

Yes, that is a good example of what someone thought was the gospel.  A lot of my "stuff" came from childhood too.  Thankfully I get my whole life and beyond to figure it out :).

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3 hours ago, Bernard Gui said:

Our  5 kids who have children have made the no-sleep-overs rule because of some very unfortunate occurrences. I wish we had enforced it.

Sometimes what is suggested we do is to protect others as well as ourselves and our own. For example, the instruction to use the right hand in some wards or persons may build needed unity among those who hear it, or strengthen others' feeble knees for those who observe and follow. Even if it is an instructive opinion.

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4 hours ago, CV75 said:

Sometimes what is suggested we do is to protect others as well as ourselves and our own. For example, the instruction to use the right hand in some wards or persons may build needed unity among those who hear it, or strengthen others' feeble knees for those who observe and follow. Even if it is an instructive opinion.

I hadn’t thought off it that way.

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