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Just got an email from the Bishop that they are going to have someone record what people say in classes.

 

what do you think about this, is it even legal?

 

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Brothers and Sisters,

The (Blank) Ward is going to be utilizing different resources over the coming weeks as we try to dial in an efficient and effective way to live caption our meetings. Today in our Sacrament and Gospel Doctrine classes, Sister (blank) will be capturing as much as she can of what is said within the following document. If you click this link, you should be prompted to "request access" to this document so you can follow along as she types. Please come early today to Sacrament meeting if you would like to make sure the wrinkles are ironed out before we start.

 

the document is a google app.

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Taking notes, not an audio recording, right?

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Yes, but shared over the internet.

 

i have reading along quit and have found that transcriptions is not flawless and full of problems,

just like the notes from Joseph smith days.

 

so far it makes it easier to see the errors in people’s comments.

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Are names attached?

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Our stake conference meetings are recorded and made available to our stake 

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45 minutes ago, Calm said:

Are names attached?

Yes

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1 hour ago, Doctrine 612 said:

Yes

If that occurs, I would think permission should have been asked, rather than assumed.  You should discuss your concerns with your leaders, imo.  It might be legal, but not polite.

At the very least a big disclaimer (at the beginning so more likely read) should be put on it that it might not accurately report what was said and it should not be considered as anything but an aid to help discussion in class or whatever the purpose is.

Perhaps initials could be used instead of names in case someone not in the ward comes across them.  I get the desire for names so people can correct their own comments ( and point out to others if they think they have been misunderstood) if something is recorded incorrectly.

Add-on:  if live streamed, not sure how it can be corrected afterwards since there would be no afterwards.

Error rate has to be huge.

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Our sacrament meetings are recorded, just once a month though, for people who live in remote areas, so its no problem here. I can see them doing it for that reason

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2 hours ago, Doctrine 612 said:

Just got an email from the Bishop that they are going to have someone record what people say in classes.

 

what do you think about this, is it even legal?

 

Email

 

Brothers and Sisters,

The (Blank) Ward is going to be utilizing different resources over the coming weeks as we try to dial in an efficient and effective way to live caption our meetings. Today in our Sacrament and Gospel Doctrine classes, Sister (blank) will be capturing as much as she can of what is said within the following document. If you click this link, you should be prompted to "request access" to this document so you can follow along as she types. Please come early today to Sacrament meeting if you would like to make sure the wrinkles are ironed out before we start.

 

the document is a google app.

Why is your ward doing this?

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21 minutes ago, Calm said:

If that occurs, I would think permission should have been asked, rather than assumed.  You should discuss your concerns with your leaders, imo.  It might be legal, but not polite.

At the very least a big disclaimer (at the top so more likely read) should be put on it that it might not accurately report what was said and it should not be considered as anything but an aid to help discussion in class or whatever the purpose is.

Perhaps initials could be used instead of names.  I get the desire for names so people can correct their own comments ( and point out to others if they think they have been misunderstood) if something is recorded incorrectly.

 

I would think this would stifle participation. I can see not wanting personal stories/anecdotes not being written down. I would think they should ask permission. Who know what would be considered politically incorrect in 40 years?

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They did this at one of my old wards a few years ago.  It was for a few ward members who couldn't come to church, so they could feel like they were still a part of church.

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2 hours ago, Doctrine 612 said:

Just got an email from the Bishop that they are going to have someone record what people say in classes.

 

what do you think about this, is it even legal?

 

Email

 

Brothers and Sisters,

The (Blank) Ward is going to be utilizing different resources over the coming weeks as we try to dial in an efficient and effective way to live caption our meetings. Today in our Sacrament and Gospel Doctrine classes, Sister (blank) will be capturing as much as she can of what is said within the following document. If you click this link, you should be prompted to "request access" to this document so you can follow along as she types. Please come early today to Sacrament meeting if you would like to make sure the wrinkles are ironed out before we start.

 

the document is a google app.

 

26 minutes ago, Duncan said:

Our sacrament meetings are recorded, just once a month though, for people who live in remote areas, so its no problem here. I can see them doing it for that reason

Here's  statement from the church on this.

Recording
The policy on photography and video recording in chapels does not apply to streaming events, such as stake conference. It is acceptable to stream events using Meetinghouse Webcast technology; however, stake technology specialists should ensure that events originating in the chapel are not recorded. An event that includes the participation of a General Authority should also never be recorded. 

Photographs, Video Recordings, and Broadcasts in Chapels
Taking photographs or making video recordings in chapels is not permitted. Meetings and other events that are held in the chapel may not be broadcast over the Internet or by any other means

For classes
If a person cannot participate in a meeting, class, or activity, leaders and teachers may consult with the family about how to meet his or her needs. The stake president or bishop may approve organizing special classes or programs for members with disabilities (see “Organizing Special Classes, Programs, or Units” below). If a person is not able to attend Church meetings, printed materials or recordings of lessons and talks may be provided.

So it sounds like it is OK to make recordings in classes, unless of course the class is in the chapel. 
Not sure how the stake or ward that records the meetings in the chapel is getting around the not recording in the chapel rule, although it is OK to stream the meeting to another location.

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Just now, JAHS said:

 

Here's  statement from the church on this.

Recording
The policy on photography and video recording in chapels does not apply to streaming events, such as stake conference. It is acceptable to stream events using Meetinghouse Webcast technology; however, stake technology specialists should ensure that events originating in the chapel are not recorded. An event that includes the participation of a General Authority should also never be recorded. 

For classes
If a person cannot participate in a meeting, class, or activity, leaders and teachers may consult with the family about how to meet his or her needs. The stake president or bishop may approve organizing special classes or programs for members with disabilities (see “Organizing Special Classes, Programs, or Units” below). If a person is not able to attend Church meetings, printed materials or recordings of lessons and talks may be provided.

So it sounds like it is OK to make recordings in classes, unless of course the class is in the chapel. 
Not sure how the stake or ward that records the meetings in the chapel is getting around the not recording in the chapel rule, although it is OK to stream the meeting to another location.

My bishopric bro. just said, they are live streams, but not kept/recorded anywhere and they start streaming after the sacrament is administered

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9 minutes ago, Duncan said:

My bishopric bro. just said, they are live streams, but not kept/recorded anywhere and they start streaming after the sacrament is administered

I also added this to my post from the church handbook :
Meetings and other events that are held in the chapel may not be broadcast over the Internet or by any other means

I think the OK to stream only applies to streaming to other parts of the building. Can you stream without broadcasting or using the internet?

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36 minutes ago, bsjkki said:

I would think this would stifle participation. I can see not wanting personal stories/anecdotes not being written down. I would think they should ask permission. Who know what would be considered politically incorrect in 40 years?

As someone who doesn't get to Church much, I can understand wanting to picture who says what if this is for people who cannot attend.  Since the ward got split and combined, I don't feel as at home as I once did and names would help me get to know people better.  However, the forever bit also bothers me, especially if not proofed by each before being published.  So at most I would do initials so people can easily find their own comments to correct if they want.  I can see a debate over who said something if no identifiers are included and someone being shocked at an edit because someone else thought they had said it, but it was poorly recorded.

Add-on:  I spaced on the live streaming and was thinking this was only text (the google doc took me there I think).  As someone who doesn't know many people in my current ward, rather than names being attached (if this were even permissible), a better idea imo, would be to make a class photo and pass that out with the names and then leave off names when live streaming.

But as far as I know, it is a against church rules...even audio was a problem for one ward I know of.

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1 minute ago, JAHS said:

I also added this to my post from the church handbook :
Meetings and other events that are held in the chapel may not be broadcast over the Internet or by any other means

I think the OK to stream only applies to streaming to other parts of the building. Can you stream without broadcasting or using the internet?

it's not on the internet, like facebook or social media but I do know that all handheld devices are shut off during the broadcast. I think it's satellite to whoever receives it.

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36 minutes ago, bluebell said:

They did this at one of my old wards a few years ago.  It was for a few ward members who couldn't come to church, so they could feel like they were still a part of church.

If they are live streaming and the email is sent to those who will be there in the Sacrament meeting being recorded as opposed to those at home, the only thing I can think of is maybe they have members who don't hear so well?

The email is not clear.

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11 minutes ago, Duncan said:

it's not on the internet, like facebook or social media but I do know that all handheld devices are shut off during the broadcast. I think it's satellite to whoever receives it.

Since theywould have to use dog sled to get to Church so often, exceptions should be made for those Canadians.  :P 

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Many churches record and broadcast their services - it is nice for those who are sick, or otherwise are unable to attend.  Also for investigators, so they can log in and see what the services are like.  There is nothing to hide so...?? why not record it?  

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7 minutes ago, changed said:

Many churches record and broadcast their services - it is nice for those who are sick, or otherwise are unable to attend.  Also for investigators, so they can log in and see what the services are like.  There is nothing to hide so...?? why not record it?  

When you have trained professionals giving the talks, makes sense to record.  When lay members are speaking, I think it should be left up to the individual.  Some people don't like being recorded...some it may be anxiety and it is hard enough speaking without being worried it is being recorded and can be seen by anyone (mistakes are likely to be forgotten if not recorded so not a big deal; when recorded, stuttering or other awkwardness gets inflated as what will be now remembered); some people have good reason not to want to be recorded (stalking, for example).

People who grew up before cell phones or even video cameras may feel very differently about being recorded than younger members.

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1 minute ago, changed said:

Many churches record and broadcast their services - it is nice for those who are sick, or otherwise are unable to attend.  Also for investigators, so they can log in and see what the services are like.  There is nothing to hide so...?? why not record it?  

I know the BYU Channel plays a recorded Sacrament meeting every Sunday (without the sacrament) called Worship Service.. They were recorded several years ago in an actual ward chapel and they play them over and over again on the Byu Channel. When my wife was confined to bed she would watch them each Sunday. 

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3 hours ago, ksfisher said:

Why is your ward doing this?

They said for some of the hearing impaired.

 

I don’t mind people making notes, I have had a few people ask me after my lesson for my notes.

 

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2 hours ago, changed said:

Many churches record and broadcast their services - it is nice for those who are sick, or otherwise are unable to attend.  Also for investigators, so they can log in and see what the services are like.  There is nothing to hide so...?? why not record it?  

I would worry about how effectively the Gospel Doctrine class I teach could be conveyed by recording or by transcription. A Sacrament meeting would make a little more sense because it is one-sided and not interactive but I tend to be freewheeling when I speak there and I would be more reticent about sharing personal experiences and even some sacred things with the congregation if I was aware I was being recorded and preserved. I would not mind it being sent to a homebound member once but I would be a little worried if it was continually available for years.

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On 2/3/2019 at 8:46 PM, The Nehor said:

I would worry about how effectively the Gospel Doctrine class I teach could be conveyed by recording or by transcription. A Sacrament meeting would make a little more sense because it is one-sided and not interactive but I tend to be freewheeling when I speak there and I would be more reticent about sharing personal experiences and even some sacred things with the congregation if I was aware I was being recorded and preserved. I would not mind it being sent to a homebound member once but I would be a little worried if it was continually available for years.

My parents are not LDS - they do hold religious study groups though, in which half show up and half call in.  It works well for them.

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On 2/3/2019 at 5:06 PM, Calm said:

When you have trained professionals giving the talks, makes sense to record.  When lay members are speaking, I think it should be left up to the individual.  Some people don't like being recorded...some it may be anxiety and it is hard enough speaking without being worried it is being recorded and can be seen by anyone (mistakes are likely to be forgotten if not recorded so not a big deal; when recorded, stuttering or other awkwardness gets inflated as what will be now remembered); some people have good reason not to want to be recorded (stalking, for example).

People who grew up before cell phones or even video cameras may feel very differently about being recorded than younger members.

Years ago many wards recorded RS on cassette tape and the tape was given to shut ins. It never even phased me.

Now that everything can be spread across the world in a number of seconds and I have seen so many, very heavy, out of context reactions it can mean a huge difference from those early cassette tapes. Lives have been ruined over simple mistakes people make or misunderstandings of what they say. 

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