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On 1/30/2019 at 12:02 AM, MustardSeed said:

Back to topic, I was very surprised to learn of my parents request for cremation.  They are still alive but I had been under the impression that cremation was frowned upon and my folks are stalwarts.  But burials are expensive and take up a lot of earths real estate so I’m ok with cremation, I’ll likely request the same.  

My dad just requested to be cremated.  He can be buried for free at a national cemetery.  He says the older he gets the more he likes the idea. 

I have always wanted to be cremated. Dad was against it when I was younger. It shocked me when he said he wanted to be cremated.  

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12 hours ago, Bane said:

I buried my first wife with her temple veil over her face.  It felt right to me somehow.  I don't understand why this is being made optional now.

If I outlive my second wife (unlikely), I'll do the same with her.

What about your wife’s preferences on the matter? 

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6 minutes ago, cherryTreez said:

My dad just requested to be cremated.  He can be buried for free at a national cemetery.  He says the older he gets the more he likes the idea. 

I have always wanted to be cremated. Dad was against it when I was younger. It shocked me when he said he wanted to be cremated.  

Yes, I was shocked too.  My dad has always declared “put me in a pine box and play rock music at my funeral”.  This was a firm departure.  

I’ll do as he wishes. 

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14 hours ago, JLHPROF said:

The bigger question that nobody ever seems to ask is what does God actually think (assuming he has a position on the topic).

How do you know no one ever asks?  Maybe they just don't feel it appropriate to impose their personal experience of revelation for themselves on others.

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9 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

People who think in terms of black and white find great comfort and stability in religion. That is simply a fact.  

Not everyone in religion is black and white.  Also a fact. 

These two groups have very different relationships with religion, and with God.  Neither is all right or all wrong.  I guess you can see by this statement that I am not black and white. I don’t agree with black and white thinking in general but I know it exists and I also understand the roots of it.  

There is room in the inn for both, but we are not gonna agree on what to eat for dinner. 

I suspect from what I have seen most people are a mix, in many ways they are not black and white, in others they are...sometimes very.

I don't think I have ever met someone who approached life in a completely flexible way.  For one thing, exploring possibilities and adapting to all variations of our experiences takes a massive amount of time.  One needs to pick and choose what is important to focus on and what can be taken care of by establishing simple habits.

And the one person I think of most black and white, my grandma, was willing to try new things if she saw it as benefiting us, such as going to Godspell or in a roller coaster. Another when he became a bishop told a new convert being an astrologer was okay as long as one used it for personal exploration as opposed to attempting to predict the future.  Black and white thinkers (or at least the ones we imagine as black and white) con be very surprising at times, especially when motivated by love.

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I Want a Closed-Casket Funeral. -- However, toward the end of the service, please have the organist play “Pop Goes the Weasel” repeatedly until everyone in attendance is staring at my coffin with silent, horrified anticipation.

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4 hours ago, Gray said:

In which case maybe we should all just be buried in the back yard, no embalming, no casket. Actually that doesn't sound bad. I suppose that would creep out the buyers if your family sells the property, though

That would be ok with me but It really could be dangerous for spreading disease contaminating, the water table etc. That's why they require concrete liners etc, and regulate it. But who knows that might be a smoke screen perpetuated by the industry

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2 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

Yes, I was shocked too.  My dad has always declared “put me in a pine box and play rock music at my funeral”.  This was a firm departure.  

I’ll do as he wishes. 

When I was picking out my coffin, I was amazed that the "pine box" coffins were actually among the most expensive, and were beautiful... I chose one just a step above a cardboard box 😉 since I'm being shipped to So Calif to be buried with my dh... I've prepaid all my costs... I'm not having a funeral, and just the costs (which I locked in in 2005) for basically preparing me here for shipping, and receiving/burying me in So Cal totaled $4400.  That's for no funeral, no flowers, etc etc... just the bare basics.  And that was in 2005 when I took out my policy that locked in the costs.  Add to that the 1998 burial plot cost of $2500, which I already own because of dh, and you have a cost of $6900 for no funeral.   I can imagine what it would cost today... so I recommend a reputable company that offers prepaid policies against continuing rising costs, whether traditional or cremation...

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3 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

Yes, I was shocked too.  My dad has always declared “put me in a pine box and play rock music at my funeral”.  This was a firm departure.  

I’ll do as he wishes. 

dad wanted a plain pine box, two pillows and a quilt.  He wants a big roast. No fussy funeral, no churchy stuff, lots of food, good friends and stories of dad.

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6 hours ago, Gray said:

In which case maybe we should all just be buried in the back yard, no embalming, no casket. Actually that doesn't sound bad. I suppose that would creep out the buyers if your family sells the property, though

Good grief!  Can you imagine if the new owners decided to put a swimming pool in the backyard?! 🤣

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When someone asks what I want when I die, I somberly reply that I am in favor of the soylent green  approach to death.

 

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1 hour ago, ttribe said:

Good grief!  Can you imagine if the new owners decided to put a swimming pool in the backyard?! 🤣

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On 1/30/2019 at 7:14 AM, mfbukowski said:

Dunno really.

I think it's like the code of the universe, we eat living things and should in turn feed them, even it is only worms or trees or petunias.

It's more a feeling than anything reasoned.

As a kid, I would lay on the grass under a tree, just thinking, smelling the earth,  hearing the bees buzzing, feeling the sun, and sometimes I wanted to just melt into it all.

It was more about the process of "melting" rather than being instantly atomized. :)

Then you would really love this classic cowboy poem. Don’t take it personally..... 😉😁

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A former bishop used to recite this at every ward talent show...but he would insert the name of one of the members in the place of the “pal“ Slim. Always got a standing ovation!

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A few years back I filled out the paperwork to donate my body to a forensics body farm in my state. My panthiest leanings have contributed to my desire for a more natural recycling.  In addition,  they will pick up and transport my body free of charge,  eliminating the financial stress around death for my wife and children. 

However,  I'm also looking into the possibility of a natural (no coffin) burial in some woods on our farm,  or being composted and used on the farm.  At this point,  my wife feels a little uneasy about the last option. 

It's nice to see that more options are being discussed again.  There are a lot of us who have serous misgivings about burying embalmed bodies in sealed caskets. 

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Part of a possible problem with burying bodies may be state laws. Things may have changed since I took a death and dying class 25 years ago, but at that time some states required a vault to be buried in even if you were not buried in a casket. There were also some laws about transporting bodies across state lines needing to be embalmed. 

So if you are looking at being buried in any kind of a "natural" way it would be good to see what your state laws are.

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Will a person's final judgment be affected by burial attire?

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2 hours ago, Thinking said:

Will a person's final judgment be affected by burial attire?

No.  And yes.

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On 2/1/2019 at 1:25 PM, Calm said:

That is so condescending.

And so very wrong in my experience.

I didn't mean all members, I'm talking about what you said in your comment about worrying if you should have veiled or something like that. Apologize for the way I worded it.

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2 hours ago, Tacenda said:

I didn't mean all members, I'm talking about what you said in your comment about worrying if you should have veiled or something like that. Apologize for the way I worded it.

Well, now you don’t need to be concerned because it is clear it is the choice of the members.

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15 hours ago, JLHPROF said:

No.  And yes.

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On 2/2/2019 at 5:40 AM, cacheman said:

However,  I'm also looking into the possibility of a natural (no coffin) burial in some woods on our farm,  or being composted and used on the farm.  At this point,  my wife feels a little uneasy about the last option. 

 

Who will be 'turning the compost pile"?

On a side note, I just buried my brother last year at a VA Cemetery for $2400 complete (pick up, embalming, casket, delivery to National Cemetery). If you are a Vet, that's the route to go. Cremation would have been cheaper but he was opposed to that. Of course he never saved a dime for the burial so I ended up paying for it. No funeral but a very nice Military honors at the cemetery

 

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