Hamba Tuhan Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Bernard Gui said: Not sure, but isn't it the responsibility of the deacon's quorum president to assign those who pass the sacrament? Yes! And in the absence of a deacons quorum, that responsibility reverts to the presidency of the Aaronic Priesthood, which exists even in a singles ward. People should not be volunteering or assigning themselves priesthood duties such as this. 2 Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bernard Gui said: Baby blessings and similar things are what bond us together as a community. I agree — which is why I regret a trend toward some couples pushing for having their babies blessed at home on a day other than Sunday to accommodate extended family. Not only does it impose on the bishop, but it deprives the ward of what ought to be a communal experience. I can see an occasional accommodation being made for extenuating circumstances. But it seems to be almost a growing fad. Edited January 7, 2019 by Scott Lloyd 1 Link to comment
Hamba Tuhan Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Just now, Scott Lloyd said: I agree — which is why I regret a trend toward some couples pushing toward having their babies blessed at home on a day other than Sunday to accommodate extended family ... it seems to be almost a growing fad. I've literally never once seen this anywhere I've lived. 1 Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, hope_for_things said: Our Priesthood classes consist of reviewing recent conference talks these days. Not much in the way of scriptures. I really don't think that Mormons know how to really study scriptures. We go about everything in a backwards way, like choosing a concept that we want to teach, and then finding passages that we think support this concept. Rather than learning from the complexity of the scriptures and trying to understand the context and intent of the original authors, we're essentially just using scripture to support an idea that is already pre-packaged. The scriptures function as authoritative weight to support an already developed idea. Scriptures were made for man, not vise versa. And the scriptures mean what prophets and apostles, acting in the authority of their callings and under divine inspiration, say they mean. Edited January 7, 2019 by Scott Lloyd Link to comment
Hamba Tuhan Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: Sctiptures were madd for man, not vise versa. He's just upset that we don't think the scriptures teach what he wants them to teach. 2 Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said: I've literally never once seen this anywhere I've lived. Hopefully, for the sake of the saints there, it never spreads to your neck of the woods. But when it happens, the congregation is apt never to hear about it, because there is never a general announcement made that “Brother and Sister So-and-so had their baby blessed at home last Saturday.” Edited January 7, 2019 by Scott Lloyd Link to comment
Hamba Tuhan Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: But when it happens, the congregation is apt never to hear about it, because there is never a general announcement made that “Brother and Sister So-and-so had their baby blessed at home last Saturday.” Yeah, but we know when people have babies. Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Just now, Hamba Tuhan said: Yeah, but we know when people have babies. But not everyone is apt to connect the dots. Link to comment
Hamba Tuhan Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Scott Lloyd said: But not everyone is apt to connect the dots. I think we do. Everyone looks forward to a ward family's baby blessing. When a family shows up at church with a newborn, everyone asks when the blessing will be. Link to comment
bluebell Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 19 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said: I've literally never once seen this anywhere I've lived. It happens quite a bit in the states. It's allowed, per the handbook. Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said: I think we do. Everyone looks forward to a ward family's baby blessing. When a family shows up at church with a newborn, everyone asks when the blessing will be. I’m afraid not every ward has that sort of cohesiveness — maybe because we do things like tolerating a trend of couples having their babies blessed outside of sacrament meeting. Link to comment
The Nehor Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: I’m afraid not every ward has that sort of cohesiveness — maybe because we do things like tolerating a trend of couples having their babies blessed outside of sacrament meeting. I prefer a baby blessing at home. For example my brother was visiting my parents for Thanksgiving last year and decided to bless the baby here because a lot of the family is here but almost no one in that ward knew who my brother is beyond being my father’s son and no one he wanted to invite into the circle from the ward. It was easier for his siblings and their spouses to come because they did not have to bail on their responsibilities in their own ward. I like parents having the option to choose. For many it makes sense. We had a baby blessing on Sunday and he requested the Bishopric and a friend in the ward to make up the circle as he did not have family in town. That made sense. Edit: Now if people are making the “out of church” blessings into a big party/ production I could see discouraging that. I was recently introduced to the idea that some member buy special clothing for the infant and thought that was ridiculous. What will those Saints in Utah think up next? Edited January 8, 2019 by The Nehor 3 Link to comment
Calm Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Bernard Gui said: Not sure, but isn't it the responsibility of the deacon's quorum president to assign those who pass the sacrament? If they don’t have deacons, that would be a problem. Link to comment
Calm Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hamba Tuhan said: I've literally never once seen this anywhere I've lived. Same here in semi rural utahUtah though I may have missed some. Edited January 8, 2019 by Calm Link to comment
The Nehor Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Hamba Tuhan said: I've literally never once seen this anywhere I've lived. Hooray, us hick Saints in Texas are finally pioneering something. I hear it is a thing in some areas of California too. Funny that those two states would agree on anything. Link to comment
hope_for_things Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 59 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: Scriptures were made for man, not vise versa. And the scriptures mean what prophets and apostles, acting in the authority of their callings and under divine inspiration, say they mean. I think scriptures represent how people in the past lives their lives and their concepts about God. While learning what a modern church leader thinks about scripture might have some value, I see this approach as missing so much more. Link to comment
The Nehor Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, hope_for_things said: I think scriptures represent how people in the past lives their lives and their concepts about God. While learning what a modern church leader thinks about scripture might have some value, I see this approach as missing so much more. Indeed, one should find out what God thinks too. Edited January 8, 2019 by The Nehor 2 Link to comment
Hamba Tuhan Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, Calm said: If they don’t have deacons, that would be a problem. It's not a problem specifically because wards are organised along the lines of the Aaronic Priesthood, with ward leadership always being within that priesthood. Bishop, after all, is an office in the Aaronic Priesthood. When I was YM president, we made sure we got this right: in the absence of a member of the deacons quorum presidency or teachers quorum presidency, the bishopric exercise those duties in their callings as presidency of the Aaronic Priesthood since the sacrament belongs to that priesthood. 2 Link to comment
Calm Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Scott Lloyd said: I’m afraid not every ward has that sort of cohesiveness — maybe because we do things like tolerating a trend of couples having their babies blessed outside of sacrament meeting. You can make up for it by having linger longers with the kids included 4 Link to comment
Calm Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Scott Lloyd said: Hopefully, for the sake of the saints there, it never spreads to your neck of the woods. But when it happens, the congregation is apt never to hear about it, because there is never a general announcement made that “Brother and Sister So-and-so had their baby blessed at home last Saturday.” So make an announcement 1 Link to comment
Hamba Tuhan Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 13 minutes ago, Calm said: You can make up for it by having linger longers with the kids included Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, hope_for_things said: I think scriptures represent how people in the past lives their lives and their concepts about God. While learning what a modern church leader thinks about scripture might have some value, I see this approach as missing so much more. I used the words “acting under divine inspiration” deliberately. They have significance. In other words, it’s not just a matter of “what a modern Chutch leader thinks about scripture.” It’s what apostles and prophets are inspired to say when moved upon by the Holy Ghost.” Edited January 8, 2019 by Scott Lloyd Link to comment
Bernard Gui Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 3 hours ago, Calm said: If they don’t have deacons, that would be a problem. Teachers Quorum president Link to comment
Bernard Gui Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 5 hours ago, bluebell said: Does that mean that rowdiness is inappropriate on the Sabbath, no matter where someone is? That would be up to the individual to decide. President Nelson said this in 2015... Quote Not pursuing your “own pleasure” on the Sabbath requires self-discipline. You may have to deny yourself of something you might like. If you choose to delight yourself in the Lord, you will not permit yourself to treat it as any other day. Routine and recreational activities can be done some other time. 1 Link to comment
Hamba Tuhan Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 9 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said: Teachers Quorum president A singles ward won't have one of those, either. But it doesn't matter because there is always a priests quorum president/president of the Aaronic Priesthood. Link to comment
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